What i am doing now to try and get back to 100%

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#101

I think the more Wellbutrin the more dopamine… at this point i think i reset my endocrine system and i just have a dopamine deficiency. but what do i know…

Status update - its been almost a week now and i have been up and down libido wise from a lot to none over the last few days but i can get it up 100% without viagra hard as a rock.

now the first couple of days i was getting random erections to the point it was embarrassing but now im not and the first couple of nights i had sex dreams and now i am not so there is a chance the wellbutrin is getting a tolerance granted…

here’s my current regimen

100mg of Test-C 1xweek

2mg doxazasin/day

5.4mg Yohimbe 3x/day

150mg Wellbutrin XL /day

12.5mg Naltrexone /day

500mg L-Tyrosine

500mg L-Phenylalanine

Vitamin B complex 1x/day

Positive attitude and constant reminding myself that I am depressed and i need to stop being depressed. when i think about my dick i have to remind myself that there isnt a naked chick in front me of and i shouldnt be aroused its normal to not always be aroused.

all day i was thinking i didnt have any libido but then i got home and popped on a porn and my dick got hard as a rock barely touching it and i was way into it so i did in fact have a libido when necessary

if only i could have done all this 1 week earlier and not blown it with the girl of my dreams :frowning: oh well like Jay Z says On To The Next One

#102

arg. okay fuckers. last night my libido was through the roof but i couldnt get a solid erection :frowning:. i woke up in the middle of the night with an erection but no morning wood this time and its hard to get it up to porn right now… sooooooooooooo im looking back at what has happened and what may have caused the 6 day recovery. i still have my normal size when flaccid and it doesnt feel dead and some massage gets it to about 50% not zero%. I am speculating but I think I could get it up just fine with Viagra right now

While I was doing the whole shrink thing, I hadnt injected any testosterone in a while like 10 days and it left my extremely fatigued during that weekend. Then I only hit 100mg of Test instead of 200mg because my dick was working i figure its not the testosterone. Also I got hammered wasted on that Friday night after the shrink session and my first dose of Wellbutrin in a while.

I feel like it has to be one of the 3 things:

  1. Wellbutrin did it - its the dopamine. I need more dopamine. I will test this by taking 2 150mg today for a total of 300mg Wellbutrin XL and see if that results in the same type of improvement. If it does then this is what is happening.

  2. Something to do with the fact that I was depriving my body of androgens for a few days and it was forcing my HPTA to reset or re-sensitize to androgens or something. If the 300mg of Wellbutrin doesnt work for me then I am leaning this way and I think I will just not take any more testosterone. As scary as that sounds because I was literally laying around with ZERO motivation to do anything over the weekend but my dick worked great. I guess I will just hold off on anything and let my body restart. I am also debating what I do here to remain functional in life or to speed up the process… (clomid? nolva? Hcg? I have an abundance of all of this on hand). I guess I can just take a madical leave from work for a couple of weeks and homebody it up…

or 3) some sort of breakthrough that occurred in the shrinks office or some other type of fluke…

EDIT: Theres a 4th I thought of. Both times I had a one week recovery I had gotten belligerently drunk that weekend…

#103

ok I took the 300mg of Wellbutrin and I got spracked and it felt good but it did not improve EQ so I guess its on to plan B - androgen deprivation - forcefully restart - Which is what the original plan was but I got too pussy to do it. I guess thats what homeboy did with the HDrol and also I read in a bodybuilding forum that a guy was talking about getting caught in a bad hormone loop and he ran a cycle of test for a few months then took a bunch of clomid and nolv and said he was good as new. Not sure if we are just in “a bad hormone loop” or what but I would like to see if thats the trick. I wonder if I should just deprive my body of DHT instead of Test or if I should even avoid the hcg and nolva and clomid and just force my body to do it itself - i am just worried about my job etc

“You don’t want to suck dick at fucking pussy!” - Seth in Superbad

#104

Since you are already treating your sex hormones, why don’t you also take some pregnenolone? That would increase your cortisol output, which would increase your metabolism, which would increase your Testosterone metabolism, i.e. it will make it easy for T molecules to enter the receptor and trigger its androgenic action, at least according to the theory of one of the administrators at musclechatroom. You can read more here: http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=27

I think that the fact that you, together with a lot of other people, are feeling better when drunk is in agreement with this theory, because alcohol increases cortisol output.

So, although I am 100% sure that any sex-hormones treatment won’t work by itself, we’ve seen a few recoveries where these treatments worked if done together with cortisol and thyroid treatments (JN, Dury).

#105

This confirms that if you boost your sex hormones, your body realizes it and doesn’t like it, and therefore it takes some sort of counter action. In your case it decreased your metabolism (cortisol + thyroid), which gave you zero energy. Remember that with low cortisol or low thyroid your testosterone won’t work and any improvement will be short lived. To get out of this stable hormonal loop, you may really consider to boost your cortisol with pregnenolone.

#106

I don’t think that’s the right link. Can u confirm?

#107

Sorry buddy, I meant this link: http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4784&start=0

#108

whats up guys

okay so its has been about 20 days since my testosterone shot. i have been taking Hcg during the interim and stopped a week ago.

Energy has been horrific and focus bad too. tons of fatigue and no motivation hard to get in the gym . lots of sleeping. its my favorite hobby right now.

However today is my first day of PCT 50mg Clomiphene and 20mg Tamoxifen for 30 days (or depending how i feel longer). again this is inline with the theory - stuck in a bad hormone loop and need to not just restart but shut down and restart. i am definitely shut down.

Today I had horrible anxiety 30 mins after I took the stuff and a hot flash so bad i had to leave work. I have a gentle ache that comes and goes in my nuts (which are almost back to full size now). I had a decent libido and my ex was over here and i got mad when she didnt want to get down. i ended up ‘helping myself’ instead and found that i had good EQ (not perfect but satisfactory [i was also on 10mg of cialis]) and lots of sensitivity and size and lots of ejaculate - more than in over a year

we will see how this goes i hope the worst is over…

#109

You are not taking pregnenolone, huh? (or you are taking oral, or you are taking a microscopic quantity)

Yep, you totally haven’t taken pregnenolone. This is what happened to me when I was on clomid – and I was not taking pregnenolone. The pregnenolone was being stolen by the (simplified) pathway: pregnenolone -> testosterone
and, therefore, there was no pregnenolone left for the other (very simplified) pathway: pregnenolone -> cortisol

And, therefore, I had symptoms of low pregnenolone and low cortisol: brain fog, anxiety, fatigue, etc…, which are exactly the symptoms you have. But I was taking a very small quantity of clomid, while you are taking tons. So, for you this “pregnenolone steal” effect will be worse.

#110

i have some oral and some topical. no i am not taking it right now… i was but i fell off on TRT when I started taking it and it spooked me. i understand you feel that I need this. How do you know is what is happening “the prenenolone steal”? have you tried another run of Clomid with pregnenolone and you didnt have the sides?

#111

What do you mean exactly?

I tested low on saliva test for free cortisol when I was on clomid, despite the fact that raising T should raise cortisol. My T levels were a lot higher than my pre-fin T levels.

I introduced pregnenolone at some point while I was on clomid, but the effects were very limited. I was taking way too little obviously (30 mg/day), but back then I didn’t know anything. If I could go back in time, I would talk to my doctor about taking a higher quantity, such as the one I’m taking now (>100 mg/day).

#112

What do you mean exactly?

last time I took Pregnenolone I lost my recovery

#113

I think I am getting worse. Had some shrinkage yesterday and couldnt maintain an erection at all… i think its the SERMs. This is weird because when the size had returned and it was EASY to get an erection it was 2-3 weeks following my last testosterone shot where I probably had very very little testosterone at all in my system… Maybe the SERMS estrogen qualities are messing me up or maybe its creating more testosterone and t hat is what is messing me up. I am debating discontinuing the SERMs altogether and just dont take anything at all. Also severe fatigue seems to onset when I am getting good erections just as of note…

I wish I knew what to do right now :-/

#114

I know it’s hard, but try to focus only on the non-sexual symptoms, which are easier to diagnose. We know you have fatigue, which is caused by low cortisol in 99.9% of the cases. Pregnenolone may help; hydrocortisone would most likely help, but you need a dr’s prescription.

What else do you have? Brain fog? Anxiety? Racing heart? Depression? Other?

mmm… do you really think that you would be cured forever if you hadn’t taken it? Anyway, you were on TRT, now you are on a Serm – a completely different deal. I told you about my experience with clomid: simply put, my pregnenolone was stolen by my testicles in order to make T, and I was left with too little to make enough cortisol.

#115

I have both pregnenolone and HC… only side left is ED except for fatigue here or there due to coming off of the testosterone

#116

Good, then you should talk to your doctor about trying HC to get rid of fatigue. If you are in the US, then I suggest to take some transdermal pregnenolone, which is an over the counter product. As I already wrote, I was taking too little pregnenolone (30 mg a day) while on clomid, so don’t be surprised if you don’t feel anything with a small quantity. Nevertheless, I cannot advocate large quantities of pregnenolone without a dr’s supervision, as it is an off label use.

#117

Allow me to clarify - on clomid and nolvadex, i dont have fatigue. The fagitgue set in when I was ( I assume) completely out of testosterone in my body. However at this same time, I regained my sexual function. Sorry if I wasnt clear earlier

Right now I have dead dick again. This sucks. I can get it up like 70% when I really try but I can just tell its all deflated down there again. i can get it up on cialis okay but its not SUPER its just satisfactory.

I wonder if its just the clomid and nolvadex? or i wonder if it is just the low testosterone cactching up with me? I wonder if in fact my testosterone is high again while on this stuff and this is the result?

I am thinking of stopping the PCT. It almost seems like the testosterone helps then hurts. Im so confused about what to do right now. If testosterone is what is messing us up and its being converted wrong then maybe NO testosterone is the answer. Many memebrs here have not done TRT but they still have normal levels of testosterone. I will have NONE since i was taking Test-C 200mg - 500mg a week for about 7 months. I have taken some hcg and my nuts are back to about half size. I will be able to truly deprovate my system of testostereone… I wish I knew what to do… siiighhh

#118

iwontgiveup

thanks man for sharing. don’t be disappointed your efforts will not waste. We are learning from your experience.
how long have you been off of T-injections?

Now all of our experiences with TRT or other herbs pointing that problem is at cellular level. It has noting to do with HPTA. Maybe we have got tolerance to testosterone like diabetic people do? I wish we knew the cause, even if we knew I don’t know if we can fix this problem easily?

sps

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#119

i have my libido back and it feels great. i feel like everyday i feel a little better sexually and physically and feeling like the old me again.

I had some testing done and the doc said that all my amino acids were super low like someone who was fasting and my DHPPA was super super high. She gave me digestive enzymes to take before I take any protein. She wouldnt give me antibiotics she said to take GI MIcrobX and then 60 days of a priobiotic stuff.

Im still taking:
50mg of Clomid/day
60mg Toremifene /day

GI Microb-X

2000mg of Choline Bitrate
200mg B1
1000mgB12
500mg B-5
3000mg of Acetyl-L-Cartinine
1000mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid
150mg Wellbutrin /day

I had no libido at all and 0 sexual function as recently as a week ago and every day I am improving a little bit.

Basically doing a master PFS PCT haha
Its gotta be one of 3 things that has messed us up-
Digestion problem/“opportunistic organism” - Took the Antimibrobials and am under a MD care for the rest of the Probiotic treatment
Endrocrine - “Bad hormone loop”- so I ran testosterone for 7 months and shut myself completely down and now I am taking the SERMs to PCT correctly
Nueropathy - The nerves that control sexual function were killed by a foreign substance and the Vitamin B and ALC and ALA to heal the nerves (infowomanhrt.tripod.com/EDcureALC_ALA.html) and also referencing a thread you can find by googling “so you think your HPTA is shut down due to ED and libido” and this guy took the choline and his regimine and there isnt anything else from him so I guess it worked for him

look at the second attachment for DHPPA results under malabsortion/disbiosis

#120

still going well?