Prostatitis treatment as a novel insight into Finasteride related problems

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#1585

Hmm i did like 55 therapies.
Initially i took three antibiotics, tavanic spectracef and vibramycin for two weeks. I felt worse to start with with new urinary symptoms and prostatic ones which i never had before so i stopped treatments for a while.
Then I went again for a second session doing treatments 16-35 where i was given glimbax, avelox and spectracef. By day 30 all symptoms where gone and i had general increase in strength, muscularity, hair loss, sweating and erections. Epidydimitis was gone and i felt unexpectedly good.
Then i dropped down in therapy 38 a bit when we introduced a new drug from Japan, a new quinolone for which alone i had to pay 400 euros since i imported it to Greece.
This drug definately changed the immune balance in me and within a nite symptoms started flaring up again.
We switched soon to the previous treatment and i started getting better again.
I stopped for another month and went back for treatments 36-55 and i stopped due to lack of funds and because i got tired of the antibiotics and being away from home all this time.

Two weeks later i noticed the strongest erections ever which lasted till today. I also have a better outcome in my testicular function, sperm color, quality etc etc.
Prostate is definately smaller as i can even ride a bike and not hurt or feel numb penis anymore.
Only thing not completely gone is the small continuous atrophy in my testicles. But it is better than last year.
I am 80% better than pre-treatments in all aspects.
Its been a while now (almost 4 months post treatments) nothing has changed, results are like they where two weeks post.

I am only considering using Glimbax in the future for sure and probably one other antibiotic if i go for more treatments. I will also try some Testo booster prob nolvadex.

I am aware of someone else who went and left with different side effects than when he started but not feeling worse sexually. Offcourse this is all a possibility.
Yet after having talked to soooo many people over there in almost 2 months of visiting i would say that 80-90% of the patients had satisfactory results some average some impressive. I met old ones and new ones. The new ones where always eager and easily dissapointed. The older ones who abided to the treatments had very positive outlooks.
Everyone is different though and that is a sad part of the story.

Look, i am a guy who couldnā€™t drink alcohol at all because of intense prostatic and testicular pains last year or so.
Last night and every time i go out i donā€™t hesitate to drink even 25% alcoholic drinks.
So, i cant be all that wrong. I have no such issues like before.

I am not saying it is THE FINAL AND ONLY solution.
But it is A DEFINATE STEP TOWARDS THE RIGHT DIRECTION, especially if you have tried hormones and it didnā€™t help or made you worse.
The immune/inflammatory issue is important too, not only the hormonal

TREAT YOUR PROSTATE
That was my way to treat after following a bunch of other approaches that almost damaged me irreversibly

#1586

Glad to hear that you are feeling much better Solonjk. Thanks for the update. You damn well deserve to get better!

#1587

Keepup, I know youā€™ve suffered for years and we all understand wanting to try ā€œanythingā€. I hope things improve for you.

#1588

A lot of Kos guys are holding out from posting for varied reasons - there might be more treatments down the line for some of us, couple of us are struggling with major quinolone side-effects, some are focused on examining themselves and figuring out their other problems, some are busy with their lives, lot of us fluctuate or arenā€™t sure what is happening exactly and what is the supposed stabile state of thingsā€¦ and so forth. Keep in mind that this treatment possibly maximally lasts for a year or two ā€¦ and progress or even regress occurs case-to-case basis and we fluctuate and fluctuated ALL THE TIME. And yeah, defending oneself is tough especially during the treatment, though possibly a lot of guys will drift for now and are focusing mostly on figuring out their respective solutions so maybe thatā€™s not the issue for now.
So you may have to wait much longer. The guys just donā€™t want to advertise something that might not work or might be even dangerous.

I did something like 55 treatments for now and iā€™m intending to go back next summer if i can. I kept holding out from posting for various reasons too and even now iā€™ll be brief for nowā€¦ When the constant demand is HOW IS YOUR ERECTION HOW IS YOUR LIBIDO and since i fluctuate a lot and in general am just pretty confused with how iā€™m doing sexually, well, itā€™s tough and i want to be pretty thorough for you guys :-/

like solon, i have spoken with a lot of prostatitis patients in Kos and have heard many stories. Everything solon said is true. Iā€™ve also heard incredible stuff there. Itā€™s just really hard to relate all the good and bad experiences shortly. Itā€™s just so much! There are also risks involved but iā€™m still not sure what kind of apart from possible hard-quinolone side-effects. Itā€™s confusing still at this point but i know solonjk got his erectile capability back so thatā€™s something.

Iā€™m not recommending this but iā€™m not dismissing this as not working or more dangerous than benefitting. I think there is something important in this that i donā€™t understand entirely. I donā€™t think either that this is the ultimate cure but it could be a pretty major help to some of our problems, moreso than most of treatments on this forum. Itā€™s just have seemed like a gamble so far i guess, CASE TO CASE. Thatā€™s how it has seemed so far but on the other hand, i think solonjk, me and xhorndog have done most of treatments so far so itā€™s hard to tell if this could had helped the other guys (or every guy, idk for sure) more or in a major way at some point. This is in no way a set or determined treatment where all the progress happens at set intervals or happens certainly in any case.

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Thereā€™s some things that i know for certain: all of us certainly have badly inflammated prostates and different degrees of penis tissue degradement. The TRUS i have seen from a lot of us and from other Georgiadis patients confirm this. Thatā€™s like 10 finasteride guys with chronic prostate infection. To lot of us this treatment also have affected our erectile and sexual/prostatic capability by a whole lot and we fluctuated compared to regular prostate patients i think! so this definitely has something to do with us.

In my case, it is confirmed by a laboratory that i have a bad type of infection in my prostate and i donā€™t know where i could have possibly got it, it makes no sense. fuck finasteride jesus christ.

iā€™m pretty certain that finasteride fucked something up especially in the prostate a MAJOR time. Iā€™m also one of the worst cases here (though this doesnā€™t mean much here i guess) and i used creatine monohydrate post-crash which ABSOLUTELY worsened my prostatitis. You can read about that from my story, i just had obvious prostate inflammation flaringā€¦ i only tried to do like you other guys and do hormonal routine which didnā€™t work at all.
As it (creatine) has worsened lot of other peopleā€™s conditions here too, iā€™ll warn against using it. It is certainly VERY dangerous with prostatitis or finasteride but i still donā€™t know for sure why in my case especially it reversed a lot of my physical symptons eg shrinkage.

Also, oneā€¦ special thing i have confirmed before i go to sleep and start working on some school stuff: i had pretty bad adrenal/chronic fatigue/brainfog/memory/hypoglycemia that improved slowly towards the summer. It was still total sh*t as some or lot of you know, The REAL cripler of finasterideā€¦
Since my long bones and finger joints started to hurt and since everything solon said made sense to me, i took my chance with this treatment.

The first treatment TRIPLED my energies and improved my eyesight (no joke). Tripled guys. I got my life back at this point. A strange calm came to me right from the beginning (no joke still, i guess itā€™s the chronic fatigue improving).
However, during the second half of the first treatment my hypoglycemia got really bad and it was starting to cripple me (and i feared of type 2 diabetus)ā€¦ well, second treatment at the the third last day improved my energies to 95% from HIGHSCHOOL times and almost fixed up my hypoglycemia. I was nearly there pre-fin in energies and mental clarity, creativity and EVERYTHING, holy shit.

In my case, iā€™m pretty much sure that prostatitis is absolutely the reason of my fatigue or at least the biggest sole reason. I canā€™t say for other guys but for me something happened after 50 good treatments and being a relatively lucky with my prostateā€™s condition anyways. soooo I got my life and music back!! I just feel so much better in every way.
Unfortunately, even though i think iā€™m 80% and sometimes 90% i suspect it will degrade again slowly (both chronic fatigue and reactive hypoglycemia) which is why i want to do the third treament. Iā€™m not entirely sure if the infection is cleared yet and tbh iā€™m not sure if i can find a place to diagnose it here in Finland (finlandā€™s med/doc sucks).

#1589

Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but has anyone considered nanobacteria? This is a possible etiology for prostatitis.

Nanobacteria: a possible etiology for type III prostatitis.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20488493

Nanobacteria Article by Dr. Shoskes (pdf)
prostatitis.org/pdf/shoskesurology.pdf

treatment:
nanobiotech.us/urobac/

#1590

From the same companyā€¦

News Coverage:
youtube.com/watch?v=9W-PoQSKNfU

again, a bacterial cause for chronic (heart) diseaseā€¦in line with the concept that infection leads to immune response, inflammation, impaired functionā€¦perhaps anywhere in the body, any organ, and perhaps more so in DHT-dependent tissue?

#1591

Do you have any confirming bloodwork on those you mentioned recovery? (3-Adiol-G etcā€¦)

Friday iā€™ll order my first lab after 2 years after my quit, iā€™m so interested in your recovery if anything related directly prostatitis, i dont want to mess with TRT,HGH,HCG Dietā€¦

#1592

any updates?

#1593

I have done the treatment and I am worse now than before. Some others worse as well. Most of the others are the same as before the treatment

#1594

I had around 30 treatments and can safely say that I did not benefit much from the treatment in terms of sexual function, however i did notice other improvements namely better vision and a noticeable increase in saliva.
Also before treatment, one of my legs felt slightly shorter than the other, but the treatment seems to have fixed this and loosened things up in this area.

I have been to see a new doctor in Ireland recently who specialises in ā€˜unexplained ilnessesā€™.
After a series of tests, I was diagnosed with ā€˜adrenal stressā€™ ā€¦ a problem that has been undiagnosed until now (been suffering for over a year now).
This seems to be my main problem at the moment and i would strongly encourage everyone with pfs to go and get a salivary cortisol test done.

The doctor that i am seeing at the moment also thinks that i may have a prostate fungal infection, but priority at the moment is to treat my adrenals first and then see how i am feeling.

I have checked the following website:-
prostatitis.org/prosfaq.html
and it states that ā€˜Fungal infections of the prostate often reveal themselves by sores which form near the tip of the penisā€™.

I do not have this particular symptom, but thought i would mention it, in case someone else does.

#1595

Do you get muscle twitches?

#1596

how that can be possible? can any one explain it to me , please?

#1597

Itā€™s common for one leg to be slightly longer than the other. Iā€™ve heard from a medical professional that this is often due to unbalanced muscular structure. Perhaps one side of nonimanā€™s hips were more constricted than the other and the process of prostate massage relaxed and evened out these muscles.

#1598

nomiman; the reason it felt like you had one leg shorter than the other is because you HAVE got one leg shorter than the other, simples. - like Iā€™ve had all my life, but no useless fuckin muppet of a doctor ever takes this seriously in this country.
Thatā€™s the only reasojn for your muscle imbalance.
Go to your Gp and tell him to refer you to an orthotist, theyā€™ll measure you up and make up an appropriate insole to wear.

You could have ended up with scoliosis and osteoarthritis in you neck like I have. The massaging is only a temporary solution.

#1599

Blah blah, another poster assumes their opinion is the only opinion. In case you didnā€™t notice noiman wrote that this problem seemed to go away with prostate massages. Itā€™s safe to assume that relaxation of muscular structure is a more likely cause than bones growing. if the problem is no longer there then thereā€™s no need for further treatment (ie orthotics).

#1600

guys please be on the thread, no unrelated stuff. Anyway now we can conclude prostatis theory is a dead horse. It did not work or even made problem worse for some boys. I think this thread should be locked and we shoud look else where for our solutions.

#1601

This is on topic striken. Noiman discussed how the prostate treatment affected him:

This means that the invasive prostate massage could have had a further effect around the surrounding muscle tissue. I agree itā€™s not extremely valuable information and prostate massages are not the cure we are seeking however itā€™s a valid anecdotal report from someone who pursued this treatment.

Besides, youā€™re the one who highlighted it:

#1602

Seanyboy01.

The short answer to this question is: No.

However, i will watch out for this symptom in future, now that youā€™ve mentioned it.
I donā€™t want to rule out the involvement of prostate fungal infection, as I have been exposed to household mould for a prolonged period (it was behind the bath and i didnā€™t see it) and there are other guys on this forum who have been diagnosed with infection, e.g. gefinauser and solonjk.

Strangely, i had a stool test and a semen culture test but neither showed up any signs of bacterial growth.

I will certainly mention it to my doctor at the next consultation, however currently i am not having any obvious problems with my prostate.
No pain or discomfort, urine flow is good and ejaculations are ok.

Unfortunately though, there is no clear window into the prostate to check if everything is okayā€¦

#1603

thanks for heads up noniman.

yeah but you forgot that my bad fatigue and hypoglycemia is pretty much fixed because of this, though i need to see this personally to the end whether itā€™s my prostate infection that was causing it. my vision improved much like nonimanā€™s and my urination issue that iā€™ve had for past 5 years is gone & urination power has improved. i also recall many of you saying that for short times your vision was improved during the treatments. solonjk certainly improved vastly on this treatment and still is pretty good as he has said.

in other words, i think there has been mixed, complex results (mostly negative) and i donā€™t know if 30 therapies are enough. most of us did just 30 therapies but xhorndog did as long as i did (50 therapies or so) and he didnā€™t improve as much. also, my spontaneous erections now work but the morning erections are near gone as happened to someone else i think?
and i only improved again at the second treatment after a certain therapyā€¦ that day i also had stronger prostate painsā€¦ which makes me think that this can be really luck/chance-based therapy where finding the right spot where some infection is really down to a chance every therapy.

so all in all, itā€™s hard to say anything conclusive about this other than itā€™s risky, itā€™s not a walk in the park in any way and maybe thereā€™s truth in it that we donā€™t realize yet but itā€™s going to take time to figure out possible answers. so no, i wouldnā€™t want this to get locked.

#1604

This ties in quite nicely with the things being discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=5341&start=140