I have a story from a guy who opened up saw palmetto caps and applied it on his head for few weeks and got the all sides we have mainly shrunken penis and balls.
Now what do you say about it? how can it destroy the liver here.
Also how come some guys used it for 10 years with out any sides, but stops and then starts it and gets the sides.
how would you explain it?
I have never drunk in my life, I even don’t know how it tastes ( because of my faith). I never had hepatitis in my life. Never took any serious medications ( indeed used anti biotics maybe in 1997 last time). I have strong family system. We always cook at home and eat at home.
Dont understimate your head fool, why do you think pregnant women cant die their hair ?? If you want further questions you should try to find a doctor like this one and he ll gladly and’ smartly’ answer you …and please like i said you think you know but you hane NO idea of how the body chemistry work , so dont try to be a smart ass kis, just accept the fact , god does it hurt !? To know you can get btter ??..anyways. Good night
Come on guys, let’s try to be a little more serious here… It’s tangents like this that detracts from legitimate and intelligent discussion of immune system disturbance as a model for chronic illness and inflammation
Congratulations. I like to lean back in my chair and text on my phone while shitting. I don’t like the texture of mushrooms. And I’ve never had malaria.
New members are often directed to first review basic factors in their life such as diet, exercise, sleep and stress - along with getting relevant blood work - before taking any further steps. What bothers me about the candida mania is that it is only implied at this point, and it’s implied because of a lot of one-size-fits-all websites, often contradictory, that suggest it can be the cause of all ills. It’s too broad to cause everything that having it implies without having a single diagnosed case of it on the forum. There are plenty of other hormonal, digestive, and biological pathway problems that could be causing what the candida websites claim.
I’ve recently noticed that YOU have been doing this. Kudos, I sincerely commend you for this.
First off, I wouldn’t call this candida mania–I would call it an attention to finasteride’s potential instigation of immune system depression, dysbiosis, chronic inflammation/chronic infections of the prostate, intestines, pudendal nerve and beyond. Infection could imply pathogens of any sort, including any and all varieties of fungus.
Second, the preponderance of shitty infomercial candida sites has nothing to do with the very real existence of bacteria, parasites or fungus. Since PFS is a new and unsolved phenomenon, there are no sources implicating finasteride with these concepts we’re discussing here. We’re trying to make these connections in an attempt to explain the improvements of IHP and others who targeted these areas. It sounds absolutely crazy, I agree. But we can’t just dismiss it because we don’t understand it or because there isn’t a handy infallible reference manual.
Finally, it is incorrect to say that there is not a single diagnosed case. There are many PFSers with stool test results that show positive for excess yeast. The implication comes from an observation you yourself have made in another thread/survey: a high prevalence of skin disorders and overt/topical fungal infections in PFS patients. Other clues are common digestive issues. And it is further implied by the positive reaction that people are getting to antifungals–most of whom do not report on the forum because of the toxic environment. So long as it is taboo to merely discuss or suggest a potential mechanism of PFS illness via hormonal/immune modulation, this forum will not benefit from the experiences of many who try non-traditional therapies. That’s a darn shame. It’s the equivalent of excluding unfavorable data from a drug trial: the data is fudged.
Most of us who are interested in this theory are not claiming certainty, not claiming to have a cure or smoking gun. We just question those that ARE so certain that they want to completely dismiss IHP’s recovery and completely shut down discussion that they disagree with. We’re fighting for integrity in the investigative process. Until something is discovered beyond any reasonable doubt, we cannot afford to be so singular in focus. None of us KNOW anything for sure, no matter how many big words we use, or how many fancy studies we cite. All that matters are results at the end of the day, and enough people are seeing some level of results or reaction that it’s worth investigating further. There is no official guidebook for this stuff, there’s just a template that IHP offered here, and our attempts to dissect it, understand it, discuss our own experiments, and expand further (i.e. discussing the role of fasting, etc.).
Keep an open mind folks. Never assume you know it all.
Does ‘keeping an open mind’ = Seriously consider any and all pseudoscience no matter how illogical and despite no scientific or medical evidence whatsoever???
I see this whole thing as much a battle with ‘Big Pharma’ like Merck as much as it is a battle against stupid bullshit quackery.
I also think the lack of sensible scientific discussion will put people off posting if anything.
Therefore talk about ‘Leaky gut’ etc should certainly be confined to hidden threads such as this.
Oscar why even bother my friend? keep your comments to yourself, its amazing how even as a hidden thread you come here and leave your stupid opinion! Ahahha that sounds hum…a little…desperate? People r. Recoreving…im feeling better , you re not , so chill.
braziliandude you are talking garbage.
I have done every possible test for my liver and did not find any problem.
These Candida , liver problem and leaky guts etc theory is becoming just like prostatits thread.
I will not be surprised if it ends the same way.
It means that if last night you took high dose Nystatin and you woke up with painful rock hard nocturnals, keep taking it, even if others tell you that you are genetically mutated, end of story.
Me too. I guess we disagree on the definitions of quackery. It is a pharmaceutical, ironically, that many are experimenting with.
I think there have been credible posts on this topic, but they’ve been drowned out by silly ones and the typical thought police noise. Believe me—I talk to LOTS of folks offline that are experiencing success with targeting pathogens----why are they not here?
Nobody asserted that you or anyone necessarily suffers from this phenomenon, but to arbitrarily deny that intestinal permeability is a legitimate medical occurrence is to stubbornly deny the scientific literature on it and its implication in ubiquitous auto-immune disorders, including among them Celiac disease (again, please visit pubmed.com). The burden is not on us to prove the earth is round. We’re starting with a level of assumed knowledge.
Just an FYI, for anyone considering taking Fluconazole: another forum guy and myself experienced major, unpleasant side effects at higher doses – this stuff is STRONG!
Personally, I’ve quit the drug. I find Nystatin to be the agent that’s helping.
Also, there is this article’s suggestion of Fluconazole’s antagonism to Amphotericin B (Fungizone) which is the European version of Nystatin (very similar, molecularly): sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0732889398000996
Let’s say oral amphotericin B (oral fongizone) is in Europe the equivalent of (always oral) nystatin (which isnt available in pharmacies in many EU countries anymore)… Both belong to the same class of antifungals (polyenes).
There is no replacement for IV amphotericin B, as nystatin is much too toxic administered parenterally.
Also I dont know what exactly to make out of that abstract (it isnt worded clearly enough) but it seems that IHP by pure luck may have found the best way to combine these drugs : take nystatin/amphB continually and sporadically take highish doses of fluconazole since the combination is initially fungicidal and it lakes longer than 8 hours of continual exposition to fluco to even begin to inhibit the fungicidal activity of amphB. (yeah I know oral fluco half life needs to be taken in consideration too)
Let s speculate even further (this thread is hidden after all so lets go apeshit on theories and speculation) :
I know microbiologists say that you shouldnt use antifungals any other way that continually as it increases the likeliness of the fungus to build up resistance in between the doses to an agent used sporadically (because, for instance, in between fluconazole doses the fungus puts its ergosterol cell wall component in turbo-growth mode), but both amphB(and nystatin) and the imidazoles act on the ergosterol component of the fungal cell wall, so maybe using amphB while youre not using fluco should prevent the fungus to reinforce its ergosterol cell wall between the doses of fluco…
The problem is, fluconazole acts systemically, while oral amphB and nystatin, at least in theory, only act in the GI tract…
So whatever fungal infection there is outside of the GI tract could theoretically be rendered stronger by intermittemt use of fluconazole…
If IHP cured his dermatitis and other symptoms with a protocol targeting first and foremost the gut - and that could make a systemic/disseminated/deep/focal infection worse -, maybe we should even stop bothering about disseminated fungal infections, that are, after all, not usual in the not-immunodeprived?
I dont know, just food for thoughts, because getting obsessed with treating a hard-to-diagnose disseminated fungal infection with toxic systemic drugs (none of them look safe except lufenuron) could be both dangerous and worthless? (and Ive had enough with FQ toxicity)
My very own problem with the gut-only theory is that Im trying to explain my chronic “abacterial” prostatitis… but Ive read many testimonies over the internet of people that cured their prostatitis by accident and to their great surprise (after trying the usual antibiotherpies for years) when they agressively adressed other intuitively unrelated gut problems like crohns, colitis etc. Could gut problems also be the cause of some cases of non bacterial prostatitis?
Im getting into unknown territory here, but since chronic abacterial prostatitis is still a mystery to medicine, I dont have much other choice than starting to speculate wildly outside of scientifically proven knowledge, using anecdotal empirical evidence as food for thoughts.
“It’s very difficult to understand this group of symptoms and what is causing them. When we tested hormones, on the contrary of that which I would have expected, the testosterone levels were in range. However, there is a difference that is statistically significant regarding a hormonal hypothesis that we are looking at. There’s a molecular signal that reveals that these subjects [PFS sufferers] are different from normal people, and from hypogonadal individuals.”
You’re making connections where there are none. This error is thinking is called the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. First you shoot, then you draw a bullseye around the bullethole claiming to have hit the target. Using science, the research team has already hit the target, just not the bullseye yet.
You win. You and awor obviously know the key to the secrets of mewPFS genetic mutation. I’m not part of this privileged elite that has access to this new, established higher scientific knowledge so I cannot talk about it.
Now please let us discuss here and brainstorm about how IHP recovered from iPFS/FinFuck and how we (Finfucked ppl, not mewPFS mutants) can attempt to replicate his success.
Thanks