Royal Jelly - A tonic to correct your hormone pattern??

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#131

Hi, I am new here. I am following this forum for a month. My problems lasts for couple of yrs.

I talked to expert today. He said that frozen form in unprotected since stomach acid destroys it. He reccomend me capsules (he produces it) and ordered right dose for my waight . Capsules are protected, and that way jelly can get to cistern intestine (sorry for my lausy english). Also, at experts advice, I should avoid some sorts of food. Hope I will have results from JB. So greetings and hear you soon, Desperado.

#132

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#133

striken wrote questionmark, so I ll correct my post:

  1. FRESH FORM of RJ is very hard to keep and very hard to get, once you took it out from apiary, quickly becomes very unstable and hard to keep its active ingredients, so it is neccesary to process it to save effects.(dont know exact procedures).

  2. FROZEN FORM is allegedly ok, but you cant take enough advantages of it. You could: a) swallow it, but then you have problem with stomach acid which will make it less potent (degrade it).
    b) keep it under togue as long as possible- (with intention to absorb it through glands in your mouth). Dont know, but this could be insecure.

  3. CAPSULE FORM- like i said, if (and only if) capsules are well patented and hard enough to provide that RJ powder gets to cistern intestine you should get your wanted effect.

I take 9 capsules x 500 mg daily (dose is: 500 mg per 10 kilo) and so far, monitoring improvement.

I cycled RJ in 2 cycles: first 7 days of 9 capsules, than only zinc tablets for couple of days, than again RJ.

Cheers mates,
Desperado.

#134

been a while since anyone has posted here. So whats the general consensus on royal jelly? worth trying out or is it no different than the other supplements?

#135

don’t bother

#136

That sounds like complete BS to me.

He’s recommending capsules he produces. What a coincidence. That doesn’t prove anything in itself. Maybe he’s the only one clever enough to make the capsules properly. OR, it allows him to make more money. Could be either. Let’s see.

The main point of gelatin capsules over tablets is that they dissolve easily. Get a glass. Put some lukewarm water in it. Drop in a capsule. See how long it takes to dissolve.

I tried that little experiment. 3 minutes. A capsule probably doesn’t make it all the way down your throat in 3 minutes. And when it does, it bathes in warm stomach acid, instead of warm water.

You try the experiment, and let us know how it turns out.

#137

I would say it is worth trying out.

Some people see huge benefits, bigger than most supplements, but diminishing over time, like most supplements. Most people aren’t helped, again, like most supplements.

I think the diminishing returns is a problem of dosing, for this and most other supplements that trigger LH release. Crisler recommends taking HCG no more than 2- times a week, and I’d think the same applies here.

#138

That sound like a real BS.

RJ is not HCG. It stabilises hormone patterns, but most of its effect is probably in numerous amino-acids which have antimicrobial effect. Do you know how it works? No, you dont. Do you have the proof it “triggers LH release”? You dont.So dont talk nonsenses.

To answer on your claims:

  1. Rojal jelly must survive the stomach acid in order to get to small intestine. From there it is absorbed to blood. I had it in capsule form, and that capsule form has more quality than those in drugstores.
  2. I didnt ordered my package from any company or from some buisness manager either. I bought it from domestic man who I personally know, who doesnt need any commercials and wants to stay private. He is expert in bee-field, familliar with medicine and doesnt make a money through sick people.

Desperado.

#139

On LH, I posted a couple of links to papers earlier in the thread:
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=36984#p36984

If you take the time to do a search, you can find numerous studies on Royal Jelly and testosterone, LH, prolactin, etc.

I know I’m just a crazy person and all, and the person selling you the pills is a real expert, but why don’t you try that experiment with warm water and one of his capsules? Then you can come back and tell me how wrong I am again.

#140

Listen,
I will be as short as possible: am really not a kind of person for pointless debates. I certainly have no need to “put capsule in warm water”. I took those capsules and noticed they have effect, since I was consulted by known person who have credibility and many years of experience. I bought RJ from him rather than on-line shopping ect. I am not planning to continue with this discussion. What is your point, anyway? I am only passing that there are some better products and some of less quality.

Capsules must be firm enough to make possible for active component to get into small intestine. I was informed by someone whos credibility in his field is well-known that those capsules are of better quality than others in drugstores. Let me say just that he doesnt have a buissness at all with RJ, because it is very complicated procedure and there is a lot of effort to make RJ. I am not saying that you will not suceed with organic form, but than you have to absorb it in mouth, not in a gut.

Second, RJ has effect on pitutiary as well as antibacterial and antifungal effect on urogenital system and prostate gland, thats out of the question. But, if you report that you had some improvement by RJ to specialist-endocrynologhyst (like I did) you will get an answer: “how do you know it is not a placebo?”. Only equal-rated answer on that question would be: “how do I know that your a not an idiot?”.

My point is: medical doctor will not recognize effects on natural drugs no matter how it helps (or articles printed on RJ), because it is not a chemical drug, they dont know its mechanism of work and they are not learning about RJ in their text-book.

Furhermore, there are numerous proves of anti-pathogen effect of RJ, since its incredible amino-acids helps immune system to fight invaders. If you use little of your time, you can find proves for that too.

Cause of PFS is not known, thus you can not claim that you have problem with pitutiary gland. For example, I tested my LH and FSH and results were normal. Endocrynologhyst couldnt help in my case. Thats the reason I have alternative view on PFS cause.

D.

#141

You claimed earlier:

My point is that you’ve provided no evidence to support this claim. The fact that your capsules work for you doesn’t tell us anything about the necessity for “patented and hard” capsules. It doesn’t even tell us that your capsules actually reach the cistern intestine intact.

Further, the fact that other people have had positive effects swallowing raw RJ without access to your expert and his magic capsules is evidence against your claim.

As for the rest of your post, you don’t want to discuss it, so I won’t either.

#142

Hi,
I dont have any “magical expert” at all, only consulted with right person. I explained you about facts that concerns taking most advantage of medicine, so…

I dont state that I have some magical capsules. But, if you buy it in drugstore be careful- there are low-quality capsules.(i.e. products from China which could be put on market without prior-performed lab-examination of quality and substrate itself).

Furthermore, I dont claim that “raw form” is not good, but one should not swallow it but keep it in his mouth as long as possible in order to absorb it by mouth-glands. I think that capsule form (if patent is ok) would do the trick, but (in future) I will try raw form as well to see differences myself. Raw form must be- immediately after picking up- properly conserved and stored in refrigerator. It must be kept on temp between -5 and -2 Celsius and up to 6 months to preserve its “healing components”.

It is not easy to find real fresh form, and it doesnt pays off to producers nor people who sell it. So, my point is: be careful with “fresh forms”, because you dont know is it made properly, is it stored properly and on which date it is picked up.

There are lots of false products on market, so my advice is to buy direct from bee-farms (manufacturer).

On the other hand (and taught), I think you have solid point comparing effect of RJ with gonade hormons made by pitituary. That thesis could be succesfully supported by presence of 237 amino-acids in HCG created by growing embrio during womans pregnacy (thus, making it significant for procreation). However, there are lots of other effects of this natural medicine (cell renewal, regenerative, bactericide, virocide, immunomodulation, anti-toxic, effect on CNS, ect.).

If we knew exact cause of PFS (or be able to prove common-line with tipical lab tests of PFS patients)-what we can not by now-, we would have answer why RJ helps with more certain levels.

Laters,
D.

#143

Maybe RJ is worth another look.

nature.com/embor/journal/v12/n3/full/embor20119a.html

#144

so we should start it again and give some months like 3 - 6 months?

#145

That’s what I was thinking. Possibily cycing it with sodium butyrate and other HDAC Inhibitors. Plus, plenty of exercise.

Doesn’t seem like a bad recovery protocol considering you’re doing everything you can to induce acetylation.

jp.physoc.org/content/588/6/905.full.pdf

As far as demethylating, anyone have any ideas besides the few demethylating drugs out there.

#146

updates?

#147

lol I just bought my first tub today. It says it has a high dose of 10-HSD. I will keep you updated.

#148

Because of Royal Jelly’s effect on the pituitary, LH release, and resulting testosterone (see my post as 4th comment in thread for references), I recommend treating it as if it were a GNRH or LH agonist, and using a twice weekly dosing like Shippen recommends for HCG to avoid diminishing returns, which people have definitely seen under continued use.

#149

its been a couple of months since anyone has posted about RJ… whats the verdict? Worth trying out? Any bad side effects or crashes after taking it for too long?

#150

yes, updates please?