In previous posts I have listed the reasons why I don’t believe the prostatitis theory and none of them had to do with whether or not my personal set of issues matched. In fact, my personal set of symptoms do overlap with common symptoms of CP but this is the case for many medical problems.
Besides the fact of Solon going mental with prostatectomy I may add something to the prostatitis theory discussion:
After Solon started this thread, and given the fact that in no way I can go to greece and spend that money, I started searching something around here (Argentina) about prostate, and I found this site (it’s in spanish fundacionbarreiro.org/).
It’s a center dedicated exclusively on prostatitis. They have a treatment that is basically against what most urologists claim.
They are strongly against surgery, and what called my attention they are against finasteride or any equivalent.
They are aware of the manila protocol, but currently don’t practice it anymore (cause patients didn’t like it).
Their theory is that you not only have to clear the infection in the prostate, you also have to clear any other possible way of getting infected.
The treatment, although, is not that crazy. It consists, among other things, of
- antibiotics
- diet
- sitz baths with malva every day.
- something similar to the broccoli treatment but with malva, and every fucking day.
- a special capsule that they developed that supposedly improves your immune system
- And, with patients like me who ended up here because of finasteride, they said that it is important to take something to improve erections. (They gave me this capsules with herbs, ginkgo, ginseng, etc; they preffer to use that before trying viagra)
There are some “bogus” claims on the site (in my opinion, cause I don’t buy most of the hippie dietary theories that are around) buy mainly, everything looks very legit.
I’ve just started with this, and after 3 weeks of antibiotics haven’t fell any fucking change. BUT I must admit that I havent been doing the treatment properly, so I still will undergo this treatment because:
1)They are the first doctors who no only believe me regarding finasteride; they have experience dealing with patients who got fucked up with it, and are strongly against it. They also have some ideas about how finasteride could have helped for the infection spread (unlike Dr G, given that they have seen many patients with this condition, they see a clear relation between finasteride use and prostatitis)
2)Beside antibiotics (for which I haven’t felt any side at all), the treatment or invasive (or expensive at all) and I’m not running risks messing up with hormones or flying over to greece.
3)I think that, to not end up insane and more fucked up that you already are, you need to try something safe to feel better (not the magic cure, but at least to feel some improvement). To me, It’s not healthy to just sit, browse the forum and refute any possible theory and wait for the magic and completely logic theory that will cure us. Medicine is not theoretical physics, you won’t get the same kind of consistence values in their statements (don’t forget that it was medicine, and its fuzzy standards when it comes to approve high selling chemicals, got us in this mess). It’s more of a practice, a therapy
ps: Frustrated, if it feels better for you, many of the doctors in this foundation studied abroad, so you don’t have to worry about our third world sciences. Lol just kidding
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I found this post quite interesting as i have had severe sinus issues (constant sneezing, runny nose, itchy feeling in my sinuses). I went to a doctor about it a few months ago as it seemed to be getting worse and i have never been bothered by dust or pollen or anything like that in the past. I actually told him i felt like i might have a sinus infection but he dismissed it as hayfever and gave me a prescription strength nasal spray. This seems to help somewhat, but your comment got me thinking.
This is another prostatitis website that discusses a link between prostatitis and sinusitis.
chronicprostatitis.com/sinusitis.html
EDIT: I also want to say to Xhorndog that i agree with what you are saying. My plan at the moment is to wait and see what comes of awor’s research which i support wholeheartedly, but if it turns out that there is no perceivable change at the molecular level then i think that the most logical explanation is a combination of physical damage, hormonal imbalance and possible infection. That said i don’t beleive the two theories are mutually exclusive, i know that i have penile fibrosis for example as i can feel a tough thread in the dorsal part of my penis.
It’s not simply between sinusitis and prostatitis, but rather, they claim that infections anywhere (caries, sinusitis, urinary etc) can cause the infection on the prostate.
Which is not something new I think, I’ve heard by many doctors that infections can “travel”, or cause other infections.
No, I didn’t take the trus, just a digital rectal exam. But they do that too.
I took cipro for 20 days, and now I’ll be taking something called “priper plus”, which are capsules with pipemidic acid and fenazopiridina (for urinary tract infections).
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Ok…are you making fun of me or not? I don’t get it dude 
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I forgot to answer the MAIN question: What did they say about actually curing somebody from finasteride background?. In general, they say they can cure you. But, when I asked “how many young healthy guys like me have you treated and cured”, It was more of a " We don’t get many patients like you, but they are doing better, don’t worry this can’t be a chronic condition" than a “yes, we did it with 100 guys”. And also, I only spoke to one propecia guy who went here, and he didn’t cure it. So, we’ll see what happens.
ok…it is already a good thing they acknowledge the problem…hope it will do you some good.
This prostate theory all BS. This is not our cause and I repeat none of us will get cured after doing this. There are many questions which this theory will never answer.
1- on this forum there is one trans sexual “greywolf” he has got the sam sides as we do. What treatment should he get when he /she does not have any prostate?
2- many girls/women are suffering as we do after using Acutan/fin, again what is their treatment? what massage they should get?
3-How prostate theory describe brain fog, muscle loss , osteoporosis etc?
4-how this theory describe low 3 A dio G?
5-How this theory decribe gyno development?
6-It doesn’t describe how some body builder women who use testosterone and use fin get the same effects after using fin?
7-this theory doen’t describe why Men/Women alike get hyop thyroide after using Fin?
THIS THEORY IS WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY and possibly a health hazard.
How much does the Argentinian treatment cost?
If you don’t believe in the theory, why don’t you just stay off this thread and not visit this thread, it’s real simple.
How does the use of finasteride explain an enlarged prostate I got as a result of using the drug, a lot of us don’t have gyno, and we’re not dealing with issues that you’re dealing with.
Why don’t you just stay off this thread, if it makes no sense that you. Why continue to try and discredit the theory cuz it doesn’t fit your set of issues and while we already have people who are coming back from Greece and will eventually report their results.
Some of us don’t have gyno, muscle loss, brain fog or thyroid issues. I understand some of the issues you listed a very serious issues especially muscle loss, but some of us are not dealing with these issues. If you’re suffering from muscle loss I would consider trying testosterone replacement to see if it has any benefits. Also a lot of issues overlap so it could be multiple areas we need to treat, I’ve tried all sorts of hormone treatments with no noticeable benefits, except for a significant increase in strength.
There are people reporting back from Greece who have seen some improvements although not a cure, so just do everyone a favor and stay off this thread by not commenting on it, I’m sure all of us who are considering this option would appreciate it.
I just want to add my thoughts.
My own experience is that antibiotics have been the only thing that have really helped me. My story with them supports the idea that antibiotics are useful. Why is up for debate.
Keep in mind i am a sufferer who has:
- normal hormonal values
- normal adiol-3g value
- evidence of androgen function - losing hair, back acne, able to put on muscle
- prostatic pain, perineum pain - confirmed on a PR exam
- normal size prostate as evidenced by trans abdominal ultrasound - no clear evidence of atrophy
- responds to tribulus terrestis in terms of libido and erections - worsens fatigue and pain
- feel worse with full bowel or bladder
I recently had benefit from a holiday where i think the sunlight and therefore vitamin D i think calmed down things a little. I had a few good erections and orgasms.
I thoroughly disagree with solonjk and his desire to remove the prostate. I also am suspicious of his manner however I have entertained interest due to my personal experience.
They charge you 300 pesos per consult (about 70us dollars), and they make you go once per mont. Antibiotics cost about 30/50 pesos (about 10 dollars). The digestive pills they give you cost 100 pesos (about 25 dollars), and the capsules for the immune system cost 150 pesos (35 dollars). The malva is not expensive, you can get 1kg for 35 pesos (less than 10 dollars). The pills they gave me for erections cost around 70 pesos 4 pills, but you can find it for half price I think.
Given that social care covers up the the consults and antibiotics, I end up paying like 350 pesos per month for everything.
Still, I don’t see this as a super innovative treatment, but rather, doctors who are not dicks and know a little better than most I’ve seen about this problem…But well I’ll have to see if I feel any significant change or anything happens, to finally judge them.
Spstriken:
Ok, maybe it does not (but, to be fair, what is exactly the prostatitis theory? what are its main postulates and its corolaries? there hasn’t been anybody who developed that…for now, it’s just a freaking hypothesis) but how does your theory explain that there are subsets of all the guys with Postfinasteridesyndrome, with consistent different sides?
Not all of us get shrinkage, brainfog, gyno, complete impotence. There is a subset of people who get some sides, then there are other subsets with other sides. Maybe, we’re not all responding the same way to this drug that was DESIGNED to affect the prostate? Is that something new to you, given the fact that we already knew that not everybody responds the same way to this drug (some guys get well after 3 months, some don’t).
So, let’s suppose that this is all bullshit; the best way to get sure about it, is to explore it a bit.
I am skeptical enough about it, don’t worry, it’s not just a leap of faith; if I don’t find any change, I will post it, don’t be scared dude.
This absolutely must be followed up for the sake of everyone suffering from PFS. Please, we need to find out more about these ex Fin patients and how they were treated. What was the outcome?
I don’t know if anyone else ever curiously checks out other forums such as the hard flaccid/ sexual exhaustion ones but Prostatitis is a big theme on the hard flaccid forum by the looks of it. They are even talking about the use of Quinolone antibiotics. It looks as if we are all going round in the same circles 
An update on me:
I have just gotten back from Dr G recently and only stopped therapies about a week ago so it’s still very early.
A couple of weeks in, I noticed I had a dream about a woman, nothing sexual, just chatting, but I then woke up with a good erection. The next morning I woke up with a VERY good erection. The following night, I had another dream about a woman, this time somewhat sexual and woke up that morning with another very good erection. This continued every day for around 7 days. Then the morning erections started to wain and over the next 3 days they eventually dissapeared altogether.
A couple more weeks past and generally (and from the start of treatment) the numbness has been worse and my libido throuought the day has been worse than usual.
About 4 and a half weeks into the therapy I had a random very good erection while in bed. Then the following night and on the last night of antibiotics (3 days after the actual treatment stopped) my libido was exactly like it was when I was at my worst while on Finasteride. I almost could not ejaculate at all, which is pretty bad for me these days. It was a very sick feeling of feeling very estrogenic.
Interesting how the prostate treatments took me back to those same symptoms. This tells me there is a link there. Now I still feel worse than I did before I started treatments but I hear the prostate needs time to heal, so we will see.
Also I am having to get up in the middle of the night to urinate which has never happened to me, so not sure what’s going on. It seems that my prostate and sexual symptoms (again, interesting that one leads to the other) in general are worse than before I started treatment and hopefully this is only temporary.
I am also doing the penile rehab with the pump and injections etc. The first time I used the pump, I got a strange libido type feeling, but have not had it since.
Ive tried to be as straight forward and thorough with regard to my symptoms and any improvements…
Shrinkage/ turtling isn’t that uncommon even for normal blokes apparently. For me, if i have a full bowel or bladder shrinkage gets really bad.
I vote that we call it “turtling” from now on.
It sounds much better.
Can any of you other Kos guys explain to me why I might be worse than before I started treatment, even when the treatment has stopped? Shouldn’t I be progressively getting better?
That last night on the antibiotics kinda freaked me out a bit when I could hardly even cum. That hasn’t happened in a LONG time - not since I was actually on the drug.
Also the pain on the tip of my penis is even worse now and I hardly noticed it before…
Oh dear
I wish you well mate. I understand things dont improve over night and that sometimes you need to take a step back to take two steps forward but this is profounding worrying. Aren’t you still in contact with Dr G?
I wouldn’t panic just yet, it’s very early. But it was a surprise to find that even 3 days after the massages stopped that things got far worse. Lucky it was only that one night that I had the problem. Now im better but still not like I was before I went there.
I’ll give it some more time, at least a couple of weeks before I get back in contact with Dr G. This could be par for the course. I was just wondering if anyone could tell me why this happens.