iwontgiveup,
How are you feeling? Are you maintaing your results?
iwontgiveup:
Did you have problems with the other sexual treats we get when we quit like reduced ejaculate, watery ejaculate, less intensity of orgasm, sexual anhedonia etc and if so has this regime overcome them?
life is good my friend
yes and yes
i had more than just sexual anhedonia i had life anhedonia
Good to hearā¦Keep it up!
sobā¦ and thats a wrapā¦ 
i fell offā¦well not everything
just the ED came back, I get a morning wood but its weak. i can get an erection but its hard to sustain ā¦really hard to sustain.
i got my blood lab back from my Endo my testosterone is over 3000 (out of a range of 300 - 1100) . its crazy. my DHT and Free test are out of range high and so is my E2. Which makes me think I need to lower my estrogen levels ā¦ im at a ratio of 45:1 i read you need to be about 50:1 but who knowsā¦ so now i am trying to control the estrogen.
yup the ED is back and some anxiety related to ED but no other sides are present. i think i would probably have other sides and not have ED
Damn, that sucks. Temporary set back Iām sure. I was gonna try wellbutrin and TRT too. Iāll reconsider the TRT but its hard to resist. I remember last appointment with Shippen he said you get to a certain level with TRT then you become saturated then you basically go right back to where you started. Maybe a combination of the āsaturationā effect along with too much e2?
Is it crazy to think that flooding your body with T ācouldā somehow turn your receptors back on over time? Like the story Jacobs tells about his thyroid patient. He āfloodedā her with thyroid hormone and eventually her body resensitized. Apples to oranges to some degree I understand. Is there any scientific proof for this at all or am I way off base?
Definately stands to reason you might be suffering from too much e2. I am taking a natural e2 blocker - Calcium D-Glucarate. There are quite a few other over the counter e2 blockers. Maybe try one for a month or so and test your e2 again?
gl
okay well the answer sure isnt A LOT of testosterone
I am reducing my E2 and letting the T wear off and then Im gonna run a solid PCT and per a post I found on meso - where the guy was stuck in a bad hormone loop he says he ran a cycle of test prop and then 6 weeks of clomid and nolv and then was okay by the 7th week. he had a few thousand posts. so i know i am shutdown now per my last blood test LH and FSH <.7 so its on. I shut myself down and now PCT time I guessā¦
Did this guy use finasteride? Because theres āshut downā and theres āfin fuckedā two different things.
no he didntā¦ he just had normal labs with no libido and no sexual function and tried a bunch of stuff and didnt work and then did that and it worked ā¦ but no not fin in particular ā¦
This thread needs a new name 
. Sorry mate couldnt resist that one.
Good luck man
ive been hammering myself with things to reduce my estrogen and in the mean time at my normal time to hit the 500mg of test-e . this time i hit 200mg of test-cyp yesterday, in the interest of either beginning my taper off and also to give less to aramotase but hopefully level out my testosterone:estrogen ratio
last night i couldnt really have sex but tonight everything worked much betterā¦ not 100% but a HUGE difference id say im at 82% compared to when i wrote that i fell i off i was at a 30% for erection quality (3 days after the 500mg of test-e)
maybe taking some arimidex may helpā¦Since you are on TRTā¦
Gonna be ups and downs, Iām sure youāll get back there. If your able to have sex I think your doin alot better than most of us. Might see a big improvement just getting e2 down a bit. My total T has been rising but Iāve really had no changes in sexual sides, still shruken up, ED, etc. Iām sure the rising e2 isnt helping me. It was 37 about a month ago. Have you talked to your doctor about your recent setback, what does he/she think?
the only real thing that i have done differently is that i stopped teh T3 because i didnt think ti was helping. on the day i was doing better i took a t3i found in my carā¦ i think that was the missing link actuallyā¦ i am going to not take the t3 for a few more days then start on it again (doing the same thing with the testosterone levels as i ahve been except now only 200mg/wk) because obviously 500/wk wasnt the trick. . . if i notice a huge difference on the day i take it then that must be itā¦ but then i guess i fear falling back off from that like JN did and shutting down my own production
I think when I started this thread, looking back at my notes that that was right about when I stopped taking the T3 thinking it didnt matter and it was only the stuff i listed in my protocol when in fact it may have been the most important part. ive been horny as hell on testosterone but taht penis to brain feeling i think comes right from the T3ā¦ those are my thoughts at this point
I could change the thread to TRYING to get to 100%
Iāve been on T3 for about a month but dont really feel any changes. I think it makes me sick to my stomach. Maybe it was the trick for you. Shippen said he has one other on it and no change from him either. Iām personally leaning toward staying on the low dose clomid , getting rid of the t3 and maybe trying an e2 blocker and oxytocin. Dick is shrivled up big time last couple of days. I have Depo-T from Jacobs but Iām a little apprehensive to sky rocket my TT with nothing at all to control e2.
just dont take too much test. 200mg/E2weeks and you shouldnt have to worry about E2 too much. Ill bet 3 days after the Test then then your dick will grow back!
Damn, your lips to Godās ears my friend. But Iām not banking on anything. Enough energy to deal with day to day responsibilities for now and Iād be happy. I dont have oral T , I have depo T shots. The script would be for 1 ml every 21 days. My TT was up to 687 about a month ago right before clomid so Iām guessing it should be a bit higher now. I think Iāll run another lab and talk with shippen/jacobs before I decide. But , very very tough to not try it nowā¦
Oh, and gl iwontgiveup. Youāll get back to 100%. Dont change the thread title just yet. 
Iām back!
I think I figured it out.
Here is what I think is going on. My (our) estrogen/testosterone ratio is out of whack and that is it. No crazy mutations.
I found a site Griffin Medical where they site that estrogen will act as an anti-androgen by blocking the AR. So the estrogen is blocking the AR and then I take more testosterone that cant get into the receptor sites and now its just circulating and turning into MORE estrogen. and so the cycle continues and worsens
I got some help from this dude on Meso and he has been suffering with estrogen management for some time now.
at 200mg of testosterone i regained all function for a week and then it wore and every time i needed more. when i started this thread i was at 450-500/wk and i lost all function and everything shriveled up eventually.
so per this dudes advice i started taking anti-e. he is taking arimidex but i have aromasin so i stuck with that. basically i took a big dose of it until my wood returned. i cut my testosterone down to 200mg/wk now with 25mg of aromasin/day.
according to this guy if you drop your E2 too low then your dick will completely die also! So the trick is you take the anti -e until you get your wood back and then until you lose it again then stop taking it until the wood comes back then take half dose and hold steady.
and guess what it works. my little friend is back with less than half the amount of testosterone. i had to be patient and wait about 3 weeks on the anti E regimine. i had a crazy vivid sexual dream for the first time in 18 months. dick works great and feels great
also had a new thyroid blood test after my 30 day t3 cycle and my reverse t-3 is back in range and has been out of range and in range when i had no sexual function at all so i can confidently say its not the thyroid at all. also cortisol in range.
currently taking the following regimen:
150mg wellbutrin XL /day
200mg/wk test -C
12 - 25mg Aromasin /day
800mg DIMPlus / day
3 - 4 Omega 3 Fish Oil/day
Probiotics daily
colon cleanse a few times a week
Viagra/Cialis as needed
and just started vit B-1
also, anonnn and boston thanks for you nov 8th post where you call it out
Dude, I wish you good luck, but I donāt think itās going to work forever. Other people have tried this or similar treatments, unsuccessfully.
Almost all member stories taught us that our body doesnāt want to āseeā any androgen response, and if you fight against its wish, it will fight back, with all means it has (T, E2, SHBG, Prolactin,ā¦). If you lower your E2, you are going to be fine for a few days, but then, some nasty change will happen. For example, SHBG or prolactin will start rising. And if you manage those, your body will use other mechanisms (lowering neurotransmitters?, gene silencing?) to make you feel like shit. I truly hope you are going to disprove me. Nevertheless, arimidex and other anti-E2 meds are probably among the most effective drugs for PFS and PSSRIs, so who knows?
If this treatment stops working, you should get new blood tests to see if any hormonal change has happened.