What’s to contemplate?
Finances…JOB? What world do you live in Oscar, because i live in the real world.
Not too many people do such extreme measures as this, I’m gearing up to do it on a leap of faith.
Seanyboy, i’ll be in contact but it wont be as soon as that. I might see you over there, though. I’d need to discuss financials.
actually i am a moderator, henceforth I am able to moderate posts.
it has been, generally, 48 pages of the same thing being discussed - and any thread, this one or any other, should be kept on topic - since we have members (including the thread originator) evaluating the prostate angle I am sure we can limit ourselves to more important posts.
Thanks so much, Sean.
Well I find all of the posts valuable. Thoughts from the people who are doing this and are considering doing it and all that goes with it is valuable to me…and many others Im sure. Nobody is taking away from the overall theory/idea in this thread. If anything, most are trying to take it forward.
to sean and everyone else, we have already had several people say they have:
seeing these things posted over and over again do not assist our situation. we should allow people IN TREATMENT to post and then reply from there. It isn’t that anyone is less important than anyone else, it is that the concepts are repetitive.
Whatever. Im not goin back and forth with you. The thread should be left open to any post as long as its on topic.
If the prostate had bacteria in it all along, including friendly bacteria, before any finasteride was taken - does Giorgiadis treatment of anti-biotics kill all the bacteria? including the so-called friendly ones? aren’t these supposed to be good for the body.
Yes where are the people being treated? Please share your experiences whether positive or not.
I will summarise all the RESULTS people have had:
May 29th 2011
solonjk
I have reached treatment number 28 and today i am doing 29th. Last two weeks i have been producing amazing amounts of pus, white dense matter when my prostate is being pressured. In the first weeks i felt great pain as the prostatic capsule was very resistant and strong.
I am feeling a lot of improvement, i have stronger erections for sure, which come and go especially when i wake in the mornings, but i have to say that before i end this phase and wait for the antibiotics to clean out and my prostate to calm down i cannot say percentage of improvement.
My initial goal is to retain the size of my testicles to this point, this was my major problem to start with, and improve my erections. Also to improve the fatigue and sluggish feeling i have in the mornings
Jun 01 2011
Today, i have to record that i have no feelings of pain or anything anymore. I think that prulifloxacin is doing the job, i was on prulifloxacin, clindamycin and moxifloxacin for a week, then switched to levofloxacin because of headache due to pruli, but levofloxacin doesn’t act so dramatically in the area, so i split the plurifloxacin pills (doc said i shouldn’t) but i prefer to take the correct drug even in split doses day and night rather than take something that may need more time to clear out the pathogens
I know my prostate was 25cc when i started treatments, today it must be around 16-17 i can sit for hours on a chair, i feel no pain, several ml pf dense white fluid has been drained and i feel no pain in 90% of the prostate even when the doctor pushes with all his strength. Today he was cleaning the seminal vesicles and there i felt a bit of pain. But the sense i have is extraordinary, i have energy that i never thought i would have. All this inflammation made my body a wreck.
I also forgot to mention that my hair started itching badly in my scalp last few days and i regrow hair in my lower arms and legs. I don’t know if this is coincidental, we will see soon.
2nd June
But its definately getting me better. Just to look at all this despicable fluid coming out of my prostate is enough for me to feel better. The energy i have is unbelievable. I really can’t wait till we reach to the end of this.
I am now at apoint, i have to say it takes patience and will, but above all you have to have a clear set of thoughts, to get here. I reached a point where i haven’t felt so good in the last several yrs. I sleep better, have energy, think of sex, get hard ons at night and will have good sex once all this is done. I know i will i just need a bit more patience to go through this
4th june
started regrowing body hair and my scalp is itchy. I also experience wet dreams and wake up with a hard on quite often, i have great energy.
Still my balls are sometimes hot and so is my dick and don’t feel perfect but i am not done with my treatment yet, and some time is definately needed after the treatment for the healthy tissues to build up.
6th June
oke up today with hard erection
Having wet dreams every night
Hair is itching me all day long and is greasy, (8 yrs ago this happened for last time) bliachs should i get back on finasteride like Hertoghe sais now that prostate is almost good??
Muscles are stronger and more rigid
Brain fog gone
Energy fantastic (despite being on Moxi,Sita and clindamycin and eating crap from mcDonalds)
I sleep wayyyyyyyy better and wake up feeling good
I smoke a pack a day and have no prostatic flare up or sides or nipple soreness or ball soreness
(Hair is still itching me as i write this down scratching it)
No estrogen related side effects any more, no itchy nipples no, lumbs in my chest are softer and smaller and i check them every day, and I AM NOT USING ANY ANTIESTROGEN (before i kept using aromasin,letro,arimidex and nipples still hurt they where actually more painfull than my prostate some times)
Sperm is clean white, not watery not yellow
and i am still not done with improvements, doc said in the following 2-3 months when tissue starts rebuilding properly and T gets converted to DhT better then we will see how good it goes or not and if there is ANY NEED to add up small doses of testosterone or anything else [/b]since the 8 yr inflammation BURNED 70% of my TESTICLES and offcourse HE IS NO GOD to revive them but he will TRY even that
I still have to scratch my head whilst writing this. My nipples are not hurting for more than 10 days now and i am not on anything. I feel so energetic, what the fuck i hope i can kill the remaining staph strains from my prostate and be freed of all this crap for good. From now on sex only with a condom or double to say
if you look at me now you will not recognize me
i don’t recognize me
8th june
Guys im definately better in all aspects
Today i woke up like usual feeling hyper perfect, all symptoms where gone
ll them symptoms are gone and my hair is still itchy, my epididimytis is gone, my muscles in the morning are very strong. I also jacked off last night and my orgasm was perfect. Couldn’t believe it. I still have some issues fantasizing, this is on and off, but i am still getting my prostate irritated every day by the doc, when i m off treatments and the tissue starts recovering we will see how i will be.
I am by far the woooooorrrrrssssstttttt case the doc has seen, (uh well if i don’t count a guy that came without testicles)
13th june
I recovered to 90-95% with his treatment (despite almost completely shrunk testicles) but my eagerness messed it up, i wanted to finish the treatments sooner than i shoud, so i added up a new antibiotic, it seems that this didn’t help so now i have to go back and finish the treatment with my older protocol.
When i was at 90% all my functions where restored. Energy, relaxation, morning erections, pains all over where gone, musculature recovered, hair loss and itchy scalp came back with a vengeance etc etc. I was a different man for sure. I didn’t even think about going back to hormones and i repeat i have 1/4th of testicles left.
30th June
I reached 95% three weeks ago but set back up a bit towards the end, because i was eager to finish my treatments and feel free at last from this shit, so we stacked in 4 antibiotics per day which caused me a bit of immune problems in the end and i had a mild reswelling of the prostate.
Now i am getting better but we are very careful and following the treatment protocol depending on the fluid production closely and slowly
I have erections every day, my androgenicity is good, hair is itchy, its just my balls that i am concerned about and the epidydimitis which is the harder part and whether i manage to hold my balls in a proper state, because my condition was veeeerrryyyyy bad before i came here.
blase
I wrote to Georgiadis, who told it was likely to be prostatitis.
Blase
Today i manage to have a young french urologist make me the TRUS. (the third i have seen since all this began) (He knows that prostatitis is a serious condition)
I didn’t talk about propecia at the beginning, I just emphasised the typical symptoms of prostatitis (pains in the pelvis and between the legs,slight burning when i pee: which is not totally true: I don’t really hurt me though I can feel something is wrong)
The TRUS revealed an inflammed prostate! (the normal UltraSound also: but the inflammation is less visible)
So for me i am 100% sure the problem is just prostatitis. I hope to recover completely as I am just at the beginning of this infection.
I am going to see Georgiadis the 11th of July.
noiman
So far, after 10 therapies, I’ve noticed the following:
My balls are hanging much better.
I have A LOT more saliva in my mouth.
I have more flexibility in my right leg.
This may sound weird but for the last few years I have felt that my right leg has been ‘shorter’ than my left leg. This is now gone completely.
My eyesight and visual clarity has improved.
Just yesterday it felt like somebody flicked a switch and my eyes started working again. This is a symptom which i didn’t realise I had
Yesterday I ejaculated and it came out with a lot more force than it has than before therapy. Before therapy my ejaculate would travel maybe 6 inches at most (i.e. more of a dribble)
But yesterday, when I ejaculated my semen reached 50cm away !! I couldn’t believe it.
I am hoping tht i will continue to see improvements.
I have increased sensation in my genital region.
This is the most promising theory i’ve come across, seems quite logical.
Look i’ve been wondering for a while why i’ve never come across anyone who got pfs from taking finasteride (or similar) for prostate reasons only, as recommended by the doctor. I have to say logically, while people who take finasteride for hairloss are a relatively small group, prostate problems are a common phenomenon, particularly in older men. And, as i see it, if alot of men experienced pfs like symptoms from taking a 5AR inhibitor for the prostate it would get far more media attention because people would be going back to their doctors in their thousands demanding to know what had happened. So i’m curious, are any of you here because you took a 5AR inhibitor for prostate reasons not for hairloss? I have heard of men experiencing decreased libido due to taking proscar etc for their prostate, but never PFS. If i am right in thinking that PFS does not occur in patients taking a 5AR inhibitor solely for prostate problems; could anyone offer an explanation as to why?
Happened to make a thread about this recently, so please post away, could be relevant to this theory.
I don’t know what makes you think that but pfs happen to older people as well but doctors shut them up and blame their problems on their old age. Old people are not as active as young people are plus they have far more responsibilities. Another point they are not as computer savvy as young ones. Imagine how many doctors believe our pfs? If Mew had not setup this websites how we were going to know our problems are b/c of our 5 ARI use. It took many years to some fin / dut/ sp users to know the cause of their problems( after visiting this website). By The way almost any doctor I have met ( I have seen five doctors) does not believe any 5 ARI sides. They are so brain washed that one doctor virtually kicked me out. I tried to show him papers from this web site but he called people on this website as mentally sick and advised me to stay away from this website. I wrote health Canada about 5ARI sides and they denied me. Only Denmark’s health ministry helped me and acknowledged sides from Saw palmetto but they refused to share their studies with me. Danish food ministry have removed Saw palmetto from food supplements.
So if something is not visible does not mean it does not exist. I am pretty sure if there is a fair country wide survey in the news papers ( I tried Ottawa citizen and Ottawa Sun but again they dismissed any thing) or TV many thousands will show up with their stories.
Gonna post more about this little story later but in short, I had a TRUS done yesterday and the doc whom performed it (unfortunately not a uro but a radiologist) said everything looked normal, couldnt see anything alarming, no calcification, nothing. And wrote “weight of prostate is 13 grams” (while on the printed shots is shown “prostate 14.3ml”). BUT when I asked him “where do you think my pelvic pains come from then” he said that I can very well still have a prostatitis and that the fact everything looked normal with the ultrasound pretty much didnt mean anything as far as inflammation is concerned. He even said that ultrasounds are not very useful to reveal a lot of conditions.
So Im still going to see Dr G (will be in Kos july 12th) and I hope that his trained eye for prostatitis will see something that the radiologist couldnt detect.
Also I had blood drawn yesterday, my (understanding and collaborative) GP prescribed me serology to check for chlamydia antibodies, while my (borderline autistic) uro also prescribed urine analysis for chlamydia (which I think is dumb since I’ve read from scientific sources that it is well known that most of the time these infections wont even show in the urine after a while).
Hi everybody,
I have also booked a treatment with Dr Georgiadis in august. Since this thread is becoming heavier every day, I suggest to use that other one, for specific Q&A about how it is in Kos with that Dr., with no big theories discussions (for which I’m not entitled), just facts on how it is going there :
Maybe people will prefer to stay in this thread, this is just a proposal, we’ll see !
Hi guys
I have finished my treatment for the time being.
Results where good regarding the improvement of androgenicity muscle strength and drop of prostatic inflammation.
Nevertheless i didn’t manage to stop the progression of testicular atrophy to the extend i wanted so in lack of further funds and time i have decided to halt the treatment for the time being.
I have compiled a huge amount of knowledge and understanding of how finasteride affects us deeply in an endocrine and immunological patern. Lately i went again through the research papers that states how finasteride alters the production of proteins needed to sustain proper immunological surveilance in the areas it affects.
No matter what has happened to us or whether people manage to get better after consecutive treatment approaches, this thing has to be sorted out in courtrooms because otherwise we are not doing any good to us or the global community.
Reaching here is because of the massive endeavor put in by all members of this forum especially Mew and many others who has kept the forum alive and flourishing with incoming research and info.
There are tens of thousands of people affected and this drug becomes detrimental to peoples lives whether short term or long term, since we become predisposed to increasing cases of cancer without even knowing.
In lack of more funds my intend is to push pharm companies and doctors to change their understanding about finasteride side effect profile.
Testing before and during the use of this potent anti-androgen and immune regulator has to be done for all patients thinking of using this drug. Trus and hormonal testing is what i will be asking in court for anyone who is prescribed finasteride from here on.
I have reached to the end of my problems understanding, some things can be fixed some others can’t, at least for me, maybe i came in too late, maybe the damage imposted to my was of a greater extend. Noone knows, yet i cannot play the researcher part any more coz i don’t have any more resources left psychological or physical or even financial.
The mixture of androgen downregulation and genital inflammation is very intense and complicated and this drug has to be sorted out properly if not removed from the market till new research comes for its potential, if any at all use.
Believe it or not, a drug that causes prostatic and genital inflammation is much more critical to ones health than hypogonadism or total drop of hormonal status. It is speeding up malignancy potential in our bodies and destroying our stress and immune mechanisms
Solo - can you please specify the results obtained in regards to libido and erectile function? Thanks
Your efforts are much appreciated. After going through the treatment… Do you still maintain that Geogiadis/Prostatitis holds the answer for some of us?..particularly those who have not experimented with hormones?
Solonjk what exactly are your lasting improvements?
Improvements are in all fields apart from the testicular issue which is what mattered for me the most though 
I was very surprised to see how connected the prostate is to the rest of the HPA. Yet it seems that testicles are affected on their own, or the immune response there is too dampened to withhold the inflammation.
I have nothing else to do now, as i have reached the end of any possible treatment.
For most there will be a definate improvement in symptomatology, by treating this inflammation, since noone is affected that bad as me i think.
Yes dr. G is the best approach by far.
Yet he is no God for everyone. But for most he can become.
Nevertheless immunity is far too complicated to improve.
Antibiotics do their work but the long lasting lack of dht has changed a lot of things and if the inflammation has progressed all over the genital track things can become very hard.
I will be leaving the forum for some time and only correspond to pm’s so if anyone has any questions he may ask me in private.
solonjk, what told you Dr Georgiadis about the fact that the testicular atrophy is still present ?
Salon,
Do you consider your visit a success? Testicular size, in my personal opinion, is primarily a vanity issue - i would consider the libido, erectile ability, amount of semen etc to be more important overall.
Which is what drug exactly? Finasteride?
Where are the published papers documenting this to occur from Finasteride use? Otherwise what you state is simply opinion.
Well, since we have documented papers that hypogonadism/drop in hormonal status is exactly what occurs when you undergo androgen deprivation therapy, and we took an anti-androgen medication/underwent androgen deprivation, and have had consistent reports of men ending up with persistent hypogonadism upon stopping Fin – I’d say that’s a clear indication that such conditions are FAR more critical to one’s health, and the issues we are dealing with.
Loss of androgenic action/androgen deprivation is documented in published papers to cause loss of libido, genital atrophy, erectile dysfunction, cognitive decline, gynecomastia, muscle atrophy etc., as noted in the images here: propeciahelp.com/symptoms
I appreciate your efforts to try treatments etc, but thus far you’ve simply posted opinions (as above) not backed by research. If there is a paper showing Finasteride causes prostatitis or “genital inflammation”, PLEASE POST IT! 
I and others would certainly be interested to read it.
Otherwise for the most part, there is much selling to/appealing to people’s emotions and desire for answers, which in this case involves paying money to see a Dr. in Greece who does not even believe our issues are due to Finasteride use etc, as outlined below.
You are leaving the forum after starting this monster thread (EDIT: and have since DELETED YOUR POSTS WITHIN IT TO REMOVE EVIDENCE OF WHAT YOU WROTE) and encouraging men to emotionally invest, spend their hard-earned time and money flying halfway around the world, to see a doctor who:
does NOT believe our problems are due to Finasteride use
claims he is the ONLY person on the planet who knows how to successfully diagnose/treat prostatitis (ludicrous claim, there MANY competent, fully qualified urologists at top medical centers who can, and have, done such investigations on a worldwide basis – and who do not give a “probable” diagnosis by email of “prostatitis” before even seeing the patient)
claims the antibiotic treatments used are “harmless” (couldn’t be further from the truth, black box warnings are in effect for these classes of antibiotics)
has told every person who has inquired thus far by email that they “likely” have prostatitis (ie, a standard response irrespective of patient’s symptoms, but that they must fly to see and PAY him to be sure)
requires you to spend at minimum 500EUR for initial consult, then likely 30 days of forceful/painful prostate massages at 80EUR per session (2400EUR), plus pay for potentially dangerous antibiotic treatment (hundreds of EUR), plus hotel + airfare (thousands of EUR)
a doctor who you admit was not able to cure the problem 100%
the fact that prostatitis does not even correlate with the many symptoms of this syndrome such as neurological/physical (ie depression, anxiety, memory impairment, cognitive issues, gynecomastia, muscle atrophy), as has been documented to occur via Finasteride’s 5AR inhibition, shifting of androgen/estrogen ratio, and androgen deprivation mechanisms
the fact that Dr. Irwig, Traish and Jacobs (medical professionals who actually BELIEVE in what has happened to us, and can offer insight into how, and have actually PUBLISHED papers or articles on the problem) have already proposed areas of investigation (disrupted hormonal pathways, “biologically something gets shut off”, nerve degradation, androgen receptors, hypothalamus/pituitary) which people seem to conveniently ignore when they see fit, or because they don’t want to accept it.
All of this together simply does not add up. I’m not trying to discourage participation or pursuing of new avenues as it’s people’s lives, health and money at risk and so they can do whatever they wish (and its their choice to believe whatever they want), but thus far where is the logic and rational/critical thinking behind all of this?
You have been selling this doctor and his treatments as if he were the answer to everything, and now at the end admit this is not the case (EDIT: and have now stated you are “leaving the forum” and have deleted your post history throughout this thread-- highly suspect)
Solonjk, I wish I didn’t have this impression but your recent statements and choosing to “leave” NOW brings up more questions than answers. You admit this investigation hasn’t been the panacea you thought it would be, and are now “leaving the forum”/only available by private message so nobody can better understand your thoughts (EDIT: and removing evidence by deleting your posts) so you don’t have to discuss it anymore in public… why is that? Do you fear a public backlash?
Just curious.
[b]EDIT: I noticed you have deleted almost every one of YOUR posts in this thread and beyond:
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WTF is going on???Why are you deleting your post history on this site all of a sudden??[/b]