been a while since anyone has posted here. So whats the general consensus on royal jelly? worth trying out or is it no different than the other supplements?
don’t bother
That sounds like complete BS to me.
He’s recommending capsules he produces. What a coincidence. That doesn’t prove anything in itself. Maybe he’s the only one clever enough to make the capsules properly. OR, it allows him to make more money. Could be either. Let’s see.
The main point of gelatin capsules over tablets is that they dissolve easily. Get a glass. Put some lukewarm water in it. Drop in a capsule. See how long it takes to dissolve.
I tried that little experiment. 3 minutes. A capsule probably doesn’t make it all the way down your throat in 3 minutes. And when it does, it bathes in warm stomach acid, instead of warm water.
You try the experiment, and let us know how it turns out.
I would say it is worth trying out.
Some people see huge benefits, bigger than most supplements, but diminishing over time, like most supplements. Most people aren’t helped, again, like most supplements.
I think the diminishing returns is a problem of dosing, for this and most other supplements that trigger LH release. Crisler recommends taking HCG no more than 2- times a week, and I’d think the same applies here.
That sound like a real BS.
RJ is not HCG. It stabilises hormone patterns, but most of its effect is probably in numerous amino-acids which have antimicrobial effect. Do you know how it works? No, you dont. Do you have the proof it “triggers LH release”? You dont.So dont talk nonsenses.
To answer on your claims:
- Rojal jelly must survive the stomach acid in order to get to small intestine. From there it is absorbed to blood. I had it in capsule form, and that capsule form has more quality than those in drugstores.
- I didnt ordered my package from any company or from some buisness manager either. I bought it from domestic man who I personally know, who doesnt need any commercials and wants to stay private. He is expert in bee-field, familliar with medicine and doesnt make a money through sick people.
Desperado.
On LH, I posted a couple of links to papers earlier in the thread:
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=36984#p36984
If you take the time to do a search, you can find numerous studies on Royal Jelly and testosterone, LH, prolactin, etc.
I know I’m just a crazy person and all, and the person selling you the pills is a real expert, but why don’t you try that experiment with warm water and one of his capsules? Then you can come back and tell me how wrong I am again.
Listen,
I will be as short as possible: am really not a kind of person for pointless debates. I certainly have no need to “put capsule in warm water”. I took those capsules and noticed they have effect, since I was consulted by known person who have credibility and many years of experience. I bought RJ from him rather than on-line shopping ect. I am not planning to continue with this discussion. What is your point, anyway? I am only passing that there are some better products and some of less quality.
Capsules must be firm enough to make possible for active component to get into small intestine. I was informed by someone whos credibility in his field is well-known that those capsules are of better quality than others in drugstores. Let me say just that he doesnt have a buissness at all with RJ, because it is very complicated procedure and there is a lot of effort to make RJ. I am not saying that you will not suceed with organic form, but than you have to absorb it in mouth, not in a gut.
Second, RJ has effect on pitutiary as well as antibacterial and antifungal effect on urogenital system and prostate gland, thats out of the question. But, if you report that you had some improvement by RJ to specialist-endocrynologhyst (like I did) you will get an answer: “how do you know it is not a placebo?”. Only equal-rated answer on that question would be: “how do I know that your a not an idiot?”.
My point is: medical doctor will not recognize effects on natural drugs no matter how it helps (or articles printed on RJ), because it is not a chemical drug, they dont know its mechanism of work and they are not learning about RJ in their text-book.
Furhermore, there are numerous proves of anti-pathogen effect of RJ, since its incredible amino-acids helps immune system to fight invaders. If you use little of your time, you can find proves for that too.
Cause of PFS is not known, thus you can not claim that you have problem with pitutiary gland. For example, I tested my LH and FSH and results were normal. Endocrynologhyst couldnt help in my case. Thats the reason I have alternative view on PFS cause.
D.
You claimed earlier:
My point is that you’ve provided no evidence to support this claim. The fact that your capsules work for you doesn’t tell us anything about the necessity for “patented and hard” capsules. It doesn’t even tell us that your capsules actually reach the cistern intestine intact.
Further, the fact that other people have had positive effects swallowing raw RJ without access to your expert and his magic capsules is evidence against your claim.
As for the rest of your post, you don’t want to discuss it, so I won’t either.
Hi,
I dont have any “magical expert” at all, only consulted with right person. I explained you about facts that concerns taking most advantage of medicine, so…
I dont state that I have some magical capsules. But, if you buy it in drugstore be careful- there are low-quality capsules.(i.e. products from China which could be put on market without prior-performed lab-examination of quality and substrate itself).
Furthermore, I dont claim that “raw form” is not good, but one should not swallow it but keep it in his mouth as long as possible in order to absorb it by mouth-glands. I think that capsule form (if patent is ok) would do the trick, but (in future) I will try raw form as well to see differences myself. Raw form must be- immediately after picking up- properly conserved and stored in refrigerator. It must be kept on temp between -5 and -2 Celsius and up to 6 months to preserve its “healing components”.
It is not easy to find real fresh form, and it doesnt pays off to producers nor people who sell it. So, my point is: be careful with “fresh forms”, because you dont know is it made properly, is it stored properly and on which date it is picked up.
There are lots of false products on market, so my advice is to buy direct from bee-farms (manufacturer).
On the other hand (and taught), I think you have solid point comparing effect of RJ with gonade hormons made by pitituary. That thesis could be succesfully supported by presence of 237 amino-acids in HCG created by growing embrio during womans pregnacy (thus, making it significant for procreation). However, there are lots of other effects of this natural medicine (cell renewal, regenerative, bactericide, virocide, immunomodulation, anti-toxic, effect on CNS, ect.).
If we knew exact cause of PFS (or be able to prove common-line with tipical lab tests of PFS patients)-what we can not by now-, we would have answer why RJ helps with more certain levels.
Laters,
D.
so we should start it again and give some months like 3 - 6 months?
That’s what I was thinking. Possibily cycing it with sodium butyrate and other HDAC Inhibitors. Plus, plenty of exercise.
Doesn’t seem like a bad recovery protocol considering you’re doing everything you can to induce acetylation.
jp.physoc.org/content/588/6/905.full.pdf
As far as demethylating, anyone have any ideas besides the few demethylating drugs out there.
updates?
lol I just bought my first tub today. It says it has a high dose of 10-HSD. I will keep you updated.
Because of Royal Jelly’s effect on the pituitary, LH release, and resulting testosterone (see my post as 4th comment in thread for references), I recommend treating it as if it were a GNRH or LH agonist, and using a twice weekly dosing like Shippen recommends for HCG to avoid diminishing returns, which people have definitely seen under continued use.
its been a couple of months since anyone has posted about RJ… whats the verdict? Worth trying out? Any bad side effects or crashes after taking it for too long?
yes, updates please?
Each time I take this stuff I get a stuffy nose, headache, insomnia and a generaly sick feeling.
I’d also get a minor sexual boost.
I may try to find it in another form (not the real stuff) that I can take without all the side effects.
Is anyone still taking this stuff? Any theories on why it may be effective? (raising T? effect on pituitary gland?)
anybody experience any permanent gains with RJ? Or is it purely temporary?? I recall reading somewhere on this thread that somebody experienced increased testicular weight.
well guys, I wish i had never tried royal jelly. Since taking it for a few days a few weeks ago, I have had NO night or morning erections. Its as if it flipped a switch in my body and I’m back to square one, at least with regards to libido. I feel like crap, this is so unfair. Just after I get an impressive libido boost from fasting for nearly two weeks (the libido boost from fasting lasted for an entire month and I’m confident it would have been permanent had I not taken royal jelly) it gets taken away again. I really can’t express how frustrated I feel now. I repeat, I have had very weak, or non existent night and morning erections for the past two weeks since I took royal jelly. Before that I would have consistent and relatively strong night and morning erections. I’m still hoping things turn around for me, but I havent seen any improvements thus far. I do want to add though that I’m mostly certain its due to the royal jelly, there could be other factors, but none that come to mind. And in my diary I keep in order to track my PFS symptoms, I had written down that I was experiencing libido problems within a day of taking the royal jelly supplements. Another thing I want to add is that I just connected the dots between royal jelly and my libido disappearing. Before that I had thought maybe it was stress from school or whatever, but none of that makes any sense because I was never so stressed that I would consistently wake up without morning wood for days on end. This is so unfair…