Theoretical discussions related to IHP's story

General Discussion
#1

Regarding IHP’s post: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6115

dynamineen, paurogers, and now ihatepropecia… 3 full recoveries with anti candida treatments.! and count…
i’m suffer for 10 months now… and anti fungicals and diet will be my next attempt… i already try, clomid work for 1 week(full recovery for 1 week), tribulus (full recovery for 3 days), aromasin (worse)
sorry for bad english…

diets and anti fungals… maybe is the way…cause propecia kill our good bacteries… so candida grow.! and we cannot recovery from propecia…

#2

Some potentially helpful resources to consider in the context of this discussion:

1) Gut Health, Zonulin Protein
chriskresser.com/beyond-paleo-6

2) Food Toxins (Grains, Soy, The Misconception regarding Gluten/Grains and who they affect)
chriskresser.com/beyond-paleo-2

I know the concept of intestinal permeability (which is inter-related with candida infection and auto-immune disease) is contested by many folks who don’t take the time to research the existing scientific studies (check pubmed.com as IHP suggested). But in the next 1-2 years, there’s a Zonulin-suppressing pharmaceutical that’s gonna hit the market to treat intestinal permeability, so you’ll begin to see pamphlets at doctors offices, just like propecia pamphlets. Who knows what the side effects will be, but you can avoid all that by considering diet and gut health as a part of your healing protocol.

3) Carbohydrate & Candida Diet
Something to consider regarding ratio of carbs and the typical “anti-candida/ zero carb diet” advice. Paul Jaminet recommends 100-150g of carbs (from fuits like bananas and berries and vegetables and “safe starches” like potatoes, yams and ZERO grains/wheat) like most Paleo Books for general health. When he warns about “Low Carb” diets below, he’s referring to VLC (VERY LOW CARB) diets, or ketogenic diets of <50g of carbs per day.

[Size=4]Another Low-Carb [<50g a day] Risk: Impaired Immunity [/size]Excerpt from from: perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4878

Low-carb diets generally improve immunity to bacteria and viruses, but not all is roses and gingerbread.

Low-carb diets, alas, impair immunity to fungal and protozoal infections. The immune defense against these infections is glucose-dependent (as it relies on production of reactive oxygen species using glucose) and thyroid hormone-dependent (as thyroid hormone drives not only glucose availability, but also the availability of iodine for the myeloperoxidase pathway). Thus, anti-fungal immunity is downregulated on very low-carb diets.

Moreover, eukaryotic pathogens such as fungi and protozoa can metabolize ketones. Thus, a ketogenic diet promotes growth and systemic invasion of these pathogens.

As the fungal infection case studies on our “Results” page illustrate, low-carb dieters often develop fungal infections, and these often go away with increased starch consumption.

Another issue is that mucus is essential for immunity at epithelial surfaces, and glycosylation is essential for the integrity of cellular junctions and tissue barriers such as the intestinal and blood-brain barriers. Thus, reduced production of mucus can impair intestinal immunity and promote gut dysbiosis or systemic infection by pathogens that enter through the gut.

Finally, a very low-carb diet is not entirely free of risks of gut dysbiosis, and not just from fungal infections. Bacteria can metabolize the amino acid glutamine as well as mucosal sugars, so it is not possible to completely starve gut bacteria with a low-carb diet. Nor is it desirable, as this would eliminate a protective layer against systemic infection by pathogens that enter the body through the gut. As our “Results” page shows, several people who had gut trouble on the very low-carb (and generally excellent) GAPS diet were cured on our diet.

#3

Another one for paleo.

#4

Hey I sent you a PM about this but thought others may be interested. I e-mailed Patty Zao at China med cure and spoke to her over the phone. I did not speak with Dr. Yang Wang (this is the person you said you spoke with correct?). This is the e-mail response she gave me. I was wondering if this is exactly what she e-mailed you and if these are the herbal supplements you took.

"Your sexual problem and lower libido because of prostatitis. some chemical medicines hurt prostate, also reduce sex, our medicines can repair the damage, recover sex.
The causes of prostatitis are the lower heat and toxin, blockage obstructs circulation of prostate, circulation stagnate and is blocking. There are 32 more glandular tubes inside prostate, when the circulation of prostate is blocked, lower heat toxin can’t be cleared away from body, blocking of circulation cause prostatitis, blockage cause lower sexual function, lower libido and other symptoms. Only discharge and release the blockage, toxin in prostae tubes, clear away the lower heat toxin from body, make circulation smooth without blockage, can cure prostatitis, sex function improving followed prostate recover, increase libido. The medicines not only remove all symptoms, also cure prostate permanently, the natural treatment don’t hurt body and prostate to give back health, this’s root treatment so that once you are well,conditions don’t repeat any more.
Professor suggests you take:
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“Discharged block prostate capsules No.1” 6 bottles;
"Prostate clearing-heat powder "40 packs (2 big bag);
all are for taken orally for a month (for 30 days).
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Our medicines functions is at chinamedcure.com/feedback.html.
The medicines fee for 30 days is $345 US dollar, plus more express postage $50 US dollar. Medicines are sent by post office EMS,after send parcel give you the shipment number, can track it online ems.com.cn/mailtracking/e_you_jian_cha_xun.html, usually you can get the parce in one week.
This’s Prof.Wang suggested best dosage treatment project, but if you still can’t afford full 30 days treatment fee, can use less dosage for you. (discharge block No.1 or No.2 capsules is $26/bottle(60 pills each bottle), clear heat powder is $16.5/big bag(20 small bags per big bag)
The payment ways reference at chinamedcure.com/payment.html, can pay it via western union or moneygram(pay $395 US), if use Paypal pay it need pay $427 US.
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#5

where can probiotics and digestive enzymes found? in pharmacy?

#6

You do realize these types of sites will say whatever you want to hear, in order to sell you supplements?

$400 for a bottle is not only a rip-off, its probably unlikely to make any difference – especially considering the guys who spent $1,000s on going to Greece for prostatitis treatments in addition to powerful antibiotics use had little, if any improvement or worsening of issues down there (if they even had prostatitis in the first place).

As they say, a fool and his gold are soon parted.

#7

I definitely believe, whether directly or indirectly, if we support our bodies’ immune system we can make improvements.

I’m going to start taking magnesium supplements and improve my diet etc. Will have a full read at this thread soon but i know IHP’s story is legit because i followed it the whole way. It’s ridiculous how so many guys attack someone that has recovered - because guess what - he’s recovered and we haven’t…maybe we should try things instead of trying to rationalise everything.

#8

What do you mean by you have explored the areas, but did not have success? Do you mean you researched it or did you actually try going on a specific diet? Can you tell us more about the experience that didn’t work for you if you did try it as it would be helpful for us to see what worked for some people and didn’t work for others?

#9

^^ With all due respect Mew, i bet you didn’t come close to the holistic diet IHP subjected himself to. Certainly not for a duration like he has.

So “exploring” isn’t really enough to rule anything out. I think there’s something in it…somewhere; albeit not a golden bullet.

#10

I got diagnosed with eczema the other day (nver had problems pre fin). Doc said my condition was rare and put it down to an immune system disorder.

#11

leaky gut syndrome makes so much fucking sense…and it also makes sense why autohemotherapy had a benefit on my case…since ATH helps the body to detox DEEPLY and SUPPORTS the immune system… by doing the treatment i am somehow helping my body to have a lower level of toxic shit and also fighting the infection that is all over…paleo diet and nystatin plus autohemotherapy thats what ill be doing for the next 12 months

#12

If there is such a bad infection that renders us sexually dysfunctional, I think that doctors would be able to detect it. There is probably an indirect effect of the healthy diet and drugs/herbs he took.

#13

There is no such infection. PFS is a disease of the androgen receptor. Note the similarities between Kennedy’s disease and PFS. But Kennedy’s disease the result of a genetic mutation of the AR while PFS is the results of an epigenetic change.

#14

Based on your logic that IHP’s recovery sounds “dubious” by his actions on getting a hair transplant, I have a hard time being able to follow what you say for fact because you don’t use scientific evidence and simply base your information on your opinion from what I’ve seen here.

Although I agree that PFS may involve the androgen receptor, there is no clear information suggesting that it’s a “disease” of the androgen receptor that is causing our problems.

#15

Just because you don’t have these problems it doesn’t mean that others don’t. We all have a wide spectrum of symptoms that vary. Please don’t be so judgemental and respect other views.

#16

I can’t believe we still have to have this discussion. Fungus in the stomach does not cause the following:
Neurological:

Bulbar signs: The bulbar muscles are those supplied by the motor nerves from the brain stem, which control swallowing, breathing, speech, and other functions of the throat. Bulbar signs are problems with these muscles.
Lower motor neuron signs: The lower motor neurons are those in the brainstem and spinal cord that directly supply the muscles. Loss of lower motor neurons leads to weakness and wasting of the muscle.
Primary sensory neuropathy: Loss of sensation and numbness, usually not noticeable.
Intention tremor: Hand tremor with volitional effort.
Babinski (plantar) response: When the bottom of the foot is scraped, the toes bend down. An abnormal response would be an upward movement of the toes indicating a problem with higher level (upper) motor neurons.
Decreased or absent deep tendon reflexes: When a doctor taps the knee with his hammer little or nothing happens.
Muscular:

Fasciculations: Twitching of muscles when at rest.
Cramps: Large muscle spasms.
Muscular atrophy: Loss of muscle bulk that occurs when the lower motor neurons do not stimulate the muscle adequately.
Endocrine

Gynecomastia: breast enlargement.
Impotence
Erectile dysfunction
Reduced fertility
Low sperm count
Testicular atrophy: Testicles become smaller and less functional.

Dysfunction with the androgen receptor does.

Penile skin biopsies did in fact show that there is an abnormality with the androgen receptor.

#17

But fungal, yeast, mold problems often accompany pfs symptoms. That’s all I’m saying. If you’re clear of them good luck to you, well done.

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#18

Guys, if you look at how IHP got better…he was aiming to treat an infection…whether its fungal, bacterial, parasitic, or viral. That’s why those other drugs he took he didn’t list. None of that other stuff was focused on treating an infection. That’s why they didn’t work…that’s why he didn’t mention them.

ALSO, THINK ABOUT THIS:

The human body is profoundly capable of fixing itself and readjusting its hormones on its own. Every time I got off of Propecia in the past, I went right back to being my super horny self. What happened this last time around? I felt like something was in the way of my body fixing itself. That’s why one of my theories was the drug being stuck in our bodies. I later abandoned that theory. An infection, that our body cannot fix on its own, is very possible to be the cause of our condition.

Also, Candida can spread to other organs of the body. If you argue against this, you clearly haven’t googled Candida.
Here’s a link to Candida in the spine: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2438560/

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#19

Hey Guys,
Another thing I want to point out (sorry to take this thread slightly off course)…I started looking into baking soda and raising the body’s pH and stuff like that. I stumbled across a few links talking about an Italian doctor who claimed cancer is caused by a fungus and he uses a mixture of maple syrup and baking soda to cure cancer. Apparently this same treatment also cures candida (supposedly). Below are links to the explanation plus a video from the doctor.

I did this stuff, and I definitely noticed that it was helping. Gave me weak morning erections when I took it at night. I felt some weird feelings in my gut, and I don’t recommend eating until 2 hours afterwards as baking soda neutralizes the acid in your stomach.

Pretty much use any baking soda and maple syrup. Mix 3 parts baking syrup with 1 part baking soda and cook it a bit. Before cooking, stir the mixture till its combined really well. Once it starts to foam, its ready to consume. Blow on it a bit before consuming as it might be super hot. I also tried mixing 1/3 tsp of baking soda with 2 tbsp of apple cider vinegar and 5-6 oz of water, mixed it up, and drank it. I feel like that helped too, but def. not as much as cooking the two together.

youtube.com/watch?v=XiattaZRRqk&feature=related - video of doctor

candidayeastthrushforum.com/view_topic.php?id=832&forum_id=1

cancertutor.org/Cancer02/Kelmun.html

earthclinic.com/CURES/candida.html#ACVB

truthpills.wordpress.com/health/maple-syrupbaking-soda-trojan-horse/

Also, I plan on doing colonic irrigation/hydrotherapy as well as following up with a nystatin enema or a baking soda enema. I might be crazy, but I’m willing to do ANYTHING to fix this shit. Shoving a tube with water up my butt is no problem if it’ll help me feel better or cure me.

#20

This reminds me of a quote:

“Sticking feathers up your butt will not make you a chicken.”

The fact that you’re willing to do anything to fix these problems is exactly the reason why I’m suggesting not to exclude IHP’s prior treatments. If this thing can be beaten by sticking a tube of water up your butt great! But what if you need a course of something else he took prior? Don’t you need to be willing to keep an open mind into the other things he tried prior to recovering if you’re “willing to do ANYTHING to fix this shit”? For example, what if it only works if you’ve tried Dexa before?

A lot of men on this board are willing to do anything to fix these problems, you’re not alone. Let’s try to evaluate all the facts we can before assuming a theory is 100% certain, otherwise we are at risk of excluding facts that may prove critical later.