Prostatitis treatment as a novel insight into Finasteride related problems

General Discussion
#1645

just 2 pills? well, maybe, its prostatitis and finasteride had little to do with it?

I took 30 pills.

Some guys took thousands of pills without any fucking sides, until they suddenly got sides.

Again, I don’t know, this is just a theory.
BUT
The procedure is SO FUCKING SIMPLE: go to a decent doctor, check your prostate for prostatitis (not enlarged prostate), ask for a trus, and then judge if this prostatitis theory applies to your case or not. If it doesn’t, forget about it.

With my experience with doctors, I’ve seen that:

  1. Given I’m 24 years old and its fucking rare that someone young gets prostate problems
  2. Given I introduce myself with sexual problems and/or all the finasteride background (which makes them think I’m hypocondriac or whatever)

Urologists ASSUME that there can’t be something wrong with my prostate (that it probably is some psychological ED) and they just make me lay down and stick their fingers without much attention. They feel it to be not enlarged, and that’s it, prostate is fine, it was all psychological AS THEY ALREADY HAD ASSUMED oh how good these doctors are they know everything they are like their idol DR HOUSE.

When I found good doctors that actually had experience with prostate, they made me kneel (and not lay down), stuck their finger and started feeling, putting pressure in different directions and located points of pain (prostate shouldn’t hurt, and mine didn’t hurt until they went with this spot that it made me insult him, cause it hurt.

Anyway, if you undergo all of this (NO you don’t need to go to fucking greece or Argentina or whatever, just find a doctor that cares and that has experience with prostatitis and dealing with it, and not an urologist that specializes in surgery or some field not related) and find no other evidence to think that you might have prostatitis, then you can just FORGET ABOUT IT and stop posting on these threads.

Why are you so obsessed with this theory, really?

If you think this is all bullshit, why do you keep coming over and over. When I stumble upong all those nutcase threads “did finasteride cause my toenails look green did anybody else notice this” “watermellon is the secret answer to all our problems: the watermelon protocol” I simply forget about it. Its a million times more productive to watch this whole video youtube.com/watch?v=VznlDlNPw4Q than to argue with some crazy people of the internet.

#1646

lol good one

#1647

man i start to believe that you are a bit slow and you are not replying just out of utter hate and misery
first i don’t need to read books or google the net to learn about hormones and prostate function like you probably do
i knew most of that unfortunately from med school
second i finished all possible searching around in forums and tampering with doctors and hormones and went to the urologists and 12 out 12 urologists told me that there is a prostate issue post fin
even hertoghe told me that who is not a urologist but an endocrinologist

so what is your problem from now on i don’t understand?

now there is going to be a research on prostate problems post-finasteride and we will see what the results will be, then you can go ahead and judge the university that is scheduling it

also there is another option you can go on and get your penile skin tested and search for unknown molecular based problems through awors/second amendments research and wait for results to come

till then take care and attack merck instead of me

#1648

And to explain this once again to you and your slow thinking

The prostate/testicles/epididymis etc etc and the whole genital tract are the main organs affected by finasteride. ORGANS and not only receptors.

go to any decent urologist and ask about it

if this is not enough for you to think what the first step in treating this could be then i can’t help you

hormones come next.
if it was only up to hormones there would be cure by now from all those endocrinologists that have seen us
but its not
its a mixed issue and treating one doesn’t help if you don’t treat the organ affected

finasteride swifted the converting ability of T to dht in the prostate. it atrophied the tissues needed for this conversion to take place.
Do you even understand what the prostate does?

And when microbes are present they get out of hand because several parameters change in the genitourinary microenvironment like immunity first of all.

So a small or unnoticed inflammation gets out of hand after you use finasteride, depending on the microbes present, and especially with the resurging of dht levels (after removing the drug) the inflammation boosts and the tissues are not as readily functional as before.

To end this there is not enough HEALTHY tissue in your genitourinary tract, but only remnants of non-inflammed tissue to convert T to DHT.

Thats why antibiotics work to a degree more or less for some. And so do any substances that drop inflammation like anti-fungals and others

So healing the inflammation will free up more tissues to convert T to dht. and then you can use hormones to boost that even more.

What this effect has on the overall HPA function is a more complicated issue but still any inflammation doesn’t let the HPA work correctly because cortisol is spend towards keeping this inflammation in bay.

When an inflammation is present and especially in them organs, then all problems are possible, fatigue, muscle wastage, brain fog etc etc…
You know what the HPA is and how it works?? Its the stress system you possess to endure pressure of all sorts, once it is suppressed then problems like the ones i mention above exist.
Thats why many found relief using cortisol but cortisol is not specifically targeting microbes or correcting anything in total apart from increasing the anti-inflammatory burden

Now if it was ONLY a total body 5-ar II blockage, without inflammations present, then you wouldn’t have any conversion of corticosteroids either, all the pathways beyond any 5-ar II mediated step would be completely blocked and now we would have some sort of hypercortisolaemia. But this is just minimal thats why you can still walk and think and metabolize at the degree you do.

Here we don’t have such a case.
We also have a case where through time things get better or worse depending on factors that you and some others don’t understand
Exercise/healthy diet etc etc boosts your sexual ability or it does for many in here.
If it was a molecular bla bla 5-ar II epigenetic blockage issue like second awor amendmnet state then there would be NO SUCH CHANGE IN sexuality whatsoever.
It would be the end of your sexuality and mass amounts of Testo would be needed for erections. So what is the point??
The point is that some people don’t understand the basics and look for the extremes. Thats what happens in medicine. Once you don’t understand the basics you think out of the box and search for science fiction stories.
They haven’t explored earth first of all but they look to discover moons in jupiter

We have more blockage in urogenital tissues than anywhere else but you and some others don’t want to understand this. Why is this, well i will let you think for another decade or google it around when more research is out

#1649

Exactly
Thats what happens when you use the drug, nephrologists even use it for kidney infections in some elderly patients.

But you know what happens when you remove finasteride???
Just In weeks the fucking bacteria explodes and the urogenital immunity gets compromised. And then you have a series of new problems coupled with the inability to convert to dht locally.

Thanks Mew
I guess urologists where right and endocrinologists just didn’t look at the picture down there till today, they where only obsessed about numbers. Well, except for Hertoghe

#1650

And who said that anyone had prostate problems whilst on finasteride?
I got them some time post fin, actually months afterwards, with relentless testicle pain and pain on sitting.
The only prostate specific issue i had on finasteride was reduced ejaculate, a sort of azoospermia, watery ejaculate as a matter of fact.

Yet there are people who mention prostate pains on and during finasteride.
Mew the research states that finasteride+antibiotics helps ease down bacterial prostatitis, not finasteride alone by the way.

he group given both finasteride and antibiotic showed a greater inhibition of bacterial infection in the tissue than those given either finasteride or antibiotic alone

what does that mean??
that finasteride shrinks the tissues where bacteria are harbored and that along with anti-biotics reduces the overal bacteria load, but it doesn’t say that finasteride on its own has such an effect. On the contrary.

But happens post fin removal…??? Well just put logic into your thinking
Dht returns, dht is a well known pro-inflammatory hormone, exactly what the bacteria need and an immune-dampening environment develops.

Who would be so naive to believe that prostatitis is cured by finasteride and anti-biotics, fin only irritates the tissues unfortunately.

Don’t worry we will soon have research to prove how often young people develop prostatitis post-fin use.

#1651

Just wanted to remind some folks to not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

There are some people doing well on antibiotics, myself included.

I’m going to wait 3 months before posting anything specific.

There is hope guys. Stay positive!

#1652

Some really good posts from you on this page Solonjk. Now, what is this research on prostatitis in post finasteride use?

#1653

Straw, meet man. Man, straw

#1654

For those still taken in by solonjk’s ramblings, watch this video. In PFS Something went wrong with the DHT activating properly with the AR. We don’t know exactly what yet. What we do know is that it has nothing to do with bacteria for fungus.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djqqao2Uebo[/youtube]

#1655

You talk like you are running the study.

#1656

No, I just have reading comprehension skills.

#1657

Good one.

#1658

SA really interesting video
we know that since 9th grade biology though

en.allexperts.com/q/Urology-Male-issues-989/2008/6/Information-Prostatitis.htm

maybe you could convince this poor fellow to take part in awor’s research protocol about penile numbness? it doesn’t matter if he hasn’t taken finasteride he still reports rubbery penis and small testicles… not that prostatitis does have anything to do with it anyways… i’m just writing it for the hell of a conversation

“[Size=4]My penis have become flaccid, i do not feel rigidity in it. I feel guilty during the activity of masturbation. I need to work a lot for masturbation. I also notice that my testicals are really small than normal, atleast i think so. I am also experiencing forgetfulness[/size]”

also read this basic research about T levels during chronic prostatitis

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1439-0272.1977.tb01267.x/abstract

“[Size=4]Reduction of testicular endocrine function is in direct correlative dependence on severity of clinical symptoms, duration of disease and form of chronic prostatitis. Distrubances of genital hormone metabolism are of considerable importance in cases of chronic prostatitis and its complications[/size]”

last but not least when you post some video about basic hormone metabolism look at it carefully when it sais where T is converted to dht. The organ is called prostate and finasteride targets that.

Thats all for now, lesson 2 next time.

#1659

what is bacteria for fungus by the way??

i think you are awor’s little brother or some bot clone programmed by him to reply automatically to anything indifferent to his study.

its impossible that the two of you share the exact same brain activity on epigenetic 5-ar II post finasteride AR deactivation.

#1660

oh Solon

Please stop making people fool.
It is not prostate problem. When it has been established it is Gender independent why do you stress prostate only.
Do you think removing Gyno will cure sides of fin?

#1661

Man i m bored of explaining the same over and over again.
I wrote dozens of pages about it
Once i take anything that drops the prostate inflammation i feel from a lot lot better to almost 100%
Smoking mari-j, proper antibiotic cocktails, massages…
The rest is history
You can play with hormones and other crap as much as you want. I know what my problem is. Finasteride atrophied my prostate, bacteria found pathways to develop, and the inflammation started.
Every single person with prostatitis knows what i mean, sexual side effects are the most intense. Read around the internet if you don’t believe me. People of20 years of age have lost complete sensation and even size of their nuts and penis due to inflammation. Don’t believe in science fiction, just believe in logic.
Just with finasteride there is a burden due to the blocked 5-ar II pathways in prostatic tissues. I know someone who developed prostatitis from too much andractim (dht) and since then his penis is also fucked up. He feels its dead numb and he pees twenty times a day
It has nothing to do with hormones anymore. They only where the initial trigger

medhelp.org/posts/Urology/Shrinking-penis-and-testicles/show/991002

read ===> prostatitis from chlamydia

im 24 yrs old black man, when i was 20 i notice the penis was shrinking, first length and then girth…now im 24 my penis is 1/4 or what is used to be…but now the testicle are shrinking and going up into my body…i have been to 5 urologist and no one can tell me anything…they just blow it off because my penis still gets somewhat hard.I have about 50 % sensation in my penis now…i need to know what should be my next step…should go to a unversity…and maybe they can help me…or should o i go to another doctor and tell him he should do a biopsy…also should i get checked for prostate cancer if i haave 2 close relatives that have already been diognosed with it…I have problems with starting and stop peeing, if i dont push urine out it sprays everywhere…but im only 24…if anyone has any advise please let me know…i need it…[Size=4]also what can untreat chymidia do…I have been treated for chymidia once before and a couple of months later i think i got it again because of the symptoms[/size]…but after about 8 months i went and got check and they said i didnt have it anymore…my testicle also have shrank alot…my whole praviate area has shrank in general…my erection are about 50% of what it was 1 1/2 ago…i have feeling next year i will not be able to achieve an erection…i dont have pryrione diease…it not curve at all…but it is hard when isn;t erect…i hope that you really look into everything im saying and not say the samethings the all of the rest of the doctors have said…thanx

#1662

Second Amendment - you don’t know SHIT.

Your just some guy on a forum that has digested some information that you know nothing about and are now going around spreading the theory as fact. Give it a rest.

#1663

For those still taken in by solonjk’s ramblings, watch this video. In PFS Something went wrong with the DHT activating properly with the AR. We don’t know exactly what yet. What we do know is that it has nothing to do with bacteria for fungus.

What a moron, Yea You’re right 2ndA it has nothing to do with bacteria for fungus. However, it may very well have something to do with Bacteria or Fungus.

#1664

Solon how can you be so sure by finding just few individual examples.
how do you know if this guy had not used some kind of shampoes (containg saw palmetto) or used some energy booster (with soy etc) or not used and muscle enhancer from natural food store. Go to any natural food store like GNC and you will be surprised in how many so called herbal vitamins Saw Palmetto is used. Saw palmetto is not alone, Don Qui ( chinese med), Acai berry etc they all give the same sides.
I have been in contact with a senior member on Musclechatroom who constantly gives advise to others about hormones and consider him self an expert. I asked him why his hormones went down and he told me because of his age. I was not satisfied and kept asking him questions and soon he told me he had used Saw Palmetto for years. you see here you go. I mentioned him right away his problem to him but he refused to admit and got angry. you see how people can be adamant.
I have been witnessed to two prostate related deaths. No way they were like us. They were in pain but there was no

1- no muscle wasting
2- no apatite loss
3- no sleep loss
4- no dry eyes
5- no Gynocomastia
6- no digestion problems
7- no body shaking
8- no memory loss
9- no depression (the kind of depression we have)
10- no joint pain
11- no bone, joint pain
12- no osteoporosis

These deaths did not occure in Canada. May be these guys did not use any finasteride or like this med. The cures of saw palmetto is still unknown in many third world countries. So I am assuming these guys were not under any anti-androgen or anti 5 AR treatment.

So when you bring up example of people with prostate I never trust.
I have been to urologists recently who performed digital exam and so far my prostate is fine. I have no prostate problem.
As I mentioned I have used many meds for my prostate like
Uroxin
Doxy cycline
Ampiclox

But I never had any issues like I have now.