Red meat can cause ED. No thanks.
Ei man im in the same boat as you, 4 days and today i broke it unaware. Starting tomorrow again, this carnivore thing is huge thing for us, please keep report I guess if you follow good the diet again you will be back to 99.9% soon
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How are you doing man? Im in the first day of my carnivore/keto diet. Will share results. Did you also eat low carb veggies? Or was it plain meat without garlic or onion…
I hope you are doing fine, fingers crossed 
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The fact that he is basically unresponsive on this site is probably a very good sign that his recovery is continuing to improve.
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Carnivore diet, is carnivore … there is lot of information on the internet… autp inmune is greatly improved while on carnivore thats one thing for sure.
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I’m on carnivore again and after 3 weeks am noticing some sincere improvements. I really think being in ketosis and reducing your diet to just meat (basically amino acids), salt and water - puts your body into a state of real healing. It turns on the “opportunity” for the body to correct itself, and the longer you remain in ketosis, the better the symptoms seem to balance themselves out.
What truly sends me over the edge is: hot yoga and the sauna. Yoga puts me into a state of deep relaxation and changes my whole brain. Especially when I do hot yoga and focus of pelvic stretches to reactivate the muscles around my prostate. My libido comes back, as well as penis sensitivity - I’m starting to have orgasms like I used to which are just as enjoyable as ever. It sounds strange, but when when I do pelvic stretches, it’s as if I’m flooding the area with blood and ‘cleaning’ out the area so to speak, and this seems to turn things “on” again. I find myself having the urge to have sex and fantasizing, just like my old self. I truly think stress reduction is a major major aspect to all this. I’m a completely different human being a for a few days after yoga or a series of multiple sauna sessions with pelvic stretching. Can’t theorize too much about it, but it could be that our adrenals are so fatigued post FIN and we are in a constant state of debilitating stress that we just get used to after awhile. The body has not had a real chance of healing.
I can also concur - I’ve tried everything under the sun on here. The 100’s of supplements all made me worse or maybe two days of improvement, the Tribulus was hit/miss, amino cycling, clomid, Test, etc did nothing. If you look through the forums, you’ll see I’ve seriously tried it all…It seems like absolutely nothing I do has any real true affect on me anymore, I just remain in baseline with zero libido, sensitivity, ED, depression, anhedonia, etc.
The only thing that has had a true & honest change for me is the following:
- Carnivore diet (strict) - like ONLY high-fat Meats and tons of water (bone broth, eggs are fine - carnivore can be really fun w/ cooking a lot of neat meats). This is the main thing that helps. The idea here is to reduce your food intake to just the very bare amino acid essentials and eradicate any foreign substances that can cause potential reactions (like veggies and sugar etc). The goal is to lose weight, lower inflammation, and stay in ketosis for as long as possible. You’ll feel great after 3-5 days.
- Mix with BHB salts (helps me get into ketosis), Butyrate, and Inulin. Also taking Biogaia L. Reuteri probiotic. Carnivore gives you a great chance to rid your body of bad gut flora and get some really healthy bacteria in there.
- Hot Yoga - 3 times a week. I go to CorePower Yoga and do there hot sculpt class.
- Sauna as much as you can.
- After a few weeks of being in ketosis/carnivore diet, start light work outs. It’s important not to push it to the max and add more inflammation and stress to the body. You just want to jump start your testosterone cycle with a short weight lifting session and some light jogging.
- Relax, go to a Korean spa and check out their saunas. Just try and chill out and focus on eating high-fat, high-quality meats and avoid high-pressure situations. I was always skeptical of other users saying that de-stressing was a major aspect of their healing, like “OK, wow - yea I’m sure reducing stress helps a lot, duh - we’re all stressed out of our minds. But that can’t be it… there must be something physically going on that we need a supplement for, what will some simple relaxation do?” I completely get it now. When you are ACTUALLY physically de-stressed, your whole body descends into a state of change. There is something that happens in the brain, the dopaminergic/serotonergic system starts to re-activate and you start enjoying little things again, particularly libido wise. It really seems like FIN did some serious alterations to our nervous system, that true physical relaxation helps mend. This doesn’t mean just sit on the couch, or meditate for 15 minutes, you need to push your whole body into a state of stretched-out calm - what really works is going to hot yoga for an hour and stretch out all your muscles, with a good detox sweat, and escape your mind. Your body will enter a state of deep “zen” give your brain and psyche a chance to breathe.
- Sleep - try and focus on getting as best of sleep as possible. I know this is a major problem for most. When I’m on carnivore, my sleep does improve drastically. The body seems to want to rest. Do what you can to sleep 8 hours, this is your bodies time to heal and when hormones play a major role.
I’d be curious who doesn’t notice a sincere improvement after doing the above for 3+ weeks. I don’t want to sound ultra confident, and what’s definitely true is that this syndrome affects everyone in such different ways. But putting your body in ketosis for 3-4 weeks WILL affect you in some way regardless, the benefits of which you’ll just have to see. I can safely say your body goes into a state of tranquility and healing that seems to kick-start my brain and penis again. It’s really unreal. I don’t want to say this is a cure, but after years of messing with pills and random protocols, this is the ONE thing that seems to shift the needle in a positive direction and provide me an avenue for change. I see actual PHYSICAL changes to my penis, I wake up with morning wood, I come home with a genuine urge to jack off, I have moments of real masculine calmness come back to my brain and walk a little taller. My body starts going through changes again (just like it did right after FIN), as if it’s making attempts at healing or resetting itself again. At the very least, it provides a window of opportunity to maybe introduce pills (Trib, etc) or other protocols that otherwise may not have had a chance of working. What else is interesting: every time I get off carnivore, I notice the benefits stay. Meaning I don’t fall back to my original baseline - there seems to be an unmistakeable change to my body, particularly my penis, that seems to retain even when going back to a normal diet. Once I realized this was the case for me, this became my go to protocol.
I’ll keep reporting back, but just wanted to share this for those that want to try.
Quick Note/Warning on Carnivore: As with anything keto - the carnivore diet can be dangerous if you don’t take it seriously and not stick to the diet plan. DON’T eat all meat for 5 days, then have a big pasta dinner/ice cream on Saturday, then go back to eating just meat. This is will do way more damage than help, and crank your cholesterol through the roof. You need to truly eradicate all foods except just animal meat/fats. And train your body to not rely on carbs and sugar. When you do little cheat days like that, your body will combine the carbs/sugar with animal fat to create bad cholesterol and clog your arteries in a way that’s way worse than a typical American fast food diet. If you’re going to go on carnivore, I would only recommend it for a month - 3 months. Some do 6, but you just need to read your body. But whatever you do, don’t do it half-assed with a bunch of cheat days. This is not only dangerous for your heart, but can make all your problems worse. I’m not a nutritionist, but have read a ton on Carnivore and tried it myself multiple times, so please do your own research and learn, for yourself, how the diet - if done right - can have some nutty benefits for the entire human body.
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Wonderfull POST, I will recommend after 3 months on carnivore everything you said, and I will add that the best meat is Lamb/Beff organic with lots of Fat. You will feel bad if you are not taking anought fat, that is going to give you the energy to your cells. Also The more fat you eat the more ketosis the more benefit. Also remember that ketosis is a demythelatin agent.
Can anyone recommend a site or book or anything on how to do the carnivore diet? I know it’s basically very simple, but for tips on what kind of meat to buy and how to prepare it and make it taste good etc.
Hey @vkg1 - I found this decent breakdown - https://carnivoreaurelius.com/carnivore-diet/
But I would recommend getting a lot of information under your belt from multiple resources, best to understand the ‘why’ behind how it works. It’s effects on auto-immunity issues, inflammation, the gut, mental effects, it’s effect on hormones. There’s plenty of information around ketosis and it’s effect on the body as well, particularly around demethylation.
I’ve been mostly carnivore with only low quantities of a few low carbs veggies like cucumbers and lettuce for a year and a half and almost all symptoms are gone. The only major one left is insomnia, but I manage to sleep with meds and herbs.
I concur that it gives lots of energy. Digestion is good, skin is radiant and it’s so easy to fast: no energy loss. I even continue to lift weights and do cardio while fasting and it’s fine.
I could make a long list of symptoms that went away, as well as extra benefits I never had before but I’m done doing long posts. I just want to raise my hand and say “it has worked for me too !”
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could be that pfs had properties of an autoimmune disorder or is related to gut bacteria.
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I am beginning to hope that the majority of PFS symptoms might be addressed just by reducing inflammation a lot. Findings/Dx from a MR Neurography study of the pelvis in a PFS patient
It’s going to be so hard for me to do, but I have to try at least keto if not carnivore. Aside from waiting another 20 years for enough people to get fed up with PFS enough to get serious about making research happen, keto or carnivore does seem like the only thing there really is to try.
It’s going to be so hard for me because ai basically have 3 full time jobs and have no idea how I’ll be able to both spend more time eating and more time cooking, but this seems like it’s clearly the most potentially effective not to mention safest thing there is to try. Thanks so much to Ozeph for all he has shared on here about his experience.
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I’m on a carnivore / ketogenic diet for a while. My main problem is insomnia as you have mentioned in your threads many times.
How did you manage to achieve a deep sleep during night? Which herbs are you using as a sleep aid? I wake several times at night and tend to pee more often than usual. Sometimes I’m considering to do some carbbackloading with potatoes or white rice but I haven’t done it so far.
Did you followed the carnivore diet very strict for 1.5 years? Or did you enjoyed a cheat meal from time to time? (Especially for social events)
When I do a prolonged fast for 24 to 48 hours I can sleep like a baby afterwards and wake up more or less refreshed.
Btw, sorry for my english, it’s not my first language
I eat no carbs during the day, only meat and fat, but I’ve been experimenting recently with eating a potato with butter (no protein) at bedtime and at least 4 hours after having had proteins. Deep sleep has remarkably improved.
The problem is if I get up to pee during the night, the night is over. So in the past I was avoiding liquids after 6 pm, but now with the potato I more often need to pee because of the water in it adding to the water to wash down the pills.
I take Valerian extract 800mg, Hops extract 800 mg, Lemon Balm extract 400 mg and passion flower extract 400 mg on one night, and on the other night I replace 400 mg Valerian and 400 mg Hops with 60 mg Silexan (lavender oil) along with the other herbs. Being quite insomniac, I also take hydroxyzine 12.5 mg (anti-histamine) and Clonazepam 3.25 mg on top of that.
It’d be quite a knock out for any one, but for me it just gets me 5-6 hours of uninterrupted sleep and the rest of the night turning and tossing around. I’m rested and have good energy during the day.
This being my last symptom I believe it has to do with Cortisol and Nor-Adrenalin. The potato brings my insulin up and lowers the Cortisol. I believe that’s why I get better sleep. I’ll try with rolled oat (a slow carbs, low glycemic) to see if it can last me longer before I begin to toss around.
I can’t believe I’ll be writing this, but there exist a super low fat, low protein, very high carbs diet that seems to yield similar results to the carnivore / ketogenic diet, at least in terms of diabetes, strokes and heart attacks as well as weight loss (no idea if it helps with pfs or other epigenetic diseases like some cancers). It’s completely plant based.
The diet consists of large amounts of white rice, fruits, fruit juice and white refined sugar. No added fat except from the traces of fat in the above mentioned elements (less than 5 gr) of the diet and very few protein (25 gr.), the rest is 565 gr of carbs.
I’ve been eating almost exclusively meat and animal fat for a year and half and I think I would die if I tried this sugar diet. Nonetheless, the lady in the video below claims it might be helpful for those who don’t get good results from carnivore or ketogenic diet. It’s the other end of the spectrum !
I don’t know what to make of this, but at least it shows the studies and the reason why fat has been having a bad reputation. It looks like it’s the combination of fat and carbs that makes people sick. We need proteins, but it seems going high fat no carbs, or high carbs no fat are two viable solutions. Juice fasts makes more sense to me now (not that I’m going to try it anytime soon !)
Anyway, here’s the video:
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where have you read that ketosis is demethylating? from what ive read its a DNA modulator. i care about this because i am an undermethylator so i may be taking methyl donors and actually be causing harm
https://oxfordmedicine.com/view/10.1093/med/9780190497996.001.0001/med-9780190497996-chapter-23
I have read it, and I know one person that declares himself cured taking BHB as demethylators.
Are you referring to moonchild or is there someone else as well?
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I’m going to be trying bhb and butyrate alongside a keto diet at the new year. It I’ll be impossible to start the diet right now during the holidays but I’ll
Begin January 1. Already received both supplements. Will post updates here
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I wish you luck, i suggest full strict carnivore diet instead of Keto. The plants and veggies can still cause inflammation in your body. It is not a hard thing to do, you will adapt fast. But don’t cheat and stay strong. I really wonder your results. Hope everything goes as planned. Remember we are the most damaged yet strongest persons on earth with PFS.
@Belikewater (Yeah is it Moonchild or someone else?)
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