Theoretical discussions related to IHP's story

General Discussion
#201

Regarding fasting vs. partial fasting, has anyone considered bone broths? They’re almost like “IV Nutrition,” if you will. They’re often prescribed in cases of ulcerative colitis or extreme gut situations. This could be one dietary tactic to cooling gut inflammation / digestive workload as a standalone or in synergy with meds. Bone broths contain many beneficial nutrients, including gelatin (hydrolyzed collagen), glucosamine, chondroitine, magnesium and other minerals

Some recipes and info:
marksdailyapple.com/the-perfect-pot-of-primal-soup/#axzz1kXDkUqZ0
marksdailyapple.com/cooking-with-bones/#axzz1kXDkUqZ0

grassfedmomma.blogspot.com/2010/10/for-heathy-grass-fed-bone-broth.html

jadeinstitute.com/jade/bone-broth-health-building.php

This is a very detailed breakdown of the composition of broth:
townsendletter.com/FebMarch2005/broth0205.htm

#202

Your thinking is heavily flawed my friend. Try one second to understand why you have it all wrong :
PFS is a huge battlefield. Awor and mew have chosen a tiny fraction of it, defining a very small target indeed, a long time ago, after mere guessing based on an incomplete data set, insufficient scientific knowledge, and a heavy bias towards explaining their very own cases, denying credibility to stories that would challenge their chosen angle. And without any solid basis, they’ve decided that hitting this tiny target would most probably make the whole evil empire collapse.
When the research team brings back the results, any responsible scientist should recognize that positive findings are only hints of the legitimacy to pursue further studying in the same direction, not proof that this is the only path to pursue to the exclusion of any other, and proceed to the abandon of “further theorizing” as mew already stated. Doing so would be, again, unscientific, and harmful to our cause.

#203

One dark evening a scientist was on his hands and knees under a street light looking through the grass.
A pedestrian asked what he was looking for.
“The keys to my car.” replied the scientist.
Having some time and feeling helpful, the pedestrian joined the man in his search.
After a while, with no success, the pedestrian asked: “Where were you when you lost your keys?”
“Over there by my car.” the scientist gestured.
The pedestrian was puzzled. “Why are you looking for them here?”
The Scientist without keys explained: “The light’s better!”

#204

Wow, thanks for this. This is of great interest to me.

Personally i fed up with the naysaysers. I think the deep reality is many are too lazy to ever commit to this. Some will try, unconsciously of course, rule this stuff out because of their inability to actually try it. I’ll be honest and say - i’m relatively weak-willed with food myself and would find a water fast near impossible. Also, i tend to feel weird after a while if i don’t eat - like, shaky. I don’t think i could do it. This might be more realistic.

I think magnesium is really important btw.

#205

You would most probably still feel like absolute crap. Gelatin isnt a complete protein source btw, as it lacks L-tryptophan and other essential aminoacids I think.

#206

The idea is not just to drink the broth, necessarily. Maybe just for a brief period. But you would take the stock that you would make and then make a soup with fresh meats and veggies.

#207

I’ve been meaning to get my saliva tested for candida levels for ages. Need to do that soon.

#208

I’m not familiar with that testing. I’ve typically seen that Stool testing is considered useful (assuming you’re able to get a representative sample from as much of your stool as possible, lol) as well as:

Enzyme-Linked Immunosorbent Assay (ELISA) methodology / ELISA Candida Antigen & Antibodies Test:
usbiotek.com/Services_specialty-testing-Candida%20Antigen.php

Sample Test Report & Guide
usbiotek.com/Downloads/samples/Sample_CandidaAbAg.pdf

#209

Genova diagnostics do candida saliva and blood testing. They tell me that one is as equally useful as the other.

No idea if the stool testing etc is better or not - probably!

#210

i did stool test for yeast, came back negative. i’m guessing maybe it’s in the blood or something?

#211

Different doctors favor different tests or even issue multiple stool tests or test combinations. Most docs I’ve talked to seem to favor the Metametrix Stool DNA test over the Genova one, not sure why.

Bryce, two possibilities: you either don’t have candida, OR the particular piece of shit you scooped up for test sample did not have appreciable amounts. They recommend you try to get as many different parts of your poo in there, lol. So, it is possible to have a false negative stool test result.

Regarding blood testing, it is also possible that the immune system is so weak that it can not produce antibodies. Or that the test is not testing for all possible strains (which inherently, it can not).

Much testing in the infectious disease arena is limited by the quality of the assay / testing techniques and the scope of the inquiry as well. That’s why doctors base treatment on history and symptoms as much as “objective” lab testing.

#212

I have got my
stool test—> Negative
Got Colonoscopy ---->Negative
Got Endoscopy-----> Negative

All tests for my liver ----> Negative

Indeed liver enzyme are very low even lower than normal when tested first time.

#213

Can any of this explain how my dick went numb and lost morning erections after the first day I took fin?

#214

Who knows, really? I would attribute most immediate reactions to fin as hormonal disturbances, a consequence of the direct hormonal actions of the drug. But theoretically, some people could have beem more on the verge of breakdown and fin was the overhwelming straw that broke the camel’s back. Who knows what was going on underneath the hood, so to speak, for fin to affect you in one dose vs. others who took it for years before succumbing to its evil. If you’re asking, in the context of IHP’s recovery, if fin could affect the immune system, incite infection/inflammation that quickly and profoundly – again, who knows, really? it’s anyone’s guess what the mechanism is, if it’s a singular, universal one, or if there are several common PFS pathophysiologies.

#215

No. I was a little disgusted about some people’s attitude regarding different theories when I first signed up. Now I totally understand the disgust for these shit theories.

#216

No that can be explained by finasteride, a 5 alpha reductase type 2 inhibitor. Reduction of dht. Did you check your leaflet for the side effects while on the drug?
That is a rather silly question.

BTW im not interested in this theory, but do use common sense.

#217

I was asking an honest question, wasn’t trying to be sarcastic. Ive too much respect for people like xhorndog on here to go down that route.

#218

Ok Einstein. A reduction of DHT…thats all? So what about people who took the drug and never got a single side. Their DHT was reduced too. Can you use your common sense to explain that one Einstein?

#219

And thats why you feel like not getting to the finish line…keep this attitude and you wont , really. Even when theres so much evidence…god you must be so blind right now, your body must crap on the inside…go out get a burger and a cola , after all food doesnt really mater right ??? And dont even bother to eat correctly in a situation like yours, you must be sooo out of good bacteria and your immune system is so fatigued , the toxins must be getting righ into your system and making you even more sick and more debilitated, your blood must be acid therefore helping all kinds of fungus/parasites and fat to build up on your body, increasing even fat cells for toxins to lay around and mess up even more your thyroids, that will eventually at one point be so overworked that your whole adrenal system will eventually. Stop, craving for the Primordial proteins , cells, good fat and all the others in other to repair themselves , buut wait you cant…why ? You re not difesting food or absorving what you need,you re peeing calcium out of your body , because lead is in your sistem and attaching itself in the bones making it go away… Body starts to sartve for calicium and eat up natural reserves since it caint absorb it from diet…joint painst weak teeth and osteoporisis sets in…and everyhttinh eles starts to faill , heart beat gets messed up, circulation is poor , body starts saving it up , low temperature body is now a common state .,.enzymes needs at leasr 36 C to work properly , congrats you just step one step. closer to total fatigue…now is fucked up beyond repair and will seriousy start eating yuour muscles and collagen will fade away from your body…making it almost impossible for you to recover without drastic intervantion, i hopee this gets an ideia of what she told…theres plenty of more information reason why vit D is so low and etc, the body not producing gaba…blah blah she didnt go for 4 DIFFERENT medical school to be a lazy ass and give clomid…c ya

#220

I agree. I wasn’t really trying to be rude, just shocked that people can be talking about fungus as a cause of our problem.

Watching instructional videos is a better learning tool than reading words off a page. At about the 1:10 mark, its pretty obvious something went wrong with the process explained.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djqqao2Uebo&feature=related[/youtube]