Is cdnuts a fraud?

[pvdl]

UPDATE, 13th of January 2018:

Cdnuts is a fraud. To be more specific he is a health scammer. A health scammer has a typical modus operandi: He looks for a (rare) disease whose mechanisms are not known yet. A health scammer will then falsely claim that he suffered and recovered from this disease and that he knows how to cure it. He will built an expensive protocol around that claim that is meant to fraudulently enrich himself. The health scammer will engage in high pressure selling tactics and forbid any questioning of his story or protocol. If he is not careful his different online personas will reveal that he is not only a fraud but also lying about every detail of his made up story.

That cdnuts is such a health scammer reaches the category beyond reasonable doubt. Here is why:

1. Cdnuts claims that he can cure every (!!!) PFS victim, despite the foundation and scientists stating that there is no (known) cure. Anecdotal evidence also strongly suggests that there is no (known) cure: Of all registered members on propeciahelp.com only 0.7% have posted a recovery story in the recovery section. If a person claims that he can cure everyone it is a telltale sign that he is a health scammer.

2. Cdnuts wants you to buy 21 (!!!) different herbs for no possible reason other than to enrich himself. No genuine homebrewer would suggest buying 21 herbs and even the company that sells the herbs has confirmed via email that they believe the amount is totally unnecessary. A protocol with an absurd number of supplements, that no reasonable person would suggest even if he believed in supplementation, is another telltale sign that we are dealing with a health scammer.

3. Cdnuts earns money by you clicking on lucrative affiliate marketing links on his website that redirect you to http://www.lostempireherbs.com. Lostempireherbs.com has confirmed via email that cdnuts is their affiliate earning a hefty 30% lifetime commission.

4. His website, http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com, sounds like the typical online health scam. He has set up his website to ensure that you click on an affiliate marketing link for each herb separately to guarantee maximum income.

5. Cdnuts did not disclose that he is the affiliate of lostempireherbs.com. Not disclosing this fact is another telltale sign that we are dealing with a health scammer.

6. The upfront costs of his herb protocol exceeds 1000 dollars.

7. Cdnuts has posted links to scammy sounding websites looking to sell you stuff since registering on propeciahelp.com back in 2008! This strongly suggest that he never had PFS and instead was looking to profit off of this community. Ask yourself the following question: What legitimate sufferer would post links to online health scams like (supposedly) testosterone raising penis rings?

8. Cdnuts lied, when he claimed on propeciahelp.com that he was recovering from PFS naturally back in 2008/2009 as he was active on a fitness forum during the same time period, where he wrote that he was on a “lifetime” Testosterone Replacement Therapy. Less sophisticated health scammers will fail to hide their differing online personas.

9. Cdnuts claimed on the same fitness forum that he was hypogondal in his early twenties and thus suffering from symptoms like low libido, depression and fatique. He has stated on propeciahelp.com that he consumed finasteride from age 25 to age 29, i.e. his late twenties. If we are to believe cdnuts statements, he was hypogondal long before he ever consumed even one propecia pill! Taking these statements at face value, how can cdnuts possibly know that he suffered from PFS after discontinuing the drug at 29? After all it could be his hypogondal state rearing its ugly head again.

10. I believe howeber, that it is irrational to take cdnuts statements on these forums at face value: Much more likely is that he invents stories and protocols to push his supplements to different target groups. It is highly likely that he was neither hypogondal in his early twenties nor suffering from PFS after discontinuing the drug when he was 29. A health scammer often has multiple fake stories to increase the number of supplements he can sell.

11. Cdnuts is engaging in high pressure selling tactics on his swolesource.com PFS subsection: He claims that all people asking him sceptical questions are negative and can thus never recover. Any questioning of his statements is forbidden, if you do it “you are your own worst enemy” (quoting cdnuts directly here). This is typical for health scammers and is a tactic to prevent the fraud to be uncovered. Also the health scammer doesnt want to waste energy on convincing sceptics to buy his supplements. Instead he wants to sell to the gullible and make sure that sceptics dont get in the way. Thus ensuring that sceptics leave the community by attacking them and or banning them is essential.

12. Cdnuts never acknowledges the foundation. This would cut against his guru status. This is again typical for health scammers.

13. Cdnuts is a professional salesman that also sells insurance.

14. Cdnuts never answered my legitimate questions I asked on his forum: http://www.swolesource.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3506&p=57883&viewfull=1#post57883

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PROOF:

For 1. claiming that he can cure everyone:

This post is a sticky thread over at swolesource.com

@cdsnuts

TO ALL PFS GUYS:

Welcome to Swole Source. Please take a minute to read through this post. Here we focus on solutions, not problems. A few things to note:

You WILL recover. It’s not a matter of if, but a matter of WHEN.

The sooner you get on the protocol, the sooner you will start to recover.

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3197&p=52287&viewfull=1#post52287

At the end of that sticky thread he links to his generic website:

@cdsnuts

To start your recovery process, please visit Total Male Optimization Just another WordPress site

Underlined part of the quote links to http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com.

This post is also a sticky thread over at swolesource.com:

@cdsnuts

I can’t tell you the amount of messages I get asking me these things. I know you’re scared. I know you’re worried that you’ll never get back to normal. I also know you want to check and see if you can too by comparing what you’re going through to what I went through.

It’s not necessary.

The route of recovery is the same for EVERYONE.

Rather than wasting time with that, spend some time to research the methods that are used here and WHY they work. Research the individual pieces of the protocol so that you can understand why they are recommended.

This is a much better use of your time.

Above all, stop worrying. (Read “The causes and cure of PFS” post to see why you NEED to stop worrying)

Easier said then done, I know.

The sooner you start, the sooner this will all be a thing of the past.

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3235&p=53020&viewfull=1#post53020

A typical post of him claiming he hacked PFS:

@cdsnuts

The foundation?!? Why would I possibly reference the foundation?
What a joke.
In my opinion it’s a complete waste of time, money and resources.
We already know what needs to be done. As I said from the very beginning some people just can’t hack it.

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3501&p=57683&viewfull=1#post57683

For claiming that you need to buy 21 herbs (+ one example of high pressure selling tactics):

As you saw above at the end of the sticky thread where he claims everyone can recover via his protocol he requests that people start their recovery journey at his totalmaleoptimization.com website. Here is what he states on this website (under the tab "Testerone Boosting supplement rotation):

@cdsnuts

Forget everything you’ve learned about taking Testosterone Boosting Supplements because it’s all wrong.

How many times have you purchased that next magical pill or herb that was supposed to turn you into a beast over night and got less then stellar results? Or maybe you did get results for the first couple of days, and then the magic faded. There’s a reason for this….

TOLERANCE

[…]

The trick here is you need to stock up on a VARIETY of testosterone boosting supplements so that you can take something different every day of the week and still feel the juice.

You’re going to want to start out with at least one different herb for each day of the week and slowly increase your herb stash over time so that you can build yourself up to a 21 day cycle by where you’re taking one herb per day for a consecutive three weeks.

These herbs are listed in no particular order of importance……the trick here again, is to only take each one ONCE per week, or even better…… once per two or three weeks depending on your finances. The more space you have between taking each one, the better the results will be. Get yourself up to taking 21 different herbs, one per day, over the course of three weeks and your testosterone is going to be higher then it’s ever been.

Source: http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/testosterone-boosting-supplement-rotation/

Notice how this sounds like the typical health scam or the infomercial of a fraudster. The language, the nonsense but financially lucrative bro science everything fits.

He also likes to push the 21 herbs line directly on his PFS swolesource.com forum, when talking with PFS victims:

Interaction with PFS victim 1:

@cdsnuts

The herbs are powerful medicine no doubt. Just imagine your results when you cycle 21 of them…

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3195&p=52381&viewfull=1#post52381

Interaction with PFS victim 2:

@cdsnuts

If you’re rotating all herbs on a 21-day cycle I can’t see how they could possibly be wearing off.

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3298&p=55340&viewfull=1#post55340

Interaction with PFS victim 3:

Context: Bizzbee isnt reacting well to a few of the 21 herbs. Thus cdnuts demands that he buy all of the herbs that he isnt reacting badly to which are 17.

@bizzbee

17 herbs? That’s a bit much. If I’m not mistaken you rotated or at least recommended initially a rotation of 7-10 herbs for those going through recovery. Perhaps your situation is different now. I’m going to try to keep it as simple as possible

Cdnuts replies:

@cdsnuts

It’s a 21-day cycle?

And it’s not a bit much. Have you bothered to go on and read the website at all?

Listen… Do what you do and get what you get. That’s all there is to it.

You’re limiting yourself for absolutely no reason at all other than because you " want to keep it simple"

You guys are your own worst enemies.

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3393&p=55790&viewfull=1#post55790

Notice the high pressure selling tactics in the above quote: “You guys are your own worst enemies”, “You do what you do and get what you get”, “You are limiting yourself for no reason”. These high pressure selling tactics are employed by cdnuts in most interactions with his victims. This again shows you that he is a scammer.

There are of course more examples of him pushing the 21 herbs but this should suffice.

For him pushing health scam websites on propeciahelp.com since 2008/2009, when he registered on that forum:

Posted back in May 2009 (!) :

@cdsnuts

Time, fasting, superior diet (whether you do raw or not) Exercise, sunlight, sleep and companionship are the best things you can do for the time being. Supporting supplements help like the ones mentioned on http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone. … sters.html and can make a very big difference in your sexual encounters.

I believe you will be able to have children one day. You should too. Give it time, let yourself heal. It does get better.

http://propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2435&p=13310#p13310

Posted back in Oct. 2009 (!):

@cdsnuts

http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone. … rally.html

Everything you’ll need is here.

http://propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2440&p=15663#p15663

Posted back in July 2010 (!) :

@cdsnuts

This site changed alot for me. I think you’ll find the same in your condition, as you are not very bad and will probably react favorably to these supps

http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/

http://propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2505&start=20#p24654

And this takes the cake: CDNUTS WANTS YOU TO PAINT YOUR TESTICLES (Posted in 2013):

@cdsnuts

http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/balls-big.html People are getting good results with testicle painting as outlined on this site.

http://propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=8271&start=80

The website he linked to is: https://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/. He linked to many other scammy websites as well of course. Boost your low testosterone.com is a health scam website, selling penis rings, testicle painting equipment, herbs and other stuff! That he would link to such a high pressure scammy salesmen website is prove that he was a fraud right from the start and never suffered from PFS!

For cdnuts claiming on a fitness forum that he was hypogondal since his early twenties, claiming on propeciahelp.com that he started with propecia at 25 and that he is recovering from PFS naturally.

Cdnuts was hypogondal in his early twenties and insisted on HRT (t-nation post from 2010!):

@cdsnuts

I am 32 years old and because of mistakes I have made using gear, I now have to do lifelong HRT. I am not thrilled about this but at age 19 there are so many alternatives that can help produce more test naturally. Anabolic eating is where I would start as well as squats and deadlifts. Why not take advantage of those great compound movements that are proven to raise level.

For me, the quality of life is what i am after I have had many test that result in levels at or below 200. Depression, fatigue loss in libido are all things that i have experienced. I had low levels in my early 20’s and insisted on HRT, only compounding the situation because my doctor(who is in jail now, haha, not because of me) didn’t administer properly. While I am getting honest, I am sure i did things to enhance what little supplementation he had to offfer.

I just wish I took the time to really get educated before using certain compounds. Androgels definitely worked for me but only help a 200 range turn into just below 600. I was grateful for the help but still wasn’t optimum range for me. I would love to be in the low 700, but I think its gonna be a miracle to happen naturally.

https://forums.t-nation.com/t/testosterone-levels-and-age/146785/7

Cdnuts claims to have taken propecia from 25-29:

@cdsnuts

1. 3 years, stopped for a month, then on another year. (big mistake)
2. 1 mg
3. 25-28 then my whole 29th year. Stopped at the end of my 29th year
4. Have recovered the majority of my sexual function, but libido is still dragging and sometimes erections are a bit "weird,"but I can still perform.

http://propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1356&hilit=recovered&start=40

Claims on propeciahelp.com to be recovering naturally despite stating on t-nation that he is on lifelong HRT and wants to push his Testosterone up to 700:

@cdsnuts

Quote:
“Were there any medications that you used or TRT?”

No, no meds. After this whole mess I swore off the pharmaceutical industry for good.

http://propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2542&p=15646&hilit=since#p15646

What does this tell us? As stated above, if we take cdnuts statements at face value, it is impossible for him to know that he was actually suffering from PFS after discontinuing propecia at age 29, since he was hypogondal naturally in his early 20s. Since those two diseases have very similar symptoms and since he was hypogondal long before he ever took propecia, his supposed PFS could just have been his hypogondal nature rearing its ugly head again. Again: It is impossible for cdnuts to know that he suffered from PFS because he was naturally hypogondal before ever taking propecia and also because he recovered very quickly. All of this is when we take his statements at face value.

As I said above it is irrational to to take cdnuts statements at face value. It is much more likely that he makes up stories to go along with the supplements he is trying to sell to different target groups. Thus on one forum he is hypogondal and on the next he is suffering from PFS. He never had PFS!!

For Cdnuts being a professional salesmen, also selling insurance products.

He started with this back in 2007 and still sells insurance to this date:

@cdsnuts

Hello All,

I am new to this forum and have been going through the posts for the past couple of hours absorbing all of the info on everyone’s favorite topic, MP sales. I am thinking about selling this but have not decided on an organization to go with yet. I am glad that I found this forum. Obviously, NAA has been an organization that I had entertained joining…until I found this site. One thing that caught my eye with them was the Hudgins sales system. They tout this as being one of the best methods of selling MP. I am intensely curious about this and would like to know what this “system” is. Is it really that good? Can anyone tell me (ex-NAAers) what this system is and how it works? If anything but to just quench my curiosity. Are there parts of it worth using in my own presentations?

Thanks

https://insurance-forums.com/community/threads/hudgins-sales-system.3235/

Continue reading here: Is cdnuts a fraud?

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ORIGINAL POST:

WARNING: There is a good possiblity that cdnuts has turned into a fraudster.

Money grubber Cdnuts recommends cycling at least 7 and up to 20+ herbs to cure PFS. What fraudulent nonsense.

@cdnuts

You’re going to take one herb per day and then move on to the next one the following day. You’re not going to want to spend more then a day or two on each herb. The whole point is to avoid the inevitable tolerance that your body will put up against any substance which is taken on too regular of a basis. By rotating your herbs in this fashion, you get that nice, juicy Testosterone boost each and every time you take it, as opposed to just the first couple times and then having the magic fade quickly.

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2912&p=49166&viewfull=1#post49166

What bro science nonsense. The real reason: He wants you to buy loads of stuff up front before realizing that it doesnt work. If only one herb was needed, you wouldnt make a large up front purchase.

@cdnuts

The only downside of this is there is a significant purchase up front, but when you cycle them properly, they last forever.

There we have it.

@cdnuts

You want to start out with a minimum of 7 herbs. When funds become available, purchase another one or two, and keep adding on.

Right. When funds become available, pls transfer them to his or his associates bank account.

@cdnuts

I personally rotate about 20+ different herbs (one each day) that brings me to a complete three week cycle. Once I get to the end, I start all over again. The best part is, you can do this indefinitely. It never stops producing results…it’s always fresh. The more herbs you have in the rotation, the stronger you can keep the response from each one of them because more time has passed since the last time you’ve taken it. I say you need 7 to start because you want to wait at minimum a week between taking each particular herb. The longer you wait, the better the response.

Hahahaha. This sounds like a scammy infomercial doesnt it? What a fraud! The longer you wait between using the same herbs (i.e. the more herbs are in rotation) the better the response? What convenient bro science for his bank account. So basically if you buy 50 different herbs up front, you will have a better effect than the guy buying only 20. You will thus get cured faster when you buy 50 herbs instead of only 20. Of course the guy buying 100 different herbs will be cured of PFS even faster.

And btw: He actually has over 20 that he rotates. So if the guru does it shouldnt you? And dont even think about purchasing less than 7 up front. We want to grab as much money from you as possible, before you notice that it isnt working.

@cdnuts

This is my complete list in no particular order:

Pine Pollen
Pine pollen extract
Ant Extract
Cistanche
He Shou Wu
Schisandra
Guduchi
Maral Root.
Shilajit pitch
Tongkat Ali
Rhodiola
Eleuthero
Ashwaganda
Mucana
Cordyceps
Lions mane
Tribulus (liftmode)
Muira puama
Catauba bark
Butea superba
Suma root extract
Royal jelly
maca (macapro)

What a nice shopping list you have there cdnuts. Funny, initially you only talked about one or two herbs. But I guess this new theory is just lovely for the bank account isnt it?

Then he links to his or his associates (??) website:

@cdnuts

The majority of these can be grabbed at Super Man Herbs - Pine Pollen, Mushrooms, Shilajit and More . So far I haven’t found another supplier that provides the quality of product that they do. This can be vouched for by many guys here that have already tried many of their herbs. Also, by opting in to their site, you get free stuff based on what you buy, and they regularly send out discounts to people on their mailing list. Win win.

Links to following website: lostempireherbs.com

Remember only buy from that website! They are the best! For his bank account. Wouldnt want to buy the stuff at a place where cdnuts isnt involved and doesnt get his fair cut of the profits.

How stupid are these guys to not see the obvious?

[BadLuck]

Definitely a fraud. I’m surprised the admins have not banned him from this site.

[gents93]

Definitely not a fraud, I just think he had hypogonadism from finasteride use lol

[pvdl]

Look at how the DEVIL cdnuts ensnarles his victims:

A PFS sufferer writes this:

@K8668B

Well the funds will come. The water fast is a definite first then. I’ll have the funds soon, but just not this second. May take a few weeks. I’ve probably spent a shitload of money already trying to fight this disease over the decade. Primary care physicians, urologists, sex therapists, things at the vitamin shoppe. viagra or cialis didnt even work. Because this is not just “ed”, this is post finasteride syndrome! The only thing that ever worked for me was prolab horny goat weed. and a certain kind of magnesium. had good results, but not to the level of pre-pfs. but that pro lab horny goat weed showed me that there was a light at the end of the tunnell.

What is cdnuts reply? After all, apparently his victim is having financial difficulties. He does not have the necessary funds. Maybe back off of his 7 herbs are necessary at a minimum, to start the protocol?

No no, he goes for the jackpot, cold heartedly scamming a troubled soul out of his last money:

@K8668B

The herbs are powerful medicine no doubt. Just imagine your results when you cycle 21 of them.…

Remember: He wants that this poor soul buys 21 HERBS! 21! And he implies that the more herbs you buy, the better the results! Before that post he convinced the victim, that his protocol is the only way forward for the victims life. Its incredibly cold hearted and fraudulent.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … art-2.html

FRAUD!

[maxout777]

I wish you would be banned. All you do is kill hope for others without offering any ideas or hope of your own. I got some random email from this site today, and decided to check back in and see if anything had changed, or if anyone else had escaped this hell since I posted my recovery. But alas, it’s just you, stuck in your own misery attacking those who have gotten better and helped others. Cdnuts helped me without ANY financial gain toward himself. Even if I PMed him late at night, and was in bad shape needing an answer, he always was there to help and never once pushed any product that he got ANY financial gain from. I bought all of my lost empire herbs products and other products from my own links and research. And guess what, HE STILL HELPED whenever I needed it. You’re just a sorry excuse for an individual to attack someone who couldn’t care less about what your opinion is, and you continue to try to misprove any recovery.

Here’s an idea, shill, how about you just do what you want to do, and stop worrying about others. Life is exactly what you put into it, and you’re always putting negative thoughts in your own head, as well as other victims who could benefit from “homebrew” programs. It’s been quite some time since our last exchange, and in that time I’ve recovered and gone on with my life, and you’re still hoping for your study.

Is pvdl a fraud?

[pvdl]

You have no credibility if you defend cdnuts.

There are five possible reasons why you defend this obvious fraudulent behaviour:

1. You are incredibly naive
   2) You are an alternate account of cdnuts. (possible, since you try to justify why you posted, “i.e. I got an alert”.)
2. You are willfully ignorant and deluded, because you didnt suffer from a chronic case of PFS.
   4) You personally benefit from this behaviour monetarily in some way.
   5) You are willfully ignorant, because you havent recovered yet and are a deluded follower, that doesnt want his bubble to pop.

[maxout777]

Who died and made you God? How do you have any ability to determine credibility of others when you offer, 100%, NOTHING.

Is that the response you give when you have no ability to logically debate a point? Impressive. I’m still awaiting you to give a solution or benefit the community. I’m not holding my breath, however…

Have a nice life, kid. Wish you well in your recovery.

[pvdl]

You didnt have a point. You diverted attention away from cdnuts fraudulent behaviour, by attacking me (ad-hominen) and demanding that I solve a chronic disease (absurd and beside the point).

[noprop]

Just read the results of the published researches. Those herbs helped me a lot when I was on fina- but don’t due to pfs. Cdnuts did not have pfs.

The solution is to find in the epigenetic “section”. Just read the articles.

[noprop]

@pvdl

You didnt have a point. You diverted attention away from cdnuts fraudulent behaviour, by attacking me (ad-hominen) and demanding that I solve a chronic disease (absurd and beside the point).

[The_Ruffneck]

@BadLuck

Definitely a fraud. I’m surprised the admins have not banned him from this site.

Why would he come back here?

[pvdl]

Cdnuts is making money off of all kinds of people, PFS sufferers are just a fraction of his customers he likes to scam.

If you visit swolesource in the hope of curing PFS here is one of the PFS sticky threads cdnuts has prepared for you:

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … sting.html

In the above link he basically tells you that you will recover with a 100% probability if you do his protocol. He also links to his website:

@cdnuts

You WILL recover. It’s not a matter of if, but a matter of WHEN
To start your recovery process, please visit Total Male Optimization

LInks to this: totalmaleoptimization.com/

Now notice: This website isnt actually geared towards PFS at all. Its a website that could be for anyone that wants to improve his health via supplements. Why is that? Thats because cdnuts is a seller of supplements. Let that sink in: Cdnuts isnt actually a guy who suffered severely from PFS and now wants to help PFS guys recover. He is a seller of supplements (and other stuff) looking to make a buck and he found a great opportunity to defraud PFS victims. Now PFS victims are not his only customers, thats why his website is not geared towards them.

When you go on his website, there is a section about herbs:

totalmaleoptimization.com/te … -rotation/

There he tells you that you need 21 herbs:

@cdnuts

You’re going to want to start out with at least one different herb for each day of the week and slowly increase your herb stash over time so that you can build yourself up to a 21 day cycle by where you’re taking one herb per day for a consecutive three weeks.

Where does he want you to buy all these herbs? Well right here: lostempireherbs.com/

This website is either his or one of his associates.

Now maybe you now say: Well he just said visit the generic website totalmaleoptimization.com for the PFS guys, how do you know that he recommends rotating 21 different herbs for every PFS victim? This is recommended on the generic website yes, but maybe he doesnt think the PFS guys need to rotate herbs you might say.

Well there is another PFS sticky thread where he explicitly tells PFS victims to cycle the herbs plus pro hormones (another product he wants you to buy):

@cdnuts

If going this route, you want to make sure BEFORE you start cycling that you have done the necessary cleansing required before starting the protocol. You also want to make sure that you’re diet and training are on point following the recommendations on the website.

It is also recommended that you cycle the herbs two months prior to starting a cycle. Once you have met these requirments the recommended pro-hormone is R-andro by IML labs. Get what you need here: R andro - socal-nutrition

You want to cycle R andro 400mg/day for 6 weeks. (You could go up to 600mg/day if you don’t have any negative effects)

So cdnuts wants you to buy 21 herbs and cycle them for 2 month. Then you add a pro hormone which is very expensive. And if the finances permit it, cdnuts would like you to fill his pockets indefinitely.

@cdnuts

Finances permitting, you can do this indefinitely in this fashion following this timeline for as long as you like. Each time you complete a cycle you will have gained more and more ground towards your recovery.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … gimen.html

As you can see, if you buy into this fraud you will soon be broke buying all the supplements that are necessary for this protocol.

Again: cdnuts is a seller of supplements and health products NOT a PFS victim. He ABUSES PFS victims by defrauding them out of their money.

And sadly bizzbee (who is not recovered despite posting a thread in the recovery section of propeciahelp.com) fell for it too:

@bizzbee

I guess I wanted to try to beat this thing without any help from herbs or pro hormones. I got pretty far but it just wasn’t enough, I was in very bad shape and I needed help.

Cdnuts replies:

@cdnuts

I’ve said this to you once before man, there’s no medal for someone who beats PFS with the least amount of ancillaries.
Hit it hard with everything you have to get the best results… Not to mention the quickest

And he readily admits, that cdnuts protocol is costing him dearly:

@bizzbee

This shit is expensive. But it’s better than living like a eunuch the rest of my life. Ordered 4 more bottles. Each bottle lasts two weeks if taking 4 capsules a day.
Want to run 6 week cycles. Good thing its Cyber Monday. The third cycle will be 4 weeks Super R and the last two will be androhard.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … nes-5.html

Btw, cdnuts also sell other stuff that he recommends PFS sufferers to buy:

A meditation course:

totalmaleoptimization.com/calming-the-mind/
Links to this: holosync.com/sd/partners-lp/

When you fast he earns more money through amazon affiliate links:

totalmaleoptimization.com/th … -feasting/

And so forth. You cant do one step in that protocol, without cdnuts making a buck of you. Incredible. Even for the juice fast he found it necessary to pump products.

[pvdl]

I am pointing out profiteering and fraud going on in this community. Somehow many of you seem to willfully gloss over this fact. Cdnuts didnt suggest 21 herbs because he believes you have to take 21 herbs. He suggested 21 herbs because he wants to profit off of the backs of PFS victims. The claim that 21 different herbs are needed for recovery is so absurd that the only possible way to explain this statement is profiteering and fraud. Even someone severely deluded by his personal experiences and buying into the homebrew is the cure for everyone story wouldnt make such an absurd claim. So the only reason we are left with is fraud. The defense that he is just delusional is now not possible anymore.

Thus we can now also say with confidence, that cdnuts knows that he doesnt know what PFS is. However he still claims the opposite, since it benefits his bank account.

I think I have done everything in my power to warn people of this obvious fraud. If you fall for it now, you deserve it.

Whether cdnuts once was a legitimate severe PFS case and later developed into a fraudster or if he was one from the beginning is irrelevant. You cant trust anything he says. I personally believe he never had a severe case of PFS.

[pvdl]

@bruschi11

And regarding CDNUTS calling him a fraud. The dude is proud of what he did and he’s selling it alright? Like he basically climbed Everest over a 3 year period. He’s proud of it, he wants to help people, does he want to make money off of it? Probably- he believes in his stuff though so he’s thinking “maybe I can help people and make money while doing it. And I can share my story!” Maybe not the brightest guy conversationally online, but that’s how I see him. He doesn’t bother me at all and I’m so glad to have heard his full story and read just about every single one of his posts on PH.

Anyways that’s that…time to keep on “home-brewing” my way back to recovery- the Bruschi way. Let’s keep on going!

solvepfs.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1985&start=50

I just read this post over at bruschis eradicating pfs blog (solvepfs.com). I want to reply to it in this thread since I do not want to distrub bruschis blog, which is dedicated to homebrewing. Also I think this reply demonstrates a combination of wishful thinking and a misunderstanding of the core argument I am making.

I believe bruschis reply is wishful thinking because he wants to believe that he can homebrew himself out of his PFS and thus cant admit to himself that cdnuts is a fraud.

But lets get to the argument bruschi is making here: He is saying that cdnuts is not a fraud, because he is just selling a product he believes in. And why cant he make some money out of a product that cdnuts believes is very valuable. With this bruschi believes he has just refuted my argument.

That is actually false since he has not understood the argument I am making. I would agree with the statement that it would not be fraud if his protocol would be an extension of his genuine held believes even if they are false.

However this is not the case: No homebrewer would ever make the absurd claim that buying 21 herbs to recover is necessary, if you want the quickest and maximum effect. This is such an absurd claim that it can not be genuine. It is motivated by a purely monetary consideration. I.e.: He is willing to defraud PFS victims by claiming that the protocol is best when you buy 21 herbs, even though he knows this is nonsense.

Now if he had said: Only buy theses 3 herbs and this pro-hormone and thats it, that would have been believable. It seems plausible that a homebrewer would suggest this protocol and believe in its necessity. It is however not believable that anybody thinks that 21 herbs is the amount necessary (plus pro hormones).

So my argument isnt that cdnuts is making money off of PFS (although that already warrants a closer look). It is that his protocol is fraudulent even if you believe in homebrew.

Now the second aspect is that he has this website, which is not at all geared towards PFS. This also suggests to me that he is just selling products to anyone willing to buy. PFS is not really his main concern at all.

Another aspect is that he recently suggested that a PFS sufferer buy an expensive breathing/meditation lecture. He also links to this nonsense via his website.

Again: The claim is not that he makes money of PFS and thus must be a fraud. The claim is that nobody would sincerely suggest buying 21 herbs, even if he is a homebrewer.

I am sure that bruschi will not accept this argument since homebrewing is his last hope of a quick recovery and cdnuts is a leading figure in this regard.

[italyside2]

Yo Boy, come on.
You look like a bitch screaming just after mestrual.
You don’t trust CdNuts? Don’t use his protocol, who the fuck cares?
Do use the protocol you think it is better for you and stop screaming like a pussy… nobody cares, nobody cares about you wasting your time screaming.
We have bigger problem to think about… recovery.

[pvdl]

@italyside2

Yo Boy, come on.
You look like a bitch screaming just after mestrual.
You don’t trust CdNuts? Don’t use his protocol, who the fuck cares?
Do use the protocol you think it is better for you and stop screaming like a pussy… nobody cares, nobody cares about you wasting your time screaming.
We have bigger problem to think about… recovery.

Look what we have here, another cdnuts zombie…

But be my guest and buy those 21 herbs plus pro hormones for a cool 1000 bucks. You deserve to be scammed and cdnuts will gladly take your money.

[aletheia]

It does seem like shallow hawking (maybe, I don’t want to make too definitive a statement). But that doesn’t invalidate the reality of his story, the quality of his protocol, etc. And your body does build up tolerances, it’s just not cut and dry like he insinuates, like any hawker insinuates.

[pvdl]

You cant trust anything a fraudster says, thus it invalidates his entire story in my eyes.

Anyway, make of the above information what you wish. I think I have said everything I can say about this fraud.

[pvdl]

[b][i]Summary: CDNUTS is not a PFS victim but a SELLER of supplements ABUSING PFS victims. He wants you to cylce 21 herbs and claims to know what PFS is and how to cure it. Even a genuine homebrewer would never claim that it is necessary to cylce 21 herbs. A genuine homebrewer would maybe suggest 1 or 2 at most 3. Thus it is clear that cdnuts is a fraud and his protocol is built around making the maximum amount of money.

Other reasons why he is a fraud are: 1) He claims to know what PFS is even though scientists are still in the dark. 2) He claims that his protocol will work for everyone, despite knowing that for many it has failed. 3) He never acknowledges the foundation as that would undercut his supposed guru status.
[/b][/i]

Look at cdnuts pumping the products of lostempireherbs.com (a website he either owns or is affiliated with) over at swolesource. Sometimes its hard to know whether you are reading an infomercial or a PFS support website.

Notice: In his posts, the underlined part links to the online store.

The master seller and fraudster cdnuts at work (emphasis in bold is mine):

@cdnuts

You want to start out with a minimum of 7 herbs. When funds become available, purchase another one or two, and keep adding on. I personally rotate about 20+ different herbs (one each day) that brings me to a complete three week cycle.

By using these herbs in this fashion I’ve felt the best I’ve ever felt in my life. I feel like i’m “on” all the time. Well being, sex drive, performance and strength, muscle building are all kept naturally at the highest possible levels. It’s a great feeling!

swolesource.com/forum/supple … #post49166

@cdnuts

The herbs are powerful medicine no doubt. Just imagine your results when you cycle 21 of them…

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … art-2.html

@cdnuts

I’m loving my brain stack lately. Bacopa, Gotu Kola, shizandra berry and Rhodiola all washed down with Lions mane spiked coffee. Next level brain power!

I take the lowest dose (maybe even a little less) of each of them. I do this twice a day on the days I do it. I usually save it for when I’m going to be slapping away at the computer keys for most of the day. It’s a phenomenal stack.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … #post57455

@cdnuts

For those of you who haven’t tried this one yet, or are waiting to add it to your arsenal, Lost Empire Herbs is having a sale on this to make room for their new harvest.

This is one of my favorite herbs to use because of the feel it gives. To me, it always gives a very calm, yet boosted alpha feeling. Very good on the relaxation end of things. I believe it helps greatly in lowering cortisol which is one of the ways it illicits it’s effects. I’ve also noticed good effects on sleep while cycling this one.

This is a very good price for this one.

Ashwagandha Spagyric Tincture (2 fl. oz) - Lost Empire Herbs]

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … cture.html

@cdnuts

So I’ve been playing around with a new dosing scheme concerning shilijat resin Shilajit Resin - Guaranteed Potency - Lost Empire Herbs that I want to share.

I’ve been taking this DAILY for the past six weeks and have noticed a few benefits worth mentioning. I know this is outside of my rotation protocol, but it is with reason that I decided to try this. Shilijat is loaded with bioavailable minerals that are needed for the myriad of enzymatic reactions that make life possible. Seeing as we are constantly being stripped of these minerals just as a function of daily life, you can never have enough of them stocked up. To me, this alone is a fantastic enough reason to supplement with this everyday, just the same as you would with magnesium. These minerals are in constant demand and when you run low or run out, problems easily arise.

…

So while I was talking to Lost Empire about this, I mentioned what I was doing with the shilijat. And they confirmed again, that by taking the shilijat daily, I was in fact increasing the effect of ALL the other herbs I was rotating! They even went as far as saying that people who take pharmaceuticals should be very careful when supplementing with shilijat because shilijat increases the effect of ANYTHING you take it with!

I thought this was phenomenal and it exactly mirrored my experiences over the past six weeks.

So, if you have the budget, or even better, have the shilijat, try taking it daily for the next couple of weeks and see what happens. This stuff is super concentrated, so you don’t need much. Something the size of a pea or less will do the trick. For you guys on a budget, or just for those who are looking to get more of a kick out of their current regimen, this little hack will foot the bill.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … ation.html

How convenient. If you take this herb, all the other 21 herbs you have to take are more powerful. You cant make this stuff up. So scammy and so fraudulent that I dont even need to make my case. Its revealing all by its own!!!

@cdnuts

If any of you guys try this first, let me know what you think about it.

Pearl Powder (50 Grams)

Supposedly including all of the benefits on skin and joint health, this one is also a gaba enhancer. Might be helpful.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … owder.html

@cdnuts

So this one looks very interesting!

Anyone who tries it within the next couple of weeks please let us know of your experiences. I plan on giving it a go within the next month or so. I have a feeling I’ll be adding it to the sleep section of my website. Obviously I need to test it first.

Check it out here: Albizia Powder (100 grams) - Lost Empire Herbs

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … xiety.html

@cdnuts

IMO, the best time to keep taking them is when full recovery has occurred. That is when you feel the magic the most.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … rbs-2.html

@cdnuts

@bizzbee

I guess I wanted to try to beat this thing without any help from herbs or pro hormones. I got pretty far but it just wasn’t enough, I was in very bad shape and I needed help.

I’ve said this to you once before man, there’s no medal for someone who beats PFS with the least amount of ancillaries.

Hit it hard with everything you have to get the best results… Not to mention the quickest

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … #post57498

@cdnuts

I recommend dropping the 4 andro and running the rest of the cycle out with just the R andro so you can see what you’re dealing with and how your body is responding, or not responding. As mentioned by Pageidol, even if you’re not feeling the cycle, you’re benefiting from what it’s doing behind the scenes in your system. I know several guys that didn’t’ “feel” the cycle until their third or fourth one. You’re just not one of the lucky ones that gets to feel the fun stuff out of the gate.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … #post57451

Even if the pro hormones are not working, just continue with them as they are working behind the scenes. In a funny way thats true isnt it? They are working behind the scenes for cdnuts bank account!!!

@cdnuts

@bizzbee

I need a SERM like substance. The herbs aren’t going to cut it. They didn’t last time. The RES 100 should do nicely. Too bad Sustain Alpha by BPS is no longer made.

You just don’t get it bro.

I didn’t realize you’ve been rotating herbs for a year or so to make that determination.

You make your judgments based on the fact that you take an herb a couple of times and if you don’t get an immediate reaction from it you automatically Bin it. You’re doing exactly the opposite of what is recommended.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … #post57316

Right. What is recommended is that you cycle 21 herbs for 1 year, even if you are not feeling anything. Before that you cant make a judgement call? Why is that recommended? Because cdnuts has a bank account to fill. He doesnt want you to stop buying those herbs just because they dont work. That would be uncaring in regards to his finances.

@cdnuts

@jacknap

[b]are there any don’ts to fasting?

eg) no teeth brushing?[/b] showering? contact lenses?

obviously dont do heavy weight lifting

You can brush your teeth with this : Amazon.com: Pack of 2 Remineralization Tooth Powder - Peppermint (1 Oz): Home Kitchen, although you won’t be eating so it’s not going to be completely necessary.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … ality.html

AND ON AND ON AND ON it goes.

There are many many many more posts of cdnuts selling stuff.

I just had to post this, to give you guys an impression that goes beyond the arguments mentioned already.

[pvdl]

[b][i]Summary: CDNUTS is not a PFS victim but a SELLER of supplements ABUSING PFS victims. He wants you to cylce 21 herbs and claims to know what PFS is and how to cure it. Even a genuine homebrewer would never claim that it is necessary to cylce 21 herbs. A genuine homebrewer would maybe suggest 1 or 2 at most 3. Thus it is clear that cdnuts is a fraud and his protocol is built around making the maximum amount of money. NEW INFORMATION: If you follow cdnuts protocol the UPFRONT costs are 1045 dollars (if you add the brain package, 1145 dollars).

Other reasons why he is a fraud are: 1) He claims to know what PFS is even though scientists are still in the dark. 2) He claims that his protocol will work for everyone, despite knowing that for many it has failed. 3) He never acknowledges the foundation as that would undercut his supposed guru status.
[/i][/b]

What is revealing though, is that at the review section of lostempireherbs.com we have a professional natural bodybuilder who recommends buying 3 herbs. 3!!! He uses only 3 herbs and is a natural bodybuilder, doing this stuff for a living!

@Miguel Morin

3 herbs that need to be in your everyday life. #1 Tongkat ali
#2 Schisandra berry
#3 Mucuna Extract

This is my first ever review so bare with me.
I’ve taken Tongkat Ali for the past 5 months for bodybuilding purpose to keep it in range with the other guy while still being natural. Let me tell you something it does more than I thought it would. gives me the lean mass i need and still shedding some fat. Im the same if not more than when i was on other test booster( test prop). but without the side effect and estrogen going up thus needing a AI along with it. With tongkat ali it does all the benefits wihtout the sides. The Doc told me theres nothing wrong running it 5 days on 2 days off for as long as you want just need to take a 2 ,3 week break every 6 months.

lostempireherbs.com/reviews/ (scroll down to see it).

If 3 is enough for a professional natural bodybuilder it should be enough for a PFS victim. But no cdnuts wants you to buy 21!!! 21. If that was necessary for the maximum effect, dont you think the bodybuilder would already be on it???

The only way to explain such an absurd recommendation are monetary motivations and fraud.

Now how much would cdnuts protocol cost you up front (i.e. without considering the costs of buying more herbs once you consumed them):

He recommends buying these 21 herbs (and wants you to buy them through the website lostempireherbs.com). I have added the price for each of them in bold:

@cdnuts

You want to start out with a minimum of 7 herbs. When funds become available, purchase another one or two, and keep adding on. I personally rotate about 20+ different herbs (one each day) that brings me to a complete three week cycle.

This is my complete list in no particular order:

Pine Pollen b[/b]
Pine pollen extract b[/b]
Ant Extract ($50)
Cistanche b[/b]
He Shou Wu b[/b]
Schisandra b[/b]
Guduchi b[/b]
Maral Root. b[/b]
Shilajit pitch b[/b]
Tongkat Ali b[/b]
Rhodiola b[/b]
Eleuthero b[/b]
Ashwaganda b [/b]
Mucana b[/b]
Cordyceps b[/b]
Lions mane b[/b]
Tribulus (liftmode) b[/b]
Muira puama b[/b]
Catauba bark b[/b]
Butea superba b[/b]
Suma root extract ($40)
Royal jelly b[/b]
maca (macapro) b[/b]

swolesource.com/forum/supple … #post49166

This will cost $766 up front just to get started with the herbs.

But to cure PFS cdnuts also wants you to buy pro hormones:

@cdnuts

It is also recommended that you cycle the herbs two months prior to starting a cycle. Once you have met these requirments the recommended pro-hormone is R-andro by IML labs. Get what you need here: R andro - socal-nutrition

You want to cycle R andro 400mg/day for 6 weeks. (You could go up to 600mg/day if you don’t have any negative effects)

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … gimen.html

If am not mistaken one capsule is only about 100 mg. So you need about 4 capsules per day per cdnuts. One container has 60. So it will last about 2 weeks. I.e. you need 3 containers to finish the cycle of 6 weeks.

Thus it will cost you another 120 bucks.

However it doesnt stop there, you also need to fast per cdnuts protocol. For this you need a special blender, your regular one is not going to work:

@cdnuts

The best way to make all of this juice is NOT in a juicer, but rather, a blender. Your regular run of the mill blender is not going to cut it for this job. You need something high powered to break down the leafy greens.

I use the K-tech.

totalmaleoptimization.com/th … -feasting/

How much will this cost you? 150 dollars.

You also need a nutmilk bag:

@cdnuts

Once the whole blender is full and blended with all of your ingredients, get yourself a nutmilk bag and some type of container. Pour the contents of the blender into the nutmilk bag while your holding it over the bucket. Tie off the bag, and start squeezing.

This will cost you again: 9 dollars.

So to summarize this is the bill to just get starte:

21 herbs, 766 dollars.
pro-hormones, 120 dollars.
juice fasting, 159 dollars.

In total you will spent 1045 dollars.

However that is only the basic stuff. If you are so foolish to believe the stuff cdnuts is telling you, you will also consider the brain package:

@cdnuts

I’m loving my brain stack lately. Bacopa, Gotu Kola, shizandra berry and Rhodiola all washed down with Lions mane spiked coffee. Next level brain power!

I take the lowest dose (maybe even a little less) of each of them. I do this twice a day on the days I do it. I usually save it for when I’m going to be slapping away at the computer keys for most of the day. It’s a phenomenal stack.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … #post57455
totalmaleoptimization.com/op … the-brain/

How much will this cost (the stuff can again be bought over at lostempireherbs.com)?

Bacopa: $30
Gotu Kola: $35
Shizandra berry: $30

So the brain package will cost you another 100 bucks.

So to summarize:

Cdnuts protocol in the most basic version will cost you 1045 dollars. If you add the brain package its 1145 dollars. If you add other nonsense like the meditation course, the diet clinic etc. it will go even higher.

These 1145 dollars are up front costs to get started. If you want to continue with this stuff over time you will of course rack up much higher bills.

Lastly, look at this funny but fraudulent interaction. Bizzbee tells cdnuts that he isnt reacting well to some of the herbs. Cdnuts then tells him to just cylce the ones that are fine, which in bizzbees case would be 17 (since he named 4 or so herbs he didnt like). BIzzbee rightfully is sceptical of the amount:

@cdnuts

@bizzbee

17 herbs? That’s a bit much. If I’m not mistaken you rotated or at least recommended initially a rotation of 7-10 herbs for those going through recovery. Perhaps your situation is different now. I’m going to try to keep it as simple as possible.

It’s a 21-day cycle?

And it’s not a bit much. Have you bothered to go on and read the website at all?

Listen… Do what you do and get what you get. That’s all there is to it.

You’re limiting yourself for absolutely no reason at all other than because you " want to keep it simple"

You guys are your own worst enemies.

swolesource.com/forum/post-f … elz-2.html

Those are some high pressure selling tactics by fraud cdnuts. Incredible. The gall this guys has.