Well said. That’s what makes this so tricky! Wish I had some answers.
okay so i was so filled with anxiety that i made an emergency appt with my shrink. we asked me why i stopped the wellbutrin and i told him how i thought it wasnt working anymore.
i went there with dr mariano and dr goldsteins information and explained how i had saved up $1000 and asked if he could help me pick an expert. he told me to save my money. that was his advice and it blew my mind i was like help me doc why wont you help! he said I am trying to and you wont listen! we had a very intense conversation about what is going on with me and it ended up with him saying yeah It is in your head I dont mean you are crazy at all. i mean that for example your arm moves when you think about it right? well you could break your arm and it wont work and something can happen to your brain and now you cant tell your arm to move. well your arm is fine its in your head something has made it stop telling your arm to work. you need to accept you are impotent now before you can regain function again and to trust him. and i broke down and was bawling in there that yes i accept it. it was huge. he wrote me a script for wellbutrin again also naltrexone and cymbalta and yohimbe. i havent taken the cymbalta but i took the wellbutrin after the visit and went on with my day.
i woke up yesterday morning with 100% complete libido and function no ED everything working fine. Today same thing. I feel great…
I’m happy for you, and for everyone of us! 
Let’s hope you go on the same!
What does naltrexone are you taking? Also what brand? I’ve been interested in this for awhile but it seems that the low dose has to be specially formulated.
dude honestly im thinking the thing that switched everything is the counseling and the major depression disorder thing. ithink we all have horrible depression and without curing that we cant cure the ED . depression meaning some sort of dopamine inbalance or something. i highly recommend seeking some wellbutrin and counseling?
also that friday that i had the session and took the welbutrin i went out with some friends and got hammered and just had a blast. something i hadnt done in a really long time…
i feel completely cured im like wow am i cured? but then who knows maybe i fall back off in a couple days again after some stress at work who knows… but as of me writing this on sunday at 1155 PST i feel 100% perfect. and looking back just 2 days ago i was bawling in my shrinks office and a week before that i couldnt get it up with a perfect 10 laying there naked…
so this would be the second time this year i got to the point i felt completley cured and i am trying to think of the coorelation between the two. the only other thing i can think of is when this happened before i was in a breakdown point also and it was when i first starting seeing the shrink. i felt so good like i was cured that i stopped going and everything fell apart and i never got back until the anxiety and depression was just too much and i went back to him because i was losing my mind…
lol wtf is this thing
that being said the naltrexone is 50mg but i just break it into quarter and took it but i dont know how much that really has to do with anything -. my thought behind the naltrexone was that i used to abuse pain pills back in the day for a couple years and maybe that had something to do with it all…
I’m starting to believe there are some of us that truly are being held back from recovery because of a mental block. I do not think this applies to all of us- I think physical symptoms like shrinkage, etc. are hard to put in this category. But I do know the power of the unconscious mind and have always wondered about whether that is a major factor in my personal battle. (All is fine with me except for ED and libido.) However, there are a few other aspects such as no morning erections, very very few nocturnal erections, etc. that have me still scratching my head.
Can I ask- at your low points, did you have morning and/or nocturnal erections? In other words, were the unconscious erections still happening- just not the spontaneous ones (plus libido)?
what is your wellbutrin dosage?
no at my low points nothing at all which is why i always think it physical. but it isnt physical. i can make my dick hard with this shot the plumbing works fine. im thinking im so depressed that the chemicals just arent doing what they are supposed to do… i used to do A LOT of drugs and shit back in college and then the poison was just the topper. it can explain the shrinkage because if you are so depressed that the dopamine levels are null you wont have any tumescence either. you need dopamine for an erection… anyway i cant explain any of it really im just trying to put coorelations together.
Lets be realistic here - We either have something soooooooo wrong with us that we are all screwed and no one has any idea in the whole world what to do and fuck it we are done. or we are sooooooooo depressed that we cant get it up and by sitting here coming up with theories it has become an obsession where we feed into the impotence and thus the problem persists. and depression causes ED thats not a secret. the gyno and all the other stuff was probloms from the propecia but then the depression is what triggers the crash …
looking back thats the frame of mind i have had at all of my brief recoveries too …
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Wow. It’s thread like this one that help to keep us away from the medical help we need.
Great news that PFS is a psychological problem. I guess if I just cheered up a bit, my beard would start to grow again. If I just exercised the power of my unconscious mind, the wasting of my thigh muscles would be reversed. And if I remain positive, the aggressive androgenic hairloss I had before Propecia will re-start: it’s only my mind that has caused it to stop.
Mew, seriously: you need to lock this stuff behind some kind of wall. The forum has done amazing things to help our cause. But it’s starting to hurt it. We can’t have this nonsense all over the internet while we trying to win the attention of credible scientists.
I don’t think that’s necessary. Everyone has their own experience with PFS.
I do agree in part. I mean, when i read that it also made me think “WTF” but im happy for the guy.
Personally its couldn’t be less psychological for me and most others. I mean, i IGNORED my reduced libido ffs. 100% physical. I don’t even have to qualify that, really.
It does boil my blood when people compare us with the likes of this guy. It’s unevitable with almost anything of this nature, though.
I do agree that this guy’s story might be a very, very rare occurance for most PFS sufferers, and that most of us do have a real PHYSICAL issue we are dealing with. But I also think there are probably some of us - esp. those with just libido/erection issues and nothing else, who owe it to ourselves to closely examine this angle- since it is the one thing out there that is already proven to cause libido/erection issues.
I personally don’t think it takes away from our conversations here, but rather adds to them. To create a distinction between sides that may be mentally driven and those that suffer real, physical sides, is important and only ADDS credibility to our cause in my opinion.
My two cents.
The idea that there are researchers out there who might be analysing the forum, then take a look at some random thread and say ‘nah these guys are nuts, let’s forget about looking at this’ is inifitely more stupid than anything iwontgiveup has posted.
This forum exists for mutual support and case studies, the impetus for wider medical attention will come from the lawsuits and studies such as Irwig’s.
Actually, this thread perfectly illustrates the PFS problem: iwontgiveup has thrown high dose TRT and everything else at his ed and libido loss. It worked for a while, which is even unusual for most of us, then fell off dramatically, the usual response to TRT.
Well I partly agree with the former. But seeing as there has been no thorough medical research into this problem WHATSOEVER in over a decade, it could be that there is some method as yet unknown for allowing androgens to work again, even if it also means going on TRT for life.
There is all kinds of work going on to bring medical professionals on board. This type of thread doesn’t help. I’m not saying that people shouldn’t be able to say whatever they want. I’m just saying it should not be public facing. This doesn’t strike me as “infinitely stupid”.
That part does do a good job of illustrating the PFS problem. The part where he goes into his psych’s office, bursts into tears, then wakes up the next morning cured: not so much. It’s the second part I’m talking about.
iwontgiveup
Sorry I can not agree with you even .00000000000000000000000000000000000000009%.
Depression does not describe,
how my TT and DHT got out of normal range (lower than the limit)?
why I did not respond to TRT but got instead negative sides?
how I lost suddenly muscles (25 lbs)?
how I changed from “He man” to a “girlish” looking boy?
how my thick beard changed to very thin velvet like beard (in 3 months)?
how my pubic hair pattern disappeared?
How my chest got fat (maybe little gyno)?
How I developed severe brain fog ,where I hear people but don’t listen to them?
How I got constant nausea and intestine (duodenal ulcers) ulcers?
Depression has nothing to do with low RBC , low Vit D3, Iron etc?
pale hands ,anemia and low metabolism?
If you or your doctor has answers to all hows above then yes I will agree with you.
Please stop these all nonsense. There are real sides. I have no energy, no wish, no interest in any thing in my life now. I am literally dragging my body everyday to my work to earn bread for my family. When home I am just lying on couch. can not do any thing.
I am scared I can be kicked off from my work any time because I have got learning disability. My boss has become annoyed with my weaker memory. sometimes he has to describe things many times. Many times I forget to finish my job properly.
In fact looking at my weak physical condition my company (my boss) offered me sick leaves which I refused. I was scared of harming my self or my family while at home.
Sorry for this all rant but if you feel well, it is good for you.
sps
So, you don’t have ED anymore because of counseling? And not because of Wellbutrin? Right…
I can’t believe that some people say that “he is an exception” as if he was cured. He’s not cured. The wellbutrin -the true cause of his feeling better- will stop working in a few days. That will confirm that he is not an exception. In fact, it will confirm that he is just like all those other post-fin sufferers that tried Wellbutrin.
i took wellbutrin again that night too. okay then put it like this for you guys - My dopamine and noriphephrine levels are out of allignment and the wellbutrin allows the testosterone to regulate correctly with the NOS required for proper tumescense.
wtf do you want me to tell you … i will probably fall back off … then will you guys be happy? if that was truley the answer?
There is some chemical imbalance occuring right? we dont know what… and most doctors call it DEPRESSION
Symptoms include:
•Agitation, restlessness, and irritability
•Dramatic change in appetite, often with weight gain or loss
•Extreme difficulty concentrating
•Fatigue and lack of energy
•Feelings of hopelessness and helplessness
•Feelings of worthlessness, self-hate, and inappropriate guilt
•Inactivity and withdrawal from usual activities, a loss of interest or pleasure in activities that were once enjoyed (such as sex)
•Thoughts of death or suicide
Look back at my threads and my posts. you cant tell me I havent been trying EVERY SINGLE ANGLE! I just spent $179 bucks for that testosterone metabolite test at meridian valley and it all came back high. And the only times I have “recovered” has been when I have had this frame of mind. When I am trying to beat the endocrine system I suffer worse and worse. So WHAT IF depression is the answer… are you so closed minded that you would rather suffer than explore that road too? Thats what I figured. And if it works it works fuck it I am a good lookin guy good shape i want to bang chicks again and stop being miserable.
One thing that pops in my head too is what if the only real thing that is working is the Wellbutrin and its dopamanergic effects - dont know if you read that story about the guy who took deca and had the same symptoms as us but he was taking bromocriptine. One thing I am thinking is maybe i fall back off when i get a tolerance to the wellbutrin… its a possiblity but for now I am going to keep a positive frame of mind.
How about we call this thread a new name THINKING POSITIVE CURE DEPRESSION and post appropriately as so.
right…thats what i am thinking too i hope that isnt the fact but it might be :-/ i never claimed to be cured. but i can tell you that all day today i had erections throughout the day and my dick feels normal for a change …
SPS - I think there has been a real endocrine problem that our bodies correct it but then our depression is too much to recover from the ED . agian i dont fuckin know dude i am just posted on my thread
Lidido starts in the brain. Wellbutrin is a Dopamine agonist. Used with TRT, can upregulate dopamine further.
Dopamine could be the missing piece of the puzzle, but not the only missing piece…I guess it depends on the individual.
Is there a difference between 75mg to 150 mg of wellbutrin?