Like I say, Solon isn’t asking anyone else to rip out there prostate, so why does this keep coming up? Can’t we just continue the discussion on prostatitis?
J89 can you tell me what is the relationship between prostatis and gyno? If you think there is can you prove it with logics? adn studies?
spstriken,
Would you stop posting here? Do you know how annoying you are?
If you have gyno go do something about it and stop thinking just cuz you have certain issues everyone else has the same set of issues. As I mentioned before not everyone has gyno, not everyone has prostatitis but some might.
You’re asking pretty redundant questions… why not ask why doesn’t everyone get sick from taking finasteride like we did… at the moment we have no idea what’s causing the problems we’re dealing with…
Why are you so against people trying to find a solution to this, just because it doesn’t fit your set of issues? Maybe prostatitis is part of the equation. No one’s asking you to spend your time and money to go to Greece, so let’s wait and see what the effects are of the treatment after their recovery from the prostate massages and antibiotics are.
Would it upset you if prostatitis was actually part of our problems?
Seriously your way of thinking is pretty arrogant and selfish. I’m sure everyone else would agree.
For the record i don’t have any gyno, brain fog or muscle wastage.
All my problems are basically related to sexual function, libido and changes in penile tissue. This is why i have taken an interest in this thread. I haven’t made up my mind yet about anything and i have reservations about Dr. G but i’m just interested in hearing peoples experiences, gathering information and keeping an open mind.
Also spstriken, I don’t really see your point that because one transvestite had problems with fin that automatically means its impossible that the prostate has anything to do with our problem. Transvestites are on a whole bunch of meds and hormones you don’t know what the fuck their system is doing, do they even have a penis? Besides they don’t even post here anymore so how do you know they even are still suffering?
As far as i’m concerned whether or not prostatitis is the root cause of PFS is irrelevant as the two conditions are not mutually exclusive. i can understand peoples apprehension about Doctor G, i have these concerns myself, but i’m not going to attack people who have made up their own minds and spent their own money. That was their decision and they made it, i am grateful however that they have taken the time to report back for our benefit.
me too.
maybe we hav to split us in different subgroups, and each maybe have to find a proper way
forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?12980-Anyone-have-prostatitis-and-ME
Just to throw it out there. Prostatitis looks as if it could be quite a common side effect of other illnesses. In the link above you have people with CFS and M/E discussing there prostatitis.
I think our root issue is with inflammation/immune system response and probably the central nervous system is involved - maybe why some have success with GHB. Prostatitis is just another side effect of the overall/ root problem.
Hence why we have to find out what the root problem is.
Incidentally, this thread has not been productive in the sense that it’s brought the theory of prostatitis as the cause of all this into the forum, as some have ludicrously suggested. That has been around since the beginning of the forum and further back.
I recently reread some of the yahoo group stuff. There was a user there called okifigg who had chronic bacterial prostatitis and was diagnosed and treated by Dr Duncan Gould in London. He wrote that he made a full recovery for a week, including reverse of fibrosis and shrinkage, then it faded away again. Seems to be the pattern with soem guys using antibiotics, his was oxy something. He is one of the early members of the forum here but never posted.
prop - I hope to God we’re all suffering from the same problem or it will be even harder to fix than it is now. I think those of us who quit > recovered > crashed are in the majority, maybe there is something else going on with guys who just get sexual sides which don’t improve or get worse.
first weneed to find a common sign, not symptoms
I don’t believe most people believe it’s the root cause of our problems, but it could be a symptom we may have. So far we can only treat the symptoms and hope we get better from it.
According to wikipedia, prostate growth, development and ‘differentiation’ are highly dependent on DHT.
DHT is ‘synthesised’ in the
- prostate gland,
- testes,
- hair follicles
- adrenal glands.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrotestosterone
“DHT is synthesized in the prostate from circulating testosterone by the action of the enzyme 5α-reductase, type 2.
This enzyme is localized principally in the stromal cells; hence, those cells are the main site for the synthesis of DHT”.
Maybe we are suffering from some sort of ‘5-alpha-reductase deficiency’ syndrome:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha-reductase_deficiency
possibly as as a result of a problem in our prostate stromal cells e.g. inflammation/toxins/infection ?
That’s easy. The logical explanation would be that DHT is produced in the prostate and DHT is an estrogen antagonist.
It’s interesting how when I felt my worst after the prostate treatment, I felt extremely estrogenic. I don’t know how I know it’s estrogen but it just feels like all the estrogen symptoms flooding back, like bloat, no libido, ED etc.
So if that happened when my prostate was temporarily worse, perhaps it will go away much more when my prostate heals in a few weeks.
No this is wrong. Unlike testosterone, DHT is a local hormon. It is intecellular hormone and is produced where needed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrotestosterone
I second that notion.
spstriken / J89
You are actually both correct.
DHT is metabolised in specific tissues like the skin AND the prostate:
ergogenics.org/anabolenboek/index11en.html
I found this interesting article today that suggests that the balance of DHT and 4-androstenedione should be 1:1
mikemahler.com/articles/Dihydrotestosterone.html
If DHT is higher and androstenedione lower, it creates a pro-carcinogenic state. However, if DHT and androstenedione levels are both high and at a 1:1 ratio, the pro-carcinogenic properties of high DHT are neutralized by the anti-carcinogenic properties of androstenedione. So if you’ve had blood work indicating high DHT levels, be sure to have the androstenedione levels measure as well…
Also noticed that this guy suggests:
- Taking magnesium oil to increase DHEA
- Using a specific carnitine product to increase androgen receptor uptake
(it contains 4 analogs of carnitine: l-carnitine, n-acetyl-l-carnitine, propionyl-l-carnitine and l-carnitine l-tartrate)
Before anybody goes off on a rant and says this post is not relevent to prostatitis, blah blah blah please don’t.
Dr Georgiadis has been prescribing carnitine to many of his patients, after prostate therapy.
I have been taking some carnitine recently but i’ve checked the label and it only says l’carnitine. The other 3 types are are not mentioned so i may try this other recommended brand with all of 4 carnitine types and see if it is any better.
Also, i think i need to get a blood test done to check my androstenedione/DHT ratio.
Later.
I am suddenly getting really bad problems with the prostate and bladder. I cannot clear my bladder at all, it feels as if there is urine clogged up in my penile shaft and i have completely lost all feeling in my scrotum/ testicles. I can sit on the toiler for hours and not completely finish emptying my bladder or bowels.
Struggling to even type this message, my brain feels fried.
What the fuck to do? is it worth me going to a GP and just getting on some antibiotics?
Definitely go see your doctor and follow his/her advice.
Have you tried the broccoli treatment or a nettle root supplement?
Also cranbery juice is reportedly good for flushing out the bladder.
I tried the broccoli treatment way back, i would do it again now but i am in a shared house so it’s kind of awkward doing any of that stuff.
I really am dreading going to the doctors and whipping out my shriveled, discloured and eczema ridden PFS penis but i am going to have to i think. I would love to tell them everything but i am assuming that wouldn’t go down too well with your average GP.
No sure but it seems like this could be a rebound effect. How long has it been since you stopped or are you still taking it?
Not to further our argument from before but if this a new or increasing side effect from finasteride please let the people know who are considering it again.
I have had it before plenty of times and i have been very anxious today. It has actually stopped now, but i feel like shit as usual.
I have times where my scrotum/ balls don’t respond at all and feel empty and times like this where i am always using the toilet and my balls are tight all day and feel full.
I don’t want to deviate from the prostate thread, but UK20, have you tried a liver cleanse. I use to have pretty severe bloating had it for several years till I tried a liver cleanse. Although I still have a bit of bloat it’s definitely not as bad as it use to be.
I’ve recently tried the broccoli treatment as well, and after about a week a I felt a bit worse on it, I may try it again just to make sure.