Do you, or anyone else know anything about this place?
I highly doubt that it is normal, it is indicative of an infection…
Do you have a source for this “lack of fluid”?
I have noticed a distinct scent, but it’s hard to know for sure if it’s any different from years ago when this mess began for me.
Good observation, btw.
From Wiki
The function of the prostate is to store and secrete a slightly alkaline fluid, milky or white in appearance,[5] that usually constitutes 20-30% of the volume of the semen along with spermatozoa and seminal vesicle fluid. The alkalinity of semen helps neutralize the acidity of the vaginal tract, prolonging the lifespan of sperm. The alkalinization of semen is primarily accomplished through secretion from the seminal vesicles.[6] The prostatic fluid is expelled in the first ejaculate fractions, together with most of the spermatozoa. In comparison with the few spermatozoa expelled together with mainly seminal vesicular fluid, those expelled in prostatic fluid have better motility, longer survival and better protection of the genetic material (DNA).
The prostate also contains some smooth muscles that help expel semen during ejaculation.
I forgot exactly where I read it, but aparently it lubricates the semen, which a lack of (as seen in prsotatitis) could explain painful ejaculation (friction in urethra). Will look for link.
en.allexperts.com/q/Urology-Male-issues-989/Lack-ejaculate.htmUrology/Lack of ejaculate
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Around two months ago i noticed that my ejaculate became very lumpy all of a sudden, and although it recovered to a normal consistancy within a few days, only a small amount of seamen now appears when i orgasm. I do not have any otehr symptoms and am in good health apart from this, but it has been in this state for several weeks now and its getting a little disconcerting. I have checked for lumps in my testicles and have no other symptoms.
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Paul, during sexual arousal the prostate gland manufactures fluid that accounts for about 2/3 of the volume of ejaculate. The seminal vesicles are paired structures located behind the prostate gland that also manufacture fluid. Sperm from the testicles (which account for only 1-2% of the semen) travel up a series of tubes (epididymis and vas deferens)on each side to join the seminal vesicles forming the paired ejaculatory ducts. These structures empty into the prostatic portion of the urethra. At the time of ejaculation, prostatic fluid is discharged into the urethra (urinary canal where it mixes with discharge from the ejaculatory ducts forming the semen. The semen volume is in the 2-6 cc range.
There are many conditions that can effect your semen. The most common cause of lumpy semen is infrequent ejaculation. With this, fluid not released becomes somewhat concentrated and thicker. The most common cause of a decreased volume of ejaculate is too frequent ejaculation which doesn’t allow for adequate fluid build up. There are many other fatcors that can influence the semen volume including prostatitis (inflammation of the prostate gland), stricture of the ejaculatory duct(s), etc. I suggest you note the changes in your semen in relationship to your ejaculatory frequency. If the volume doesn’t fluccuate as I described above, I suggest you seek consultation with a urologist. Good luck.
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This may be an indication of prostatitis.
When you are passing hard stools, the prostrate may be compressed during this process.
Pressure with hard stools on the prostate may result in some prostatic secretions coming out of urethra especially if you have some prostatic inflammation. Presence of pain in testicles may also indicate the latter.
I actually find i empty my bowels more frequently than i used to as i think it lessens some of my symptoms. Holding it in is not good!
My symptoms always get really bad when i need to use the toilet. Shrinkage gets really bad as does the colour of my genitalia, and my scrotum goes extremely tight, while one testicle ends up looking like it wants to pop out - it’s all very strange.
There is definitely something going on with my prostate!
It makes me wonder because… When my very first problems occurred, before the crash which was when things got serious… I finished intercourse and inside my penis tip came a bunch of red dots and some pain. They still appear now and then. But i never experience any pain.
I know when I first started with Cialis back in the day, I would have prolonged boners without ejaculation. This was before PFS. I’m wondering if the use of a PDE5 inhibitor could lead to swelling of the prostate in cases when I didn’t “seal the deal” with the girls I was seeing back then. Put another way, the prostate did its job in anticipation of ejaculation, caused the prostate to swell, but I never ejaculated. (Yeah, I dated some girls who didn’t put out and the dose was wasted!)
This is consistent with my experience as well.
Gefinauser,
Did you notice any improvements after treatment or is it still too early to tell?
Thanks!
So it’s too dangerous too be prescribed for the prevention of prostate cancer but safe enough to be prescribed to anyone with a receding hairline. Way to look out for the public’s best interests FDA.
BIG UPDATE: poga, harryp, venceromos and blase were all diagnosed with prostatitis. Include me, noniman and solonjk… that’s 7 finasteride guys to have a chronic prostrate infection. I’d be damned if this doesn’t have at least something do with our condition. At least i wouldn’t worsen my symptoms with the chronic infection, i cured my urination problem and i won’t risk a prostrate cancer.
the treatments are beginning to be really easy now and i can just focus on where the inflammation is during the therapy. i am apparently doing really well with the inflammation. I might be done 95% at least at the end of the therapy… well, hopefully. only 12 days left for the treatment.
Ahhaha this page owns. Guys, yellow semen is… not normal. It propably means that your seminal vessicles are infected too - i got the yellow, thick, hazy semen after using creatine monohydrate for almost two months. This is after finasteride and after abusing hormone (t to dht metabolism booster i think). You can read about it in my story. I never had that before finasteride, my ejaculation was just fine. I just can’t remember how it was after these months of watery/thick/lumpy/strange/yellow/hazy ejaculation…
Hell, you can just ask Georgiadis but i’m pretty sure the answer is the same.
I guess it’s okay to tell now as the improvements seem stable after nearly 4 weeks. Note: like i said, things fluctuate during the treatment and the actual recovery occurs after the initial therapy. That’s when prostrate regenerates it’s tissue. Lot of improvements happen in the following month or two (obviously much better if you have minimal infection/inflammation left) but the real recovery takes about a year.
My plan is to wait for this year and if after initial treatment, tissue regeneration, possible special therapies for prostrate regeneration and penis triplex injections (note, these are all things Georgiadis can do but don’t complicate your mind over it, the latter mentioned are for special prostrate cases) - if after this year i don’t see the last improvement then i go for endocrinologist approach and maybe try restarting HPA-axis or as a last resort use testosterone. If at this point i don’t see the last improvement then i admit my defeat in prostrate angle. It would mean that the problem really isn’t the chronic inflammation/infection of the prostrate or that it isn’t at least part of the problem. But so far, this seems promising.
So summer 2012… here i come woman, coming to get ya --foxy lady
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So improvements: Day after he started doing prostrate nerves, that was maybe 2 weeks or a week ago, the next day i was actually AROUSED of women in fashion magazine even though it was slight. that ofc went away but man, after 8 months of nothing.
And yeah, the sexuality is improving a little! No big improvements ofc, propably occur after treatment for me. I fantasize a little bit these days and the quality of my semen has improved (you know NOT SO YELLOW ANYMORE ergo less infection in seminal vessicles). I have slight morning erections, well i had those before for some but it’s positive those occured DURING the treatment too. and penis looks healthier. and uh fantazising can now give me a slight erection or depending on the urge a semi-hard one. oh and my eyesight got better (has retained so, even though i thought it was just a placebo from hearing from noniman and this older guy). some kind of anxiety lifted when i started the treatment and brainfog and fatigue and bone/joint pains are gone but i’m gonna assume that a lot of the latter improvements came from lot of sun/d-vitamin.
Oh and my urination problem - i couldn’t empty all of my urination for the past maybe 4, 5 years? even if i pushed as hard as i could so i would get urination to my underpants - is almost gone. This is so weird.
noniman got a whole lot better improvements and some of them apparently lasted after the treatment even though midway through he fluctuated for worse. However, he still has a lot of infection left so he has to come back for more and for a longer time than propably i have to.
I’ll write a big summary/essay about prostrate treatment one of these days as some of you guys seem to have this misconception that a prostatitis is a “side-effect” or largely harmless sympton of finasteride. It deserves a book or another on it’s own and it’s hell of a grave and hazardous sympton. Maybe after the treatment once i’m done with all this hassle.
This is also why i am worried of aworr’s study as he is putting a lot of money, time and reputation on the study he is conducting with his three scientist groups on penile/prostrate nerves… which could be explained by a secondary sexual dysfunction caused my prostrate inflammation affecting the prostrate nerves and not a primary condition like that. Propably similiar symptons to androgen resistance as well as the hormones aren’t working correctly due to prostrate’s infection and inflammation. I sent him PM’s two times but he really isn’t listening.
So hey, the best thing you participants can do for the finasteride cause and yourselves is to take TRUS either back home and send it to Georgiadis to see if there is a inflammation/tissue changes in prostrate or even better (a general estimation/overlook by him) or even better, fly to him for a diagnosis so that he can directly diagnize you for a prostatitis and see if your prostrate nerves are being affected.
If you don’t believe it’s worth it or don’t believe that prostatitis is dangerous then whatever. Maybe you’ll change your mind later on, maybe not. It’s not me who is having a long-term, severe infection then.
and spstriken, if you once more come into this topic to mudrack and derail the topics with your bullshit, i will ask Mew to ban you from this topic or something similiar to that fashion, do you understand. At least i will not respond to any of your posts from now on unless related to prostatitis and questions about it or of the treatment. You are not being much better than what Oscar did a little way back but at least he is propably reading this topic and giving it some thought or waiting it to fall over. At least he has some manners now unlike you. Don’t bother replying on this.
I have a somewhat smug tone in this post but likewise i’m disapointed of the lack of co-operation/willingness to examine the problem at different angles or at least the willingness to listen at other people here at times. I try my best to explain this problem in the future but i can’t make people listen. I’m very grateful for solonjk for posting this and i am indebted to him. Hopefully you, Mew, are giving this theory or possibility a thought. It MIGHT be the cure or at least part of the reason regarding to our symptons. This is all a possibility and/that we’ll know in time. Personally, i still wish aworr would be examining prostrate and how finasteride affects it and those who have an ongoing prostatitis but que sera.
To my understanding, Georgiadis might get 10 more finasteride people this summer. I’m uncertain if it’s the total amount including us or is it 10 more (he said that they maybe might be coming). I advise you other forum users to follow closely if the following members have prostatitis and see how the first ones like me are improving or working from the clean-prostrate starting point and onward.
Thanks for the update gefinauser!
Can you confirm you dont have the same staph issue solan did! sorry if you have already covered this!!
Cheers
Getfinauser, how are the seminal vesicles treated? Same method? I assume you’re getting treated in this area as well?
I am not sure if you have seen the other thread I posted, but I sent him two separate emails with pictures of healthy prostate images I found on the internet and he diagnosed them both with chronic prostatitis and said I would need to fly to Greece from the US for a month-long course of treatment for thousands of dollars. So far he has not told a single person that they do not have chronic prostatitis, even if you present him with pictures of healthy images.
gonna edit the answer later, gotta go to treatment
If he says that he saw inflammation or change of tissue in those healthy pictures then it brings a question that were those actually healthy pictures or did he do some kind of mistake or similiar.
The first one is not particulary unlikely actually!! Not many urologist do or can even analyze TRUSes of prostrate. georgiadis told me that it’s uncommon that possible patients send him TRUSes first because that is not helpful for him too much. He needs to see the prostrate himself, not something an urologist… like PROGRAMMED TRUSes are pretty useless but at least he can try to see if he can still see the change of tissue
Case story: A professor of urology did a TRUS to my best friend to diagnize if his prostatitis (been a hell of a degrade of life quality for him) had became “chronic”. He said something along the lines that you can see it from the “change of tissue” or something similiar so that reminds me of what Georgiadis does with TRUSes BUT he actually told me best friend that nope his prostatitis hasn’t become chronic! As prostatitis can or cannot be chronic - it is ALWAYS chronic. Once infection gets there, it stays there and only spreads slowly everywhere in the area. You can alleviate the symptons with anti-inflammatories but well ahha.
I don’t believe this guy is a snake-oil seller. He has treated about 2000 patients and done TRUS for 20 years. I ask him questions almost every day and you can only imagine that at the beginning i wanted to ensure that i was not wasting my money for nothing. Two loans man.
Way too much unconstructive negativity in this thread recently, but Ill just say to frustrated (whom at least doubts are founded on his trap-experiment with Dr G, although I think his conclusions are much too definitive and hasty) that the last TRUS that he sent (the SSRI scenario) were made and commented by RADIOLOGISTS not uros.
Nobody that I know of has been able to get prostatitis diagnosed from a TRUS by a radiologist. I did have a TRUS done by a radiologist that couldnt see anything alarming, although he did add that it didnt mean that I didnt have prostatitis.
The only ones I know of that have had prostatitis diagnosed based on TRUS are me and a few others by Dr Georgiadis, a urologist ( whom you can be legitimately doubtful of) and Blasé, by a young progressive french urologist who is not Dr G, nor Greek if this is what scares you. All urologists, NOT radiologists.
Also Dr G saw a varicocele in my left nut that my radiologist failed to see (he did write “no varicoceles, normal testicles”). And this has nothing to do with prostatitis and his subsequent therapy, so he is not trying to sell me anything by diagnosing this varicocele (just told me that I needed to have it checked every year, by any urologist).
Now that there are too many negative people that are jumping on any of the slightest shades upon the prostatitis theory to quickly, harshly and definitively condemn it and send us to Awor’s experiment as the only solution, while also adding that we are wasting our money (and enduring tremendous pain for nothing), Im afraid I will have to stay away from the forum, or at least this thread, for the duration of my therapy, as I need to keep a strong and positive mind to go through this without going crazy.
So luckfax, spstriken, oscar, and also even mew, you should realize that you are not doing any good for anybody on this forum reacting the way you are , as it is obvious everybody here should benefit from our feedback. You do have the right to be sceptic and doubtful (and even should be), and we obviously accepted to take a certain amount of risk goign to Greece so early without much more feedback from PFS people, but you certainly shouldnt be so happily condemning the theory and our endeavours so hastily and harshly at the slightest hint of suspiscion just because it doesnt fit with your long set mind on different theories.
How sad is it to read the above post? Because whether you’re a skeptic or a “believer” in this theory, or somewhere in the middle, you’re following this thread, and you DO want to hear back from the guys in Kos.
But your negativity is deterring people who are going through a trying, exhausting and painful therapy from coming back to share. Some of you (you know who you are) are frothing at the bit to jump on these patients, this theory, this doctor.
You are forgetting that these people are fellow sufferers like you. And they want nothing else than to get better. And they made tremendous sacrifices to reach this doctor. And you are dashing hopes because of your cynicism, rude manners, stubborn bias. They researched just as much as you. And they can link together diagrams, wiki pages, articles, conjecture, pubmed studies, and match symptoms just like you and make every bit as logical (if not more) an argument for their targeted theory. And don’t kid yourselves, you have no expertise, no medical degrees, just internet access and a lot of time. Anyone can connect dots and impress the layman. But ultimately, we’re never going to find out what works unless we have feedback from the clinical setting.
As I posted 35 pages earlier, people are scared to report back positive results of therapies that are not strictly endorsed by the elite few on this board who dictate the overall narrative. This gets proven over and over, as people are literally telling you that they don’t feel comfortable reporting back. You are literally generating so much negativity that they are afraid to visit and report.
I mentioned that Ihatepropecia702 was making amazing gains using anti-fungals, but instead of instigating a discussion of how this was possible, we got stuck on debating whether or not leaky gut exists (it does, it’s treated; maybe not by the doctors with Harvard diplomas on their walls, but for those who’ve recovered from IBS, we know not to follow their dietary directives anyway).
It was supposed that the anti-fungals might have some other effect than what they were prescribed for. Cortisone and dexamethasone were added to his regimen. He’s seen an even greater improvement. The doctor told him that he believes these are having an anti-inflammatory effect on his prostatic edema; but that they are temporary solutions, and the underlying infection persists. This is interesting stuff for discussion. But again, some people already claim to know the precise mechanism of finasteride damage. It seems that it’s EVERYTHING but damage to the prostate area which the drug intentionally, by design targets. It’s the liver, the adrenals, the this, the that, every other flavor of the week, every other passing trend of a cure.
If you’re contemplating writing back a retort–DON’T! The message is, if you don’t have something constructive to discuss, refrain. Show some tact, some sympathy, some civility. Foster an environment where patients WANT to report back, and don’t have to read pages and pages of anonymous internet in-fighting. Once we get a body of reports back, especially when some time passes for the true healing period, the concept can be truly evaluated.
Until then, the most useful thing would be to research chronic prostatitis / immune system / DHT suppression on the immune system / infection / inflammation and supplements and treatments and adjuncts to the therapy that might be useful to those receiving it.
Again, if you don’t have something positively constructive, if you’re going to post something that is sure to piss off someone, please DON’T! We already probably know your position, and you can start your own thread to explain all the perfect answers.
Please stop beating me up here. I have already stoped posing in this thread about prostatitis theory. It was solon who was pulling me. When I realized it was a waste of time I stoped responding to him.
Lastly please don’t send emails to Awor. Let him do his job just as you are doing your job.