sAME is supposely one of the best natural anti depressants out there without side effects.
Joe, please reconsider taking antidepressants. They are nasty, nasty drugs. In fact there’s a website for SSRI victims similar to this one(paxilprogress.org). Go check it out and ask them what they think of citalopram… I know there were some users of it back when I frequented the site. Go there, sign up for an account, and ask them.
Just to let you know, I was prescribed a similar drug, Effexor, at the age of 19 and basically had 7 years of my life stolen from me. These drugs are full of side effects, they alter your perception of reality, dull your emotions(not just the negative ones), and neuter your ambition. Not to mention, for some people the withdrawal from them is HORRIFIC and similar to that of cocaine users, complete with all the symptoms of long-term post-acute withdrawal syndrome. Some people get crazy, months-long withdrawal after only taking them for a few weeks.
Also, similar to propecia, the sides can creep up on you over time, and once you realize they’re there, you can’t get off the drug because the withdrawal is even worse than the side effects, which is exactly what happened to me.
It took me a full 15 months to get to a point where I felt recovered after quitting Effexor. And that was my THIRD attempt at quitting(The first two were both 6 months long and unsuccessful). I still don’t feel my cognitive function ever fully recovered.
And that’s not to mention the way these drugs alter your behavior, emotions, and perception of reality while you’re on them. There is no such thing as a “chemical imbalance” as the ads say-- these drugs simply turn off your ability to feel profound emotion, or to see the world for what it really is. That is why they’re so versatile in “treating” depression, anxiety, and other mood problems.
Don’t trust your doctor with this one. They love dispensing their toxic drugs, and what the pharm reps tell them is the bible. Most docs have never even heard of a withdrawal syndrome for quitting SSRIs, just like most haven’t heard of Post fin syndrome. You’ve already been burned once… don’t make the same mistake again.
It has side effects for some people. I took it back when I was in college and it made me feel so awful I couldn’t stand it more than a day or two.
Thinking about it further, I can’t help but wonder if the effects on my HPTA of taking Effexor for so long predisposed me to PFS.
An interesting thing that is listed as a RARE Effexor side effect is enlarged prostate. When I was on Effexor, I had noticeably increased difficulty starting a stream through the entire duration of usage, and this subsided largely upon quitting, but I never quite felt my urinating ability got completely back to normal(but I was never sure). Perhaps Effexor enlarged my prostate? Maybe my prostate was already swollen a bit from the chronic Effexor use, and now propecia has sent it over the edge, which would explain my extreme prostate symptoms compared to other users here.
Again, I urge you to stay away from these drugs Joe. Live as clean and healthy a life as you can, and if you are depressed, seek counseling and work through your issues(though I realize it might be difficult to find a counselor who will believe your propecia story).
Thanks Cantsleep, I pretty much agree about anti depressants although I do believe for many people they are great. As I said, I am going to make it clear to the doctor that I will only take Wellbutrin and Wellbutrin only if he wants me to try an anti depressant for a month, which is why I want some documentation on it. People on here have tried it for sexual side effects and I have heard of some success.
I can’t believe I’m in this position right now, it’s almost like one big joke, I would rather diabetes or something so that at least then doctors would be able to find something and treat you. It’s been 5 months now and it’s hitting home that this is getting real.
Acceptance. I am 5 months off just like you. I’m in the acceptance phase now. I kept believing that I was going to recover and realize that I was just in denial. After a few fleeting glimpses where I thought I was recovering, it is clear to me now. I have a permanent disease that I will have to deal with like diabetes or paralysis from a car wreck etc. My body is completely out of control right now. I was recovering for almost a month and then my prostate blew up and I went into two weeks of relapse, then I had a period of three days of recovery, followed by a complete relapse, complete with shrunken testicles, anxiety etc.
The only people I believe antidepressants should be prescribed to are those with hopelessly extreme psychological diagnoses. I disagree that they are “great” for many people… they are mind altering chemicals that distort your perception of the world, and allow you to ignore the resolution of the problems causing your depression. That is their method of action. People often don’t realize how much their thinking and behavior is altered until after they have stopped taking these drugs for a while and have had a chance to look back. It can happen so gradually, you don’t even notice it, and then suddenly you are no longer you anymore.
Again, go to www.paxilprogress.org, sign up and post there telling them your story, and asking them what they think of Wellbutrin or any psych drug you plan to take and what the potential dangers are. You owe it to yourself to cover every base before you start a psych drug. They are not to be taken lightly, despite what your doctor may think.
Like has been suggested previously, if you must take an anti-depressant consider a natural one like St John’s Wort or SAMe. sjwinfo.org is a good resource for this… keep in mind that not all brands of SJW are created equal. For many people SJW has had a profound effect on their depression, and some studies have shown it to often be as effective as an SSRI.
But if you’re hell bent on taking a drug with insomnia, impotence, and sexual dysfunction listed as side effects, when those are the precisely the problems currently destroying your life, then there’s nothing I can do and that’s the last I’ll say on it. Good luck with whatever you try.
You must feel a lot worse than me then, because I aren’t even close to accepting this as a lifetime disease. Are you totally impotent?
I think your getting a bit over the top here. Why don’t you do a quick google search on Wellbutrin? it is used for guys having trouble getting erections. It’s not like the other anti depressants and is known to be the only one without sexual side effects. I checked out that forum and it just looks like general discussion on them, it’s not a hate site towards anti depressants is it?
Guys have tried Wellbutrin on this forum, and although I haven’t seen anybody get cured from it, nothing bad has really been said. Anti depressants save people’s lives, it’s a double edged sword.
Obviously he has been warned (multiple times) and it is his choice - joe if you do it let us know how it goes
Joe,
No, I’m sexually functional. I can always get it up with varying degrees of hardness and longevity. My body is out of control though. All over the place symptomatically. Muscle loss, fatigue, sunken eyes, now anxiety which had completely gone away, hair is falling out quickly???, libido small or none but varying, abdominal area massive fluctuation, genital size massive fluctuation, etc etc etc. Its tough when you think you are recovering and then go back to square one. That is just a marker telling me that this will be with me a looooooong time. With there being no documented cases of recovery, I can just work on acceptance I guess. The only case you can take with any validity is ‘reason’
Hey, I’m in the same phase right now. My symptoms are fluctuating by the day it seems. Except for the prostate blockage which has just gotten worse. I have an appointment with a uro tomorrow, and if he isn’t going to offer me help with my hormone problem, which I’m convinced is what’s causing my enlarged prostate, then I’m going to try and make an appointment with Dr. Shippen and drive up to PA, though it might be a wait of 2-3 months. Now that you’re in the acceptance stage, have you considered going to see one of the “big four” doctors listed on this site? If there’s even a small chance they’re going to be able to help you, it’s probably worth it rather than seeing all these random endos and uros who have no clue.
Mines out of control like that, but accepting this as a lifetime disease? fuck that. I don’t mean to upset you, but you will probably never get better with that sort of thinking.
I’m assuming your not very worried about the sexual side effects if you can always get it up then?
There isn’t any documented cases for any of this shit, never mind recoveries, AND there is more than just reason’s recovery and if we are to believe that there are other sufferers of this out there, then there are definitely more that have recovered. The people still hanging around on this forum are the people that still have complaints.
If you have had surges of recovery then I think it shows that nothing is permanently damaged.
It is actually used for guys having trouble in the bedroom.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion
I know what your saying, but I’m anxious as hell anyway and I could probably do with something to relieve some of it. Are you guys all just against Pharmaceuticals altogether now?
no. i simply wrote that because it is your choice to do what you want and i (personally) do not want to continue reading back and forth conjecture about whether or not you should use it. people have made there case against it, and people have made there case for it in other threads. if you want to do it, just do it.
That’s fair enough, and I will definitly update this thread on anything that I use in my pursuit to get better. Wellbutrin aside, there are two other things that I am prepared to try:
. GHB
. Baclofen
. Clomid
Moreso GHB, If anyone wants to discuss these, PM me. I am particularly keen to hear from others that have tried either of these two, or are taking either of them now. After reading online outside of this forum, it is quite clear that GHB could be very helpful indeed, let alone seeing the recoveries on this forum. Baclofen I don’t know much about, I came across it on here and have read some bits about it elswhere - I can get it very easily though.
Before anyone kicks off, I am well aware of dosage and withdrawal issues of both of these drugs, before I try anything I will have a solid plan of dosages and a way of weening off.
This is what someone has most recently suggested on Anabolic minds:
"Try some DIM Plus 8 per day and some tamoxifen 10mg /day along with the SA and Toco. Your androgen/estrogen ratio is out of whack and your penis must feel completely dead. a tiny lil guy dead to the world like a boy in a cold swimming pool. The SA by itself wont be strong enough to pull you out of this!
If you can get some GHB for better sleep and healing. And use colon clense daily to help clean out your system.
You should notice your penis coming to life in a week"
Rather positive that comment is coming froma juice head and not a fin user. Try being realistic with them and asking if anything has got a fin user to recover (not a juicer) an they will likely say no. I’m not saying this to depress you or be an ass, but many have been down the road of those supplements before. Even one of the board moderators has posted previously quite heavily at meso and there were pages of response - but alas - we are still here. If you want to try these things, please go ahead (I intact encourage you to instead of just posting that you are “thinking of trying”) but be prepared for them not to work.
I agree with Golf.
I sent him a PM questioning there power in this sort of treatment, because I agree with you Golf. Honestly, GHB is at the top of my list aside from Wellbutrin which will be under a doctors supervision, I’m just weighing up the ways to get it.
I just woke up 3 hours into sleep, flaccid penis, no dreams, woke up in a sweat with a raised heart rate. A typical occurence for me these days 