i have the same feeling. I have morning wood again, consistently, thanks to the carnivore diet. If i cheat on the diet, i wake up the next day without an erection.
I also believe estrogen to be a part of the equation. I am taking 1.25 mg of Letrozole twice a week, and that has helped the situation too.
Weightlifting, to be honest, didnt change much for me. I will start doing HIIT to see if there is any difference.
I also want to try Tribulus and see what happens. I tried Horny Goat Weed, and it did nothing for me.
But yes, carnivore diet with about 65% of fat and letrozole twice a week are the 2 major things for me. Im almost recovered.
Hey wetaka, what i meant was that 65% of my macro nutrients are fat and the rest are proteins.
The carnivore diet skyrocketed my recovery. Two days after being in ketosis i was already feeling much better.
If I had to rate my recovery, I would say I’m 100% recovered of mental symptoms and 70% recovered of sexual symptoms.
On the carnivore diet, I have morning wood again, which is big, but it’s not as hard as before I took propecia.
Also, even though I can keep an erection, it’s not like before, when I could keep it up effortlessly for as long as I wanted. After I nut, the second turn takes longer still.
Watery segment was something that letrozole solved for me. I guess it had to do with estrogen levels.
That’s why it’s not a 100% recovery.
But still, it’s a lot more than being an impotent man with watery semen, no willpower, foggy mind, like I was.
I feel that specially if you suffer of brain fog, mild depression, any mental sides, you should definitely try ketogenic diet, specially carnivore, because it’s more of an elimination diet.
I tried dozens of supplement, nothing was as efficient than the carnivore / ketogenic diet.
So same same result for me. Neurological symptoms gone (except some insomnia remaining), some sexual symptoms remained for a while but after 9 months on the diet, it’s pretty much all gone. I use Betaine HCL and Choline Bi-Tartrate to get rid of estrogen. Those are what the body use to achieve the same results so there’s no liver damage or side effects (unless I take too much) and the body has a natural path of elimination for those.
Weight lifting got me more muscle plus some general good fitness. That’s cool. Not sure what it did to pfs.
Well, I’m 100% normal, want sex everyday, have morning erection, sensitivity and erections are normal, since the 3rd month of diet semen is not watery and for the last month body odors have returned.
Sex drive is not as bitingly urgent as it was in my 30s but I’m 51 so once a day is good enough.
I was doing some reading and it could be that we also have some degree of glucorticoidss resistance.
Or maybe could be the problem and we are looking to the wrong direccion.
At this point everything is possible.
It say that is also difficult to diagnose it.
there are lots of people that get recovery, it is a little hope. I will continue to look for the many recovery stories I have seen in the forum to put them here, they are many. A big hug to all and I wish you a lot of strength, from this we leave
I think that in most of these cases, the subjects did not have the syndrome, but only persistent (non-permanent) side effects or depression. The real syndrome does not allow you to train, your joints make you very sick, you get injured easily, you have digestive problems, your skin falls apart etc … In the great majority of recovery cases, they talk about physical exercise, but, if you have the syndrome, you can’t do it. I did 100 push-ups 4 times a week, after the syndrome, even after 5 push-ups, my arms are broken and my muscles are injured for a week.
It could be less severe cases, but pfs just the same.
I had all the symptoms you describe except the skin falling apart (although it does not heal easily).
I couldn’t climb two flights of stairs without a pause between the two. I couldn’t stand up at time, I had to squat where I was standing until I could gather enough strength to stand up again.
I started a zero carbs, ketogenic diet which I followed for more than 1 year and now I can swim 50 lapse or do 30 push ups and 13 chin ups. I still have recurrent insomnia and anxiety.
I don’t know how much all cases can improve. But I know for myself that the diet has stopped the deterioration as I was getting worst and reversed 95% of the symptoms. I also take a bunch of supplements and do weight lifting.
Over a year ago, I was disabled. I though of quitting work, couldn’t drive a car or a motorbike and thought of leaving my 3 children as it was too much for me to handle. Of course, I though of ending it many times.
I believe in a couple of year, I’ll write my story here.
In my opinion, diet is the key. And I’m not talking eating normal food, but buying the bio option. I’m talking radical diet: only meat, animal fat and leafy greens (and NO other plants) plus a few zero carbs items here and there. It’s only my opinion, but it has worked for me.
They may have the syndrome but just very minor, not full blown. I agree about the training. When people with this syndrome tell me to excersise 5 times a week I already know they are way better off.
I will not say PFS because its physically more complicated, but PSSD - Zero motivation, almost zero on whole sexual aspect, almost full blunted effect - almost not emotionally feeling a thing does sound like a very minor issue?? Mild case? I think there are minor, NORMAL! and very severe cases - like Rb2dett that truly have a cross PSSD/PFS syndrome, full blown. I really do not like this global depreciation when someone recovered or is on the way to recovery against all odds busting his ass off daily to be called a “Vanilla case” just because he is working out or tries to have a positive mindset. Again, I speak about PSSD, not PFS, because PFS may have physical limitations like Rb2dett mentioned
I agree with you: Saying those who got cured were mild case or not even sick to begin with is self defeatism. I believe there are actions that can be taken to improve people’s conditions here
I was also completely crippled, couldn’d stand up, had gastric reflux so much I had to lie down at an angle so my stomach’s content would’n pour into my throat, was unable to work any complicated task, had anxiety I wanted to die to avoid, brain fog, total insomnia, zero sex drive, no morning wood, no sensitivity and my balls were hurting all the time. Plus many other, you all know the list is long.
I took a very strict carnivore / ketogenic diet, got rid of the neuro and digestive sides within a week, got my energy back within a couple of week, started to lose the sexual sides after around 6 months and now insomnia is getting better, 15 months after crashing. When I started getting my energy back, I did weight lifting and exercise.
Physically, at 51, I’m in better shape than I’ve ever been my whole life. I can do 15 pull ups, lifting my knees to my chin at the same time, more than a hundred set ups (I don’t know how many, I get bored), swim 50 lapses non stop and my pregnant belly was replaced by an eight pack.
It took 13 months of strict diet. After 13 months, I can eat carbs in limited qty, like 40-50 gr in a day with zero carbs days in between and the carbs give me no sides at all. (note that in one of the stories, the guys says he started eating carbs AGAIN, which means he stopped and started again. The zero carbs thing was not permanent)
I am more sensitive to carbs than before in the sense that eating lots of carbs doesn’t sit well with my stomach and makes me feel weird in a negative way but I’m slowly going back to normal although I don’t consider myself healed. I do believe however, that being in ketosis and doing fasts once in a while does repair the epigenetic damage.
When you don’t eat carbs or you fast, you get your energy from fat only. Your body creates acetoacetate and BETA-HYDROXYBUTYRATE (BHB).
BHB prevents or maybe reverts some epigenetic damage to the DNA. This is not my opinion. If you care reading through the science below, be my guess. I didn’t read it all because it’s working for me and I don’t care too much about spending time understanding why it worked. And by the way, you can take exogenous BHB in the form of BHB salts and BHB esters without going into a diet. The effects are limited and it’s expensive so the diet is a better choice. Easy choice, hard life, hard choice, easy life. Pick one.
Can i get the BHP with water fast for a week Ozeph? Cutting out all the carbs is pretty hard for my student life right now. If water fast does the same thing in a week. I might try it thanks.
Exogenous BHB are available as salts or esters. The esters are super expensive (like 33 usd per 4 oz bottle), BHB salts less so but provides lots of electrolytes so if you take too much: you get diarrhea.
Altogether, they provide little calories: 90 calories for BHB salts with the maximum 3 drinks a day and 360 calories with BHB esters for a whooping 83 USD a day. BHB esters are fasting complient, I don’t know for BHB salts.
They are hard on the stomach and the bowels and will not prevent carbs cravings on the second and third day of a fast. It’s just not enough calories. Plus, if you could get enough calories from it, it would completely defeat the purpose of the fast. Your body would not be forced to do any of the changes that occurs in a fast and you wouldn’t get the benefits.
The “easy” way is to go ketogenic for 3-5 days prior to the fast so your body has already flushed the carbs. Better would be to be ketogenic (or carnivore) for 3 months and when you fast everyday is a normal day, except with an empty stomach. I last fasted 3 days and never had low energy, cravings or anything. I continued to do weight lifting and work and was full of energy all along. this is due to burning fat reserves instead of the fat I eat everyday. The body does not get low energy or tired but it does trigger the beneficial fasting effects.
