Need your advices

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#1

Hi guys , i’m planning to cycle tribulus/tongkat in the comming months , although i have a general idea about some of the best brands out there , i’m still undecided and there’s some constraints

Initially i wanted to try Mediherb tribulus as many users have reported good results whilst using the product but it turned out that the product is much less accessible than the other bulgarian brands (vemoherb tribestan ) and often requires prescription or online consultation , which made me think that i may have to settle for vemoherb or tribestan , anyone’s got some opinion on the matter ? is vemoherb/tribestan as effective as mediherb ?

Re tongka ali i’ve found 3 brands which people have recommended on this forum :
1- TKA1:200 Users of world abs
2- Tongka ali from Source Naturals (Eurycoma Longifolia)
3- Lost Empire Herbs Tongkat Ali

Has anyone in the forum tried all the 3 brands ? which one is better in your opinion ?

Thanks for your help

#2

Has anyone got some advices ?

#3

You wouldnt want to hear my advice, but dude…Save yourself the trouble and money and let it be…I tried Mediherb, Vermoherb, a very expensive tongkat ali and every other supplement on the book…They all did nothing…The only supplement with some potential would be S. John Wort, but the benefits lasted for a week and then disappeared and never came back…I know this is not the answer you are looking for, but it is the truth as it is.

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#4

I’m just trying to upregulate my ar sensitivity prior to the HCG treatment , who do you think is best out of the brands i’ve listed ? @silentpain89

#5

Bro… things have been tried by many others here (including myself) with little to no effect at all. In fact you have better chance that those things will make you worse, but I know the urge that you have to try something. So why don’t you take the survey huh? You got a bigger chance that the 5 min survey will do more than those herbs that have been tried and cycled countless times.

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#6

I’ll take the survey later , i was just a bit lost the last time i checked , anyway can anyone give me a proper answer on the questions i’ve listed above ? thanks …

#7

I’ve tried the last 2 brands, both with no succes. Also did 3 kind of cycles with the Lost Empire one. Small dosages / High dosages / In combination with Chinese herbs of which I can’t remember the names of…
Didn’t do anything for me, if anything it made me a bit fuzzy.
But be carefull, I have become worse thanks to herbs etc. Now I can’t specifically say which ones made me worst cuz I’ve tried a lot. And I mean really a lot…
That saying I think that a drug like finasteride can only be battled with something equally as strong. In the sense that the chemical compound needs to be on the same concentration and level as finaseride.
That’s why I think that things like Proviron/SAGA/HCG and stuff like that has a waaaaayyyy bigger chance of actually doing something than herbs which you can buy online.
But that’s just my 2 cents, and what do I know… I was stupid enough to believe a doctor and take finasteride, so don’t take any advice from me :smiley:

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#8

Thanks for the reply , in what way it made you worse ? which sympthoms have worsened after you took herbs ?

#9

Well killed the libido I had left and my erections became weaker to the point that I couldn’t even have an eretion anymore.
Now I just take it easy and am off any herbs for like a year maybe now, and I gained some erection functionality back. But only a little to the point that I can mastrubate like 5 minutes but always right before te deed is done it gets soft again. So haven’t had a normal full on hardon orgasm in years now… fuck me right…
So yeah… my advice is don’t take useless herbs that have been tried before. And if you really must do something I suggest you take like 1 pill and see how you react the next 2 weeks. If it does nothing then I guess it’s useless to continue.
I’d say the best option is leave the herbs and take on something stronger, or do research into drugs that could potentially be a ‘‘cure’’.
In any case the survey is the most important thing to do, every persons data is yet another victims evidence. Strength in numbers or so they say. Eventually they won’t be able to get around it when there are a lot of us. But only if you people take the damn survey.

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#10

So Apr1989 was probably cured more by tripotrelin than tribulus do you reckon ?

#11

Well… 1.: If he was cured, and, 2.: If he had PFS (also depends on what his sides were). Than I think it’s more likely he recovered from the strong stuff than from the weak stuff.
But as you can see there are a lot of if’s… and that’s why we need more research to even know the root cause of PFS and why it affects everyone differently. I’m really hoping the Baylor study will shine some light on that. But that may be the hope of a fool.

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#12

yeah here’s some advice from someone whos taken those herbs before

dont buy them

rumors are baylor study will drop in september, we have a way better chance of making progress with our condition with that potential info than any herb

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#13

What do you think of a combo proviron + tribulus ? not sure many have tried it here

#14

same bro

save the money and potential risk

the stuff thats helped someone, has also hurt someone else

the study is huge for legitimate progress if the rumors are true, i cannot stress that enough.

#15

A cure will require a lot of studies and a lot of time , we’re forced to take calculated risks in the meantime

#16

The study will give you better data for calculated risks

Right now there is no calculation.

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Body responds negatively to androgens
A long-term PFS sufferer says he is cured from the disease after undergoing this protocol
#17

As mentioned earlier, I’ve taken Tongkat Ali (Malaysian ginseng) in the past @160mg/d. It’s one of the few herbs out there that’s actually backed up by scientific studies. That said, it may not prove helpful to everyone and may actually be counterproductive to those with low(ish) estrogen and/or low(ish) SHBG levels. It works by unbinding Testosterone from SHBG and thus increase free T. It also has the potential to lower estrogen, which results in higher androgen to estrogen ratio.

You can minimize the inevitable risk that comes with any sort of self-experimentation by starting with the lowest dose possible and gauge your outcome(s).

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#18

What makes you believe that you know how to ‘upregulate AR sensitivity’? What evidence do you have to show that it even would happen? You say it with such confidence as if you’re working on a car - changing the spark plugs or the engine mapping.

#19

Some studies have supported the claims although we can’t be 100% sure of course

#20

Thanks for the clarification , what about vemoherb/tribestan do you think it’s as effective as mediherb ?