update. completely stopped sleep meds. next: stopping antidepressants.
also, i gained weight, as the doctor predicted.
tonight, 8 hours sleep without interruptions. living the dream.
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Anti depressants are as dangerous as Fin. How do you really expect to go better while using them Sonic? Itās funny, sorry. Please find something else to combat with your depression.
you didnāt read the whole story.
i started taking meds when i didnāt know it was propecia fucking with my mind.
when i started my regimen, i started tapering off everything, including antidepressants. and iām still working on it.
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Update n.110
I got to the point where i felt happy for no reason butā¦ 2 weeks ago i stopped trazodone (an antidepressant used as a sleep inducer) because now i sleep again and something bad is happening again to my mind. I feel anger, against everyone and everything, expecially against my parents. To be fair, iāve always had problems with them but now itās like i canāt think about anything but feeling anger against them.
Did finasteride made you feel this way?
Another important question: did finasteride give you irrational fears?
Examples:
- iām scared of getting a job because if i get a job i might lose the job soā¦ iām scared of losing a job i donāt even have;
- if a guy asks for a date i feel like that guy is oppressing me and iāll get stucked in a sticky situation, which is ridiculous;
I know these are irrational fears but are still there.
and i could list even more fearsā¦
in this situation i cannot understand in which percentage is pfs, trazodone withdrawal symptoms or if iām crazy on my own, reallyā¦
update n.111
today i feel happy again, i guess the trazodone discontinuation syndrome is ending.
plus, iām following the advices of my natural hygiene doctor: i wake up early (6 am), i go for a walk, take 20 minutes sun baths while doing excercises: this boost my mood.
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Update n.112
24 days passed since i stopped trazodone and i still have withdrawal symptoms: crying spells, depression, anxietyā¦ my doctor doesnāt trust me, as usual. seems like doctors act this way whatever you were takingā¦ same shit, nothing new here.
i sleep without meds and this is ok, but my sleep is not 100% recovered, iād say 80%.
Hey Sonic,
Iām in need of a fragrance-free body lotion just for my arms and legs that doesnāt have any chemicals or any crazy shit in it. Could anybody look at the link please and let me know if anything stands out? Itās driving me mad trying to make sure everything is non-androgen or endocrine disrupting, etc.Itās apparently just an organic, fragrance and paraben-free lotion. Any input is MUCH appreciated.
hereās a list of what to avoid:
A
Alkylphenol
Atrazine (weedkiller)
4-Methylbenzylidene camphor (4-MBC) (sunscreen lotions)
B
Benzophenone (sunscreen lotions)
Butylated hydroxyanisole / BHA (food preservative)
Bisphenol A (BPA-monomer for polycarbonate plastic and epoxy resin; antioxidant in plasticizers)
C
Chlorine and chlorine by-products
D
Dichlorodiphenyldichloroethylene (one of the breakdown products of DDT)
Dieldrin (insecticide)
DDT (insecticide)
E
Endosulfan (insecticide)
Erythrosine / FD&C Red No. 3 (cibo)
Ethinylestradiol (combined oral contraceptive pill)
F
G
H
Heptachlor (insecticide)
I
J
H
L
Lindane / hexachlorocyclohexane (insecticide)
M
Metalloestrogens (a class of inorganic xenoestrogens)
Methoxychlor (insecticide)
N
Nonylphenol and derivatives (industrial surfactants; emulsifiers for emulsion polymerization; laboratory detergents; pesticides)
O
P
Pentachlorophenol (general biocide and wood preservative)
Polychlorinated biphenyls / PCBs (in electrical oils, lubricants, adhesives, paints)
Parabens (methylparaben, ethylparaben, propylparaben and butylparaben commonly used as preservatives in personal care products)
Phenosulfothiazine (a red dye)
Phthalates (plasticizers)
DEHP (plasticizer for PVC)
Propyl gallate
Q
R
S
T
U
V
W
X
Y
Z
Xenoestrogens: Cosmestics
4
4-Methylbenzylidene camphor (4-MBC) (sunscreen lotions)
B
Benzophenone (sunscreen lotions)
BzBP (benzylbutyl phthalate)
D
Everything that ends in -phtalates
DBP (dibutylphthalate)
DMP (dimethylphthalate)
DEP (diethylphthalate)
DEHP (Di(2-ethylhexyl)phthalate)
F
Formaldehyde
Fragrances
P
Everything that ends in -paraben
E-218
E-219
E-216
INCI (not xenoestrogens but bad for health and environment)
1, 2, 3ā¦
1,3-diol, 5-bromo, 5-nitro, 1,3-dioxane
5-cloro-2-(2,4-diclorofenossi) fenolo
A
Amodimethicone
Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate
B
Benzylhemiformal, 2-bromo, 2-nitropropane
BHA ā butilidrossianisolo ā E320
BHT ā butilidrossitoluene ā E321
C
Cyclomethicone
Ciclopentasiloxane
D
-dimonium (bad for ecosystem)
Dimethicone
Dimethiconol
Diazolidinyl urea
DMDM hydantoin
Diethanolamine (DEA) (es: Cocamide Dea)
E
EDTA-TETRASODIUM EDTA (bad for ecosystem)
F
Formaldheyde
G
-glycol (bad for skin)
H
I
Imidazolidinyl urea
J
K
L
M
Mineral oil
microcrystalline wax
Methylchloroisothiazolinone
Methylisothiazolinone
methyldibromo glutaronitrile
Monoethanolamine (MEA) (es: Cocamide Mea)
N
O
P
Petrolatum
Paraffinum liquidum
Paraffin
PEG ā Polietilenglicole
PPG
Q
R
S
-silanoil
sodium hydroxymethylglycinate
SLS ā Sodium Lauryl Sulfate
T
-trimonium (bad for ecosystem)
-thicone
Trimethylsiloxysilicate
Triethanolamine (TEA) (es: Cocamide Tea)
Triclosan
U
V
Vaselyn
W
X
-xiloxane
Y
Z
CAUTION:
Sodium Laureth Sulfate or SLES, Sodium Mireth Sulfate, Sodium Pareth Sulfate, Sodium Coceth Sulfate: they are fine if included in this formula: Aqua, Sodium ā¦ Sulfate, cocamidopropyl betaine or cocoamphoacetate (or other surgrassing surfactants such as glucodysis), Sodium Chloride (= salt).
NOT good if there is a numerical code near the name of the ingredient (ex: Sodium C12-C13 Pareth Sulfate).
What have you done that has most helped your sleeping? I am having horrible insomnia. Lately, if iām lucky, iāll get 2 hours of sleep a night. I canāt continue to function like this.
itās all written here.
This is why a 300 post blog thread isnāt helpful. If thereās any good information on a particular subject, itās buried.
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update n.113
my regimen had some minor changes.
iām not having fruit for breakfast, not anymore. iām having boiled or steamed vegetables: this should be an intermediate passage before completely stop having breakfast. the doctor explained me that between 4.00 am and 12 am our bodies go into detox mode and avoiding food is a way to support this function.
i wake up every morning between 5.30 am and 6 am, meditate, have a cold shower, go taking a 20 minutes sunbath.
i fast once a week.
i avoid masturbation.
sunday i had a cake: wrong idea. had bad insomnia, agitation, anxiety and i still feel not that good. i confirm that grains, sugar and milk are the evil for us.
tinnitus seems to be gone (but came back sunday after the cake).
Mental
tinnitus: fixed
tinnitus button: 3
suicidal ideation: 0
depression: 0
anxiety: 6
social phobia: 5
insomnia: 4
memory loss: 2
stumbling over words: fixed
slurring of speech: fixed
laziness/lack of motivation: 5
loss of personality: 7
crazy thoughts/irrational fears: 8
disconnection feeling: 7
poor stress tolerance: 9
Physical
stiffness of the left leg: 5
tremors: 0
groin: fixed
poop: fixed
lipoatrophy: 10
wrinkles: 10
graying hairs: 10
dry skin: 10
vitiligo-like patches: 10
fatigue: 0
joint pain: 0
poop pellets: 3
flu-like symptoms: fixed
sexual
premature ajaculation: 10
penile shrinkage: 0
Good morning everyone, i need some advice.
As you may know, iām on a raw/paleo diet, which helped sleep again and gave me overall well being.
My regimen was this, initially:
- wake up early
- take cold shower
- fruit for breakfast
- take 20 minutes sunlight
- fruit, salad and cooked greens for lunch
- apples, fennels and celery as pre-work out meal
- work out
- fruit, salad, cooked greens and meat/poultry/eggs/fish for dinner
- 25.000 ui vit D once a week
- sweet almond oil on my skin (which is very dry).
I was doing good but iāve been sick for a week now.
I feel again angry, anxious, i have nightmares, agitation, suicidal ideation and so onā¦
Thinking about what could have gone wrong, looking at any change in this regimen, hereās whatās happened:
- as the doctor suggested, i switched from fruit to steamed veggies for breakfast
- lately i ate more raw food than cooked food
- i put more fruit in the salad
- i put on teaspoon of raw acacia honey in my salads
- i ate lotās of bananas (my favourite fruit)
- ate lotās of nuts
- i noticed i felt bad after eating oranges
- i noticed i felt very bad after eating a spoon of raw eucaliptus honey instead of the usual acacia honey (acacia honey is known to have more fructose than glucose so itās good for diabetics)
- did not exercise
- di not use almond oil but i used argan oil for my skin
- started waking up later instead of 6:00 am
- tuesday i used the dermaroller on my scalp along with some disinfectant
- since a guy with pfs told me he crashed after vit d (@Demon) , i stopped taking it
- i write this for last because is very unlikely (i know myself and i know that when my mind doesnāt work fine is because of something not working properly in my my body): worked hard, didnāt see friends.
any idea?
update
- tonight i slept for almost 10 hours!
- if i eat more veggies than fruit, i feel better
- iām experiencing some days in which i feel calmer
- if everything goes right, iām gonna add nlp (neuro-linguistic programming) to my regimen
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Sonic, my hormones and cognition is very, very out of wack. Iāve had feminization of my body, burning and enlarged nipples, and muscle weakness and wastage. My cognition constantly feels like I am in a movie or something bizarre. It has been 7 months and I have just gotten fucking worse. Do you recommend a juice feast?
I donāt know fore sure but it sounds like you have too much estrogen. my suggestion is to get hormone tests done and see the picture and ask people here what is safe to do and what is not so safe. someone here will give you advice, it sounds like you are having too much estrogen and your body is increasing estrogen. this is my guess I donāt know for sure thatās why you need to get the hormone tests done.
I wish you all the best.
Cortisol - AM (fasted): 23.9 (6.2-19.4)
Estrone : 71 (15-65)
Total Estrogens : 126 (40-115)
Growth Hormone : < 0,1 (0.0-10.0)
Estradiol, Sensitive : 26.1 (8.0-35.0)
Vitamin D : 56.0 (30.0-100)
IGF1 : 223 (115-355)
DHT : 55 (30-85)
Free Testosterone : 16.5 (9.3-26.5)
Testosterone, Serum : 869 (264-916)
FSH : 2.4 (1.5-12.4)
LH : 8.2 (1.7-8.6)
Free Thyroxine Index : 1.7 (1.2-4.9)
T3 Uptake : 27 (24-39)
Thyroxine (T4) : 6.4 (4.5-12.0)
TSH : 2.450 (0.450-4.500)
These are my labs as of 4 weeks ago. My estrogen is quite high, it has gotten worse since then.
I donāt know what to recommend you other than fasting I have done 24 hour fasting. I read that fasting brings hormone levels down and after 3-4 days of fasting it doubles testosterone. I could be helpful to you. what I would do if I was in your place I would do 3 day fasting as fallows first day 14-15 hour fast than eat food like oatmeal/fruits , second day 24 hour fasting and after 24 hours of not eating food eat something like oatmeal/fruits or something than 14-15 hour fasting. after finishing this eat oatmealās and fruits and add other foods little by little. also cut the stress down use yoga I recommend pranayama yoga.
I think I have the opposite problem from you brother I have low estrogen. I was on SP for 25-ish days and I have only sleep and sexual problems. my sleep is getting better and my sexual symptoms are also improving. I say I have opposite problem from you because if I am stressed, nervous, if I drink alcohol or eat raw honey, my sexual symptoms get better. low estrogen is the only reason that explains my recoveries. donāt try honey sugar causes more estrogen production.
donāt take any sugars, I am not sure what fruits you should take or if you should take it at all. I will try little and see how you feel.
@Dknighten first of all i recommend to disucuss your labs with you doctor.
About fastingā¦ My doctor said to me that fasting is like driving a ferrari: if youāre not an expert, youāll crash. Indeed many guys crashes after a fastā¦
Before started the intermittent fasting, my doctor prepared me with diet, with this 70% raw food regimen, Then i added the intermittent fasting.
In my opinion, depends on what you are eating now. How are you eating? I think it would be no sense trying a fast and then eating again pizza & pasta etcā¦