Prostatitis treatment as a novel insight into Finasteride related problems

Every time I post crucial, time-sensitive, treatment-specific questions directly to the author of this thread, another cycle of the same theory-bashing posts and charts pop up like weeds. And the argument goes in circles, over and over. People have picked their sides, and those that are interested in this treatment would like some answers. Is it too much to ask to not continually clutter up the discussion? As such, I won’t even bother with the pretense of changing my initial question, now buried pages back:

[Size=4]I feel like the most important questions are being drowned out because of the endless bickering. For some reason, people trying this new therapy are being held to a MUCH HIGHER standard than any other treatment. Instead of appreciating the fact that some people have taken initiative to explore this treatment, we are crucifying them for not reporting miraculous results for a therapy which by all accounts from the literature out there makes you suffer terrible regressions (you’re allowing an infection to re-permeate your system!). Please people, suspend judgment a little, offer more support, and perhaps the guys will be more inclined to share their insight and ordeal more. I imagine Solon is disillusioned with the mob mentality on this website, when all he was trying to do was share “Prostatitis treatment as a novel insight into Finasteride related problems.” Each one of us can connect dots all we want on paper, but to me, ACTUAL RESULTS FROM TREATMENT MATTER MORE! YOU CAN AND SHOULD ONLY CONNECT DOTS IN THIS REVERSE ORDER. AS IN: “THIS TREATMENT WORKED” SO LET’S REVERSE-ENGINEER OUR THEORIES. So I’ll re-post in hopes that this is noticed by Solon (can we try to wait for his response rather than contributing personal attacks and repetitive reiterations of theories ALREADY EXPRESSED A MILLION TIMES ON THIS THREAD AND OTHERS??:[/size]

[Size=4]Solon, I think what confuses most people is that they don’t truly understand what your “before” and “after” erections are like. And I think this is what MOST concerns MOST of us on this board. Perhaps, you can clarify this in no uncertain terms? What was your sex life BEFORE treatment? And what is it like NOW?[/size]

We’re all wondering—“Can I get my arousal from fantasy, porn, and WOMEN back—by treating CP with Dr. Georgiadis?”

Most of us have limp dicks in romantic moments. Most of us require Cialis, Viagra, Levitra, penile injections, or a cocktail of herbs and supplements to prop ourselves up to a semi-usable erection.

Will this treatment result in erections in all likelihood (barring exceptional cases and complications)?

I THINK you’re saying yes. I THINK you’re saying that you used to have erectile dysfunction, and now you’re having great sex (without Cialis, etc.). And that you are upset because you were hoping your testicles would improve in size. My guess is that most of us cannot even fathom the degree of testicular atrophy that you must have experienced (something like a steroid-abusing baseball player?), and therefore it’s hard for us to understand how this would be more important than getting ERECTIONS. I do have sympathy for you here, as it clearly bothers you. I have experienced some testicular shrinkage, but for me erections are the MAIN thing.
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Lastly, it is a little ambiguous how to plan for this treatment, because it appears it can take longer than expected, and follow-up visits do not seem uncommon.[/size]

Which is the best possible plan (assuming one has flexibility)?
• Is it best to allow for, say, about 2 months with the doctor? To do as many consecutive massages as possible?
• Is it better to get treated for about a month, go home, see how things improve, then follow-up as necessary?

If you could PLEASE try to respond line-for-line with precision, and as little ambiguity as possible, I think it would go a long way to clearing things up for people. Yes, I realize that every individual case is different, and so on. But GENERALLY speaking, in your best ESTIMATION, is the reality that people may need to get a one-way flight ticket and prepare for the possibility of an extended initial stay? Is the likelihood high that people would need to return a few months later for some follow-up therapies? This is kind of the “word on the street.”

I know you’ve been through HELL, and a LOT of scrutiny, so I thank you for continuing to come back and stand up for the cause and explain stuff. Again, if you could clear up the above questions, you may not have to keep re-posting. Sure, there are those who just don’t see eye-to-eye with you, but I ASSURE YOU, THERE ARE MANY MORE THAT ARE WATCHING EVERY WORD YOU POST AND APPRECIATE YOUR REPORTS BACK AND YOUR INTRODUCTION OF THIS THEORY AND TREATMENT. SO THANK YOU!

[Size=4]Guys, I have found evidence that casts doubt on the legitimacy of Dr. Georgiadis. Please visit the separate thread and discuss there. Thanks.[/size]

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So why then, did you hide this section of the forum from the general public? Why are those who discuss subjects that are not well known in main stream medicine always unfairly criticised for all the research and hard work THEY do? I just don’t understand why it annoys you so much when people on this forum look into things like nutritional deficiency, prostatitis, toxicity, candida etc… and go so far as to hide entire threads from the public.

Perhaps I’m cofusing researchers for lawyers, but either way there is a definate agenda going on under the surface. Either way, it slows down the potential of us finding a cure amongst ourselves. I really don’t think researchers care if we want to discuss prostatitis, in fact they would probably encourage it.

I want to know who this dr Chrousosis that Solonjk was taking about a few years ago… Did anyone end up seeing him? What was the outcome.

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You must be out of your mind good sir… Youre clearly misunderstanding what he is saying…Please delete that thread for F’s sake!

THIS.

I don’t see the need to scream out that this doctor is fraudulent when people who are actually visiting him can report back to us on the quality of care and their results. I know another doctor mentioned on this board has performed costly surgeries to some of the members here in an attempt to fix their PFS issues (it didn’t work) and those members haven’t posted that he was “a fraud”.

I have also been to another one of the “top doctors” here who really didn’t do anything about some obvious blood issues but i didn’t come back posting that they were fraudulent.

it was unnecessary to stir the pot when people can make their own choice.

it’s a bit unfare, and most important u r putting the forum on a lawsuit risk.

let’s wait for solon report

This has gone too far. Everyone needs to just wait and see now. And please stop writing in big fonts. Its really annoying. The real question is it has seemed to help solonjk, and it did help boston in the past so is it at all a useful therapy? For whatever mechanism. TRT is as fradulent in my opinion at this present time. In fact any prescribed treatment is.

Wait and see.

Listen man !
you are not that important for me…

The admins here do a fine job of sticking up for themselves but I need to say I’m pretty disappointed in the tenor of some here who have shown disrepect to those who have done so much for this community over the last year I’ve been here. I can’t beleive how people can be so ungrateful when they’ve done so much. I couldn’t imagine a class action law suit or several top tier journal publications. And, I literally prayed for a research program. Its through Mew and Awor and others behind the scenes that these things have been accomplished. One unsubstaniated report of a successful “treatment” by a user who without any explanation deletes all his posts and we forget about all the other work that has been going on. I’m all for keeping an open mind but lets not forget the only thing that will really give us answers- a microbiological investiagation of PFS.

Now is the time for all of us to support Awor’s research project.

Ditto
Awor and Mew are really heroes and ones who we should be thankful to. Who knows their work today will save lives of millions in the future.
Now I request to all who can afford ,please participate in the study viewtopic.php?f=33&t=5282

Because as i said i have reached then end of my queries and there is nothing else to search for man.

Not even a better doctor to visit than the 100 or more i have seen till now
So to leave here a thousand pages detail so that ppl misunderstand complicated info about hormones and receptors and values and and and is useless.

Each one should realize that the first step in treatment is look at the major organs affected from finasteride.

If they are not under inflammation then he can plan his next step a hormonal one (if indeed he needs it because time can heal minor non-organic hormonal fluctuations, even major ones in many cases)

But running through unpublished bias about HPA dysfunctions and suggesting ppl to visit internet doctor gurus and play around with hormones when a very important area of your body is under serious inflammatory strain this is bad medicine for everyone

Too much info has complicated people’s thoughts
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many still don’t believe me but I S W E A R , even not knowing what goes on in each ones prostate and genitals, if you manage to reduce the FREAKING inflammation ANDROGENICITY COMES BACK.

I believe till now that this dr i found in Greece has the best but most logical approach. He has treated ppl i have seen them and talked to them and they express gratitude. I have seen others still fighting to get rid of it and others starting in disbelief but soon realising its the only way out.

Offcourse this has to do with every ones tolerability understanding of the problem and general attitude. Some think that a five or ten year old inflammation can be healed in one or two weeks. Well this is impossible. It is too complicated.

But no matter what one may think, one issue always remains. If your organs are affected by finasteride, then you need to heal them before progressing to any other step. You need a transrectal ultrasound to see that, and you need drenching therapies with complicated antibiotic cocktails cut and sewed for each individual case. And if you haven’t messed up your bodies with self treating or going to helpless doctors then you might get a very good chance to get the best results out of it.
It may take time, devotion but it is the only way out till something newer comes about.

And irrespective of how low your dht levels are. It is the inflammation that is causing problems not the low dht on its own. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS.
With dht almost zero and i know there are people having sex, so can thousands of people around bodybuilders etc etc, but with an inflammed genital area you cannot, you don’t feel anything no sensitivity, your mood is down, your nerves are affected so is your erections, your sperm quality is bad, your neurotransmitter metabolism is affected (like in all chronic inflammations in various tissues), and along with high cytokine production this causes dampening of sexual effects and a negative feedback to cause HPA suppression and a bunch of hormonal irregularities

its just low dht contributes to the blowing of the inflammation it makes tissues WEAK. The effect is in structural proteins and immunity

you will see one day when your genitals are free of issues*

You will see

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Dr. Georgiadis’ is offering a diagnosis that he invented out of thin air for a prostate that is 100% healthy. In no way am I trying to stir the pot, but on top of the previous red flags (claims he is the only doctor in the world who perform this technique, it is unteachable etc.) it seems very clear that he is taking advantage of us. Of course, everybody is free to go see him on their own but I think those who do so will do it entirely off a leap of faith. Maybe I have become jaded and cynical because of what has happened to me, but there simply is no evidence that this is legitimate and there is a lot of evidence to the contrary. I will still wait to hear what the others have to say about the treatment but have very low expectations. I hope they improve, but will be very sad if they continue to be manipulated.

[b]I really wonder what is your theory of treating all this after all the arguments you have posed in here

Just start naming treatment approaches and doctors you ve been too and what you have tried, so the rest of the gang in here can start following because i am SOOOooo desperate to find out[/b]

You haven’t even taken FINASTERIDE but SAW PALMETTO IF I CAN RECOLLECT???

SAW PALMETTO???
and you are here trying to convince us about finasteride side effects and that ro-accutane does the same shit to women like finasteride does to us because you read some research somewhere in a fancy magazine

so you are trying to suit everything to fit your problem not ours

YOU HAVE NOT TAKEN FINASTERIDE

YOU SHOULD JUST BACK UP AND TRY TO LEARN NOT POSE YOUR UNSCIENTIFIC INFORMATION AND COMPARISONS REGARDING TRANSEXUALS.

and YOU ALSO SAID THAT YOU DID PROSTATE MASSAGES FOR 2 MONTHS AND THEY FAILED. WHICH IS A LIE. YOU JUST WRITE CRAP DERIVED FROM DIFFERENT MOTIVES AND I START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE SLOWLY BUT EVENTUALLY

he doesn’t need patients like you believe me
he meets patients like you, he just closes the door behind
he doesn’t need to take advantage of people, they are just soaring up from all over the world because they didn’t get any treatment any where else
i don’t like him personally because i suffered so many days with his treatment and i don’t wish that anyone has to go there
but if there is no other place in the world till now to get results well the door is open for people who can tolerate

by the way my prostate was not healthy
nor is most of the individuals in here

but you seem very interested in all this approach after only 20 posts you made you concentrated on dr. G

so you can also give us all an insight, on how to get treated after finasteride does our prostate look like a bombarded city

You didn’t wait. You called the guy out.

Just wanted to share with you guys this news of a gonorrhea strain which is resistant to antibiotics. See article here.

Dubbed H041, the strain has extreme resistance to all cephalosporin-class antibiotics, the last remaining drugs still effective in treating gonorrhea

If gonnorhea, why not chlamydia? (which has been linked to prostatitis…see this link).

Frustrated He is excused he seems to suffer from Mania post finasteride.
its logical to act like that

he just doesn’t think that people in here have been suffering for 8 or 10 years with myriads of issues but never acted like that.

bahhh i am so sick of this forum and it only has been one day i ve decided to rewrite

thats really gonna be the end of me here
i am off for good

to mew and awor

just make sure that dr. I includes 3-adiol-g in his research and at least a transrectal ultrasound.

His research till now helps noone. It cannot help in any court or provide any significant or specific data, unless he comes in person and uses his credibility for each case and explain to clueless judges what this damage is all about and how it is different from any other sort of hypogonadism.
The two above tests are the ONLY ones that DEPICT THOROUGHLY Hypogonadism and inflammatory DAMAGE BY FINASTERIDE

*By the way thanks to the trojan horses who haven’t even used finasteride but judge everything and everoyone i am leaving for good. I don’t have the luxury to spend even a minute more in trying to convince the ones who have a mission or any other silent merck worker

saw palmetto is 5ARI both type I and type II it has been shown in countless studies. Why you are asking this. Mew has posted here too. Go on pubmed.com and you can find countless studies. I am lazy not going to do for you.
why should you lie about cystoscopy and prostate massage? what would I get from it. I got my massage and cystscopy here in Ottawa at Ottawa Reverside Hospital. Just google to find this hopital. I can not name the urologist but he is not whit canadian I think he is from Vietnam or other asian country. Any one who lives in Ottawa can confirm my statement.
I got further massages from urologist , he sits at Carling Avenue clinic,. He is an Egyptian old man in his 70ies. Again some one living in Ottawa can help you. Honestly your attitude is very biased and you called me a liar ,which is very heart breaking for me. If you still don’t believe me I cant help you more.
Listen I feel your pain and I am having the same pain, but please don’t call some one a liar. how would you feel if I call you the same way.