That’s great news man…hope you keep up the good work(no pun intented…lol).What would you suggest as a safe dose of Arimidex to go along with 150mgs/wk of Test Cyp?
I think the idea is go as low as possible without going too low. So whatever u take u gauge your morning wood and when u get wood in the morning you keep doing it until u lose wood then stop for a day and drop the dose in half.
Ok…but here’s the thing…I wake up with wood that quickly fades away.I don’t get the classic morning wood where you walk around with a boner for 5 to 10 mins and gotta bend over to pee.I haven’t had that since Fin screwed me up.I guess I’m lucky that I get any kind of nocturnal and morning wood at all.So I guess a dose of 1/2 Arimidex twice weekly might be a good start?
are you having ED? I dont really know how to advise you man i am just telling you what i found out and what i am trying because i wasnt getting any wood at all :-/
Actually yes I got serious ED.Zero spontaneous erections and very weak sexual erections unless I pop a Viagra.I’m trying not to use the Viagra more than 2 or 3 times a month cuz I’m afraid it might stop working.Sucks for all of us…hope this Dr.Irwig is able to figure out a treatment plan.
To the best of my knowledge Dr. Irwig isnt researching any treatment plans. He is just confirming the side effects. Your best off with one of the PFS docs. In my opinion Awor makes the best case for a possible cause and treatment considering what we already know.
at least viagra works. if i could get to a point where just viagra worked again i would be stoked
okay so I have basically been going by this theory moving forward
griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html
When there is too little testosterone present, estrogen attaches to testosterone cell receptor sites throughout the body and creates many problems in aging men. In youth, low amounts of estrogen are used to turn off the powerful cell-stimulating effects of testosterone. As estrogen levels increase with age, testosterone cell stimulation may be locked in the “off” position, thus reducing sexual arousal and sensation and causing the loss of libido so common in aging men (94, 99, 259).
My current regimen:
200mg Test Cypionate every Friday
25mg of Aromasin ED
150mg Wellbutrin XL ED
15mg Pregnenelone topical
DIM ED
Fish Oil ED
B1 ED
Magnesium ED
I am kind of noticing that the healing process is really moving forward now. Its kind of like 2 steps forward 1 step back every week. I have much more good days than bad days.
I have 100% of my libido back now. Exactly like before.
I have my swag, my personality, emotions. Size and sensation of penis has completely been restored.
Without any Viagra/Cialis I still have ED. I can get a 60 -75% erection without it and it was good enough to have sex with but it wasnt the best ever. Right before I came it got to 90+%. On Cialis I have 5% ED maybe if that. I would say its perfect but it seems like i can lose it if i wait around too long just not back 100% but really damn close. Almost every day is better than the next.
The other thing is that I am making sure not to be beating off too much because that will throw everything off. I remember even when I was 20 if I beat off a few times or banged my chick too many times in a day my penis could end up pretty dead for the rest of the evening… So I make sure to take a day off whenever possible. Not sure if you made the connection - but yes - I am horny enough through out the day to beat off when i get bored and still want to get laid later 
And life is good my friends. I didnt even log on this website or think about it for a week straight. I only logged in today to tell everyone how I am feeling on this regimen.
Hey mate, did you stick to the gluten free diet, from the first protocol listed?
It’s great to see you doing well mate, it’s just a shame you have to take so many things. I wish you the very best.
Have you used any of the bodybuilding/ mens health forums for advice?
the gluten free diet is no more
Are you self-medicating the Wellbutrin?
no i get it prescribed
i think i am getting a strong handle on this.
one question - Is there any record of someone crashing then running just an Anti Aromatase as PCT? I am thinking this might be the key
I have been messing around with my Testosterone/Estrogen (not really by choice) and I am learning what happens when you have too much or too little E2.
When I first started my ARomasin after a few days I could almost get it up all the way without Viagra for about 2 days then it got worse and worse. I kept thinking i was too high in E2 and was pounding the aromasin.
I knocked my E2 down to 1. I lost all size and sensation in my penis. I couldnt get it up even 1% and everything fell apart for me. I took some Test C, 200mg to get my E2 back up after discontinuing the Aromasin.
4 days exactly after I took the Test-C I still couldnt get it up all the way and I took 20mg Cialis and 100mg of viagra and 10mg of yohimbe and i still couldnt. But when I woke up I had such a huge erection I couldnt get it down!!
I had sex twice in a row with no trouble everything GREAT! By the end of the day I was having trouble getting it up again. My E2 had gone too high and I lost it. I think well I didnt get a blood test so how do I know? Well I took 1/2 an aromisin (no more full aromasin they are too strong!) and I woke up at about 5 in the morning because my dick hurt from pressing up against my drawers!
I can get it up about 75% with no viagra and I am feelin it out to see if I should take another 1/2 or wait until tomorrow
This makes sense because when I first had symptoms I got a shot of Test-C from a doc who didnt do any tests and it cured everything for a week then it all went downhill. I must have made it worse with the Estrogen. When I was taking 500mg of Test E and couldnt feel it, my Estrogen was over 65 (looking back at blood work).
Now the question is how do I manage this and get back on track again without the TRT
current regimen:
200mg Test-C /week
12.5 mg of Aromasin as needed
150mg Wellbutrin XL daily
i wonder if someone who gets the symptoms can just take an Anti-E until the symptoms go away
That would depend if the person’s body was producing an adequate amount of free test.Taking an anti-E on low levels of Test might cause more problems IMO.
I am taking 200mg of Test E / week (switching to Test C soon), 250IU hCG / 2x week, 300mg of Wellbutrin XL, and 2IU Growth Hormone (HGH) / day. When I first started the Test E and GH injections my erections and libido went through the roof! (see my post in Member Stories). I thought at first I found the cure, but after the 6th week I crashed hard. This was also about the time I started the hCG. Could it be the hCG cause my T levels to spike and therefore my E2 to spike? Are you planning on maintaining your HPTA with hCG while on TRT?
Anyway, I am suspicious of high E2 and having labs drawn next Wed (1 day before my Test E IM). It is very difficult for me to get labs ordered through my doc and I really had to convince him to order the tests listed in the recommended labs. He didnt think they were needed. I have also read on Dr. Crisler’s site (musclechatroom.com/forum/) that too high E2 can cause a crash, or too low E2 can cause a crash, so I believe you are on the right track here. The members on that site recommend an E2 between 20-30. Do you know what is yours now with the 12.5 mg? Any reason you are using Aromasin and not Arimidex?
I just got some Aromasin from him today and was planning on a starting dose of 25mg, but after reading your post I think I will start at 12.5mg (Thank you!). Question, do you think I should wait until after I get my blood work done next week to get a good read on my actual E2, or should I start the Aromasin now and see what it is after 5 days? I really want my game back!
BTW: I have also had GREAT success with 200mg Test E and Cialis, or at least until lately.
Actually, I may start my dose at 12.5mg EOD as recommended in this thread on Dr Crisler’s site - musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15834
Here is an excellent post on controlling E2 with Armidex using labs and morning wood. I am planning on using this same methodology with Aromasin - musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15790
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How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.
What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it’s the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can’t get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.
The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.
Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.
I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.
I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.
So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It’s best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.
I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.
So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.
Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.
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Larry, I STRONGLY Recommend you WAIT until you get your LAB BACK.
I already made that mistake and went the wrong way. Find out where you are then you have an idea where you stand.
I wanted mine back too and then went the wrong way so learn from my mistake
Agree, definately wait to get your labs back. There are also natural wasy to lower e2 you can try first. ie, exercise, limit your dairy, cut out alcohol, increase fiber and eat more organic. We’re all in a hurry to get our game back. But beating PFS is gonna be a marathon, not a sprint.
Sorry, I didn’t look at your post first. I took a 12.5mg dose before going to bed that night and had mind blowing sex the following night. I mean the BEST sex I have ever had (or at least remember). I took another 12.5mg dose this morning. I feel 100% better! High E2 was absolutely the cultpit. I kinda suspected E2 because I had all the symptoms, bloating, depression, and complete ED. Now the trick is, not to go too low.
Anyway, I got my game back!!!