What i am doing now to try and get back to 100%

Whats up my fellow sufferers,

This is my current protocol. I have tried most all of this in certain capacities but not in this exact regimen. [Size=4] I have NO ED - None.[/size] My dick blew this chick away the other night and it was on. I am horny, confident, i can sleep and think straight. I am making everyone laugh again its great. My body has regained its shape and I look good and healthy. I have a good attitude. DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY GONE.

[Size=4]I GOT MY SWAG BACK.[/size]

This chick says “wow - where did this come from? you were always so quiet… now you are like…wow… i had no idea you had so much game lol”—then you cant understand the rest because her mouth was full

Here we go:

150 mg Wellbutrin XL daily
450 mg of Testosterone Enanthate every 2 weeks (sometimes i take it after 12 days or so if i can tell its wearing off because of my libido/reduced effectiveness of Viagra and Yohimbine and it take 3-4 days to work after i inject this sludge)
5.4mg Yohimbine 3x day (returns all sensation to my penis which i think there in lies the libido)
1/4 to 1/2 PDE5 Inhibitor as needed (usually around 7pm)
Visit with psychiatrist every 2 weeks
REMOVED 99% OF GLUTEN FROM MY DIET
Focus on stress relief. This link really helps - lindaland.com/stressbook/page1.htm
Take trace minerals 2x day
Whey protein with BCAA every morning

I am still pursuing a “CURE” but this is my treatment plan for now that has returned me back to 100% normal which i am okay with at this point.

Now some of you gonna reply about whats wrong with what I am doing. But thats cool. Go ahead and hate while i go fall balls deep in some OC sleez

I am back and this works PERFECTLY so far. If it stops working fuck it I am back to square one. I was ready to kill myself. Again I tried a lot of this in different combos but this is the one that works. Its great. Anyone that wants to get their life back this is for you. Just wanted to share this because I know how I felt before and how I feel now. I am so happy again.

Peace

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yohimbine? Or you may have been celiac. Pde5 inhibitor? Mentally/brain fog, maybe wilbutrin?
Good on you anyway. Hope it lasts for you mate.

I wontgiveup, glad as of Oct 12 you have made significant improvements. However, I’m a little perplexed by the above considering your previous posts below.

Can you outline what changes you made to your regimen since posting the below (where you state certain treatment protocols were no longer working), that has made such a significant difference within a few weeks? I don’t mean to micro analyze but this will be of benefit to others experiencing similar issues.

Cheers.


On Aug 11, you stated:
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On Sept. 1, you stated:
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On Sept 14:
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On Sept 19:
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That’s a lot of stuff!

ok sure.

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I have the exact same symptoms. I have tried increasing Testosterone but it only works somewhat and it is temporary. I think this is because of the increse of estrogen also making worse and worse every time.

I tried doing everything from 150mg a few times a week, 250 once or twice a week and none of it did the trick for me. I think I need a big dose to get the motors running again so to speak. And even at 500 every 2 weeks i couldnt get it up all the way rigid most of the time. its the yohimbine and wellbutrin. i think they they work synergystically because wellbutrin is dopamine and norepinephrine re-uptake inhibitor. The Yohimbine is an alpha blocker. It basically blocks the nor epinephrine from going below the waste. When he suggested I take it all day every day I told him that it wont fix anything just help cover up and he says that he wears glasses every day for the rest of his life because it fixes the problem… Also regarding the estrogen I have been taking DIM occasionally and Nolvadex. I guess I forgot to include that. But usually by the 5th day I will get pretty bloated so I from about day 5 - 8 I take 10mg of Nolvadex and it levels me out. I take it only to combat estrogen symptoms and try not to take it full time but it might not be a bad idea. Basically i noticed that my symptoms match the side effects of someone taking an androgen receptor blocker and that blocks the estrogen receptors. Also it seems like in hindsight I would try for example 200mg of testosterone and feel better then let myself fall off. THen when I would go back for another 200mg it wouldnt work and I needed more. I got myself up to 450-500 at once and decided not to let myself fall off again and it just hold it and it seems to be working.

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I also was at a point where a PDE5 inhibitor was working with the testosterone and now it no longer works. just like everything else related to testosterone.

I think that I wasn’t taking enough testosterone here. Or I was experiencing low points in a “cycle” when the viagra stopped working. There is basically a sweet spot which is about 4 days after injection to about 12 days from the injection of testosterone. There is a direct correlation between the dose of testosterone and the girth of my penis, erect or not. For instance at about day 13 i can get it up fine but it isnt as big. I am still figuring out an exact protocol but I mainly have been going off what I feel and how well I sleep. About day 13 I cant fall all the way asleep again and as the testosterone kicks in I am back on track sleeping like normal.

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Considering JNs thread where he got better then fell back off, my experience, and basically everyone else who gets everything working then falls back off

One thing I think of is the stress here. That is one of the most important changes I have made. I addressed the stress directly. I went to massage parlors and put lavender in my room and office. I did the deep breathing exercises. I did a colon hydrotherapy which was gnar gnar. I started taking the protein and minerals per that link I posted about stress. The idea I have is that we stress out so bad and that puts us in a fight or flight mode as described in the link attached. I like the link because it is very informative and it doesn’t have anyone trying to sell me anything. You will notice that a lot of the symptoms on there may sound familiar and could be responsible for some of the sides we have. Like perhaps we have something wrong with the AR, they have become desensitized and causes mad ED for us and hypo-gonadal symptoms. Then we trip the f out and stress out and get stuck in fight or flight which is all of the weird like muscle spasms and shit… Then running around doctor to doctor telling us we are crazy just makes everything worse. I mean I was real good, I could spit game so well! A mouthpiece for days and I could rock a chick and backup my game but then when I fell off I was devastated. My life as I knew it was over and there is no way to expect any amount of testosterone to pull me out of that deep funk of depression and stress. So maybe the testosterone wasn’t helping enough because I didnt address the depression and the stress first. Now that I addressed that part then I can actually appreciate the benefits of the TRT.

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No response to TRT is something you bring up. Whenever I take testosterone it doesn’t do too much for my dick. granted. but it never fails to put 5- 10 lbs of muscle on me.

Still a bit of a puzzle for me is why does it take so much for my dick to work better but not as much to put on some muscle but that may lie in a deeper cause i dont understand related to the metabolism of the testosterone. I also took a 30 day cycle of T3 but i dont attribute anything to that. I wasnt taking any wellbutrin or yohimbine when the testosterone wouldnt get me hard. I couldnt believe that a little piece of viagra would work so well all of a sudden when i was taking 100mg with grapefruit juice until my vision was gone and i was seeing mad tracers but my dick wouldnt work. now just a small piece is all i need. No more manipulation for 20 minutes to get any feeling in my penis. Now just pants can make my dick feel good which turns me on and gets me hard. I kissed a girl and my dick got solid as a rock before I even took the viagra (I think I probably couldnt have held the erection without the V though) and I remember thinking "Oh My gosh! I remember this! " When everything is working you don’t have to touch your dick at all to get it up.

Am I concerned it may only work temporarily. Sure. I have that thought in the back of my mind I guess usually at around day 13ish and I am reminded that I am secretly not the baller big pimp I think I am. But from days 3/4-11/12 I dont think twice about even having this horrible disease. And on the “off” days I can still perform I am just not earth shattering.

Whats in store for the future is that I am still looking to find the problem. Maybe I just need some more of the treatment. I am waiting for my organic acid test to come back. I also started taking a Mitochondria renewal kit that my doctor gave me who said I probably burned my mitochondria. I also have 100iu of HGH in the mail which I am hoping that a cycle of 1iu per day will increase my IGF1 levels and perhaps reduce the need for the treatment. I also have an appt with an “outside the box thinking” endo who “likes a challenge” and “has experience helping transgenders” on the 14th and a pending urology appointment where I am going to tell the doc to give me a script for testosterone instead of me using internet testosterone. So I guess is what I am saying is that I know that this is not a cure and there may not ever be one but I am still pursuing a cure and using this treatment plan for now. In other words I am wearing glasses every day now to see until I can get my lasik surgery.

iwontgiveup:

Do you get spontaneous erections?
Any improvement in size down below?
Are you not running hcg and if not have you had ball shrinkage?
Any other improvements from TRT like muscle, facial hair growth?

Bro I salute your determination as ever and congratulate you on your deserved success, hope it keeps up - literally.

Do you get spontaneous erections? YES
Any improvement in size down below? YES
Are you not running hcg and if not have you had ball shrinkage? NO HCG ANYMORE AND YES
Any other improvements from TRT like muscle, facial hair growth? YES

He’s using a NDRINoepinephrine Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitor(Wellbutrin) + Yohimbine(which I’ve had good results with in the past)

The NDRI allows dopamine to pass through the brain barrier. Wellbutrin is one form of NDRI, Ritalin is another(more powerful I believe).

Iwontgiveup,

Are you thinking about lowering your Testosterone dosage back to 200mg and see how you feel? Did your doctor mention L-DOPA to you as well…If you continue to do well, great…if not, then L-DOPA may give the consistency your looking for I would think…

Also, you might want to consider taking SMALL dose of arimidex if you are going to be on TRT for life…Make sure your doctor does blood tests so you dont drop estrogen too low…

Congrats, the protocol makes sense, in my opinion…I’ve always thought this drug crashed our neurotransmitters levels somehow. Perhaps temporarily offsetting thyroid or the temporary increase in estrogen that finasteride causes could of threw everything off…

Great news! This is a brightful day for everyone of us to see a second guy today (after Durin) who is doing well!

(I particularly appreciate your pictured language :wink: )

A curious thing is: even that everyone of us had the same secondary effects (to some extent) as the result of 5 AR2 inhibition, I haven’t seen yet TWO people improving with the same protocol. I agree everyone is different, but it’s strange to need different things in order to repair the same damages in the same pathways…maybe it just relates to the very personal adjusting of each person following the drug and the withdrawal of the drug…

Annon,
I am thinking about dropping the test down to the point i dont have to deal with estrogen sides. my expereince with Anti-E would be negative. I would completely lose my libido after a few days of Amomasin in any dose. But the nolvadex doesnt keep the aramotasing from taking place it just blocks the receptors which is what it seems like is going on in some capacity with my AR. But really at 450 - 500mg every 13 days lets say is about 38mg per day of testosterone.

So I am going to stay away from the anti-aromatase for now. I havent spoken about any L-dopa other than I tried to take HGHup before and it didnt do anything and that is supposed to have it or something. Might be something to look into …

Y-C,
Agreed. This is just what works for me right now and I feel so good I have to share it!

iWontgiveup

Great news and hope it continues.

Im also wondering… are you now on TRT for life? Did you get testicular shrinkage? Has penis size increased as well?

Thanks and congrats again.

are you now on TRT for life?
i hope not the goal will be to come off of this when we find the root of the problem and i am continuing this search but if i have to do this forever because this is truly a permanent desensitization problem that is irreversible then i have the ammo i need to face it now

Did you get testicular shrinkage?
yes, they quit hanging all low and sucked back up where they are supposed to be but they are smaller. lets see big dick small balls…or small limpy dick weird big low hanging balls…decisions decisions…:-/ not the toughest call ive ever made…especially if you see the talent where i live

Has penis size increased as well?
yes sir back to big boy status

If you want to work it all out natural then i would come off test sooner rather than later cos the longer you stay on the less chance you have of bouncing back to normal test levels.

Consider a restart of hcg for 3 weeks and 2 - 3 months of clomid and nolvadex. Then see where you are at.
I recovered using a herbal restart, it took about 5 months.

Howver i think your recovery is more to do with yohimibine and wellburtin than test. If you were natural i assume this would have caused you to gain back sexual function. What were your test lvels before going on TRT? If they were normal then i doubt test is the limiting factor. That stress link is very good and it has helped me too. Being relaxed is essential for good sex, thats why busy stressed married housewives / moms hardly feel sexy.

Congrats Iwontgiveup…I’m really happy to hear that this protocol is working for you.Could you please tell me how long it took for you to feel a “boost” from Wellbutrin.I ask because I just started on 150mg/day yesterday and was wondering what to expect.
Interestingly I tried a 2mg Yohimbine capsule last week and felt awful all day…headache,fatigue etc. but zero boost in hornyness or erections.
Thx for any info :slight_smile:

Im on the T3 cycle now. So far its done exactly jack for me. Maybe T3 to get throid ticking up again THEN the TRT as you have done. Maybe that is the trick.

i read that wellbutrin takes 4 weeks to kick in but i felt it right away i guess it varies man… and yea the yohimbe sides are gnar gnar you could take like 10-20mg and your dick could be hard as a rock. at 5.4mg i dont really feel the sides except the sensitivity in my penis and it stays more rigid

Thanx man…I’ll give the Yohimbine another shot at 4mgs and see what happens.I’m feeling a boost on Wellbutrin…but it’s only day three so maybe it’s just a placebo thing.

Wontgiveup,
what brand of yohimbine are you taking? Is it prescribed or otc? Are you taking brand name welbutrin or generic ( buperion ). I read that some people feel that the brand works a lot better then the generic.
And I’m curious…what were your test levels before you begun to supplement it?

Here is a link to an article in prevention magazine, where consumerlabs tested generic wellbutrin against the brand, and found some abnormalities with some of the generic brands. Just thought I would share this.

prevention.com/health/health/healthy-lifestyle/are-generic-drugs-safe/article/ca929d93636d6110VgnVCM10000013281eac____

i am taking a prescription from the compounding pharmacy because all of the Yocon is discontinued due to the fact you can get it over the counter.
i am taking the generic wellbutrin

before i took test my levels were in the normal range 500 - 700 and 800- 900 on clomid but the only i have felt normal is when my circulating testosterone is out of sight above the normal range.