Prostatitis treatment as a novel insight into Finasteride related problems

Solon, is prostate fluid “milking” a final phase of treatment? Where you examine or culture the end product? What is the doctor looking for at this point? I ask, because the others don’t seem to mention anything about fluid.

This is awesome news, except for the epididymitis. What symptoms do you still have from the epididymitis? How is the doctor measuring/observing your issues in this area–with ultrasound? And is there any particular method to focus on this area?

Thanks for the update, I hope you beat this last remaining %, I know you’ve been through hell for years.

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In that case why not just make an appointment with Dr. G and fly to Greece?

For those who want to go later in the year…

[i]During winter, I am usually working on Kos island for about 20 days every month and I move the rest of the time in Athens.
In other words, you should expect to have to stay on Kos island for 2-3 weeks and then follow me in Athens (and maybe
back to Kos if you need a lot of therapies, but that is unlikely).

Send me an e-mail at the end of August or the first days of September so that I can give you more accurate dates.[/i]

Solon don’t loose your heart. you have done a nice job. You did not sit idle did your best, maybe one day you will find exactly what is going wrong with us.
I appreciate all the guys who are putting their effort and money to find the cure.

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“For the past few years I’ve been
having weaker erections than I used to. I can get an erection
by masturbating, but it subsides within a few seconds if I stop
stimulating myself. And it is not a full erection. My penis
rises to about straight out (instead of pointing upward). It
doesn’t seem like it gets fully engorged like it used to.
Another thing I’ve noticed is that I almost never wake up in
the morning with an erection anymore, and the few times that I do it
is also weak.”

This is EXACTLY what mine does… how convenient…

PATRONISING!

For those being treated by Dr G - do any of you have brain fog or bad fatigue and if so is the treatment helping?

Same here. Problems started with a lack of morning erections: I literally would sleep with a woman at night, and wake up and not be able to get a morning quickie in. Things then got worse and unpredictable, less hardness, more hand stimulation (me or the girl) to jumpstart things. Then came the “early middle period” of my PFS/E.D. during which my penis would work during the few months I was dating this particular girl. But it pointed straight out exactly like this guy describes! It would rise slower than normal, and it would not angle up like normal. It worked, but it was head-scratching–I just didn’t have as much freedom to explore different positions, for fear of going soft. I was also only good for one round, after which I was just happy that I was able to get it up at least once. Exhaustion also set in–I couldn’t hang anymore, I couldn’t stay out with this girl and friends. I’d always ask her “You feel like just heading back home?” This was very unlike me. As time went on, a couple more years of this downward spiral, my condition worsened and worsened, fluctuating up and down (being able to get it up 40% curved downwards sometimes) until I would reach complete failure unless dosed on Cialis.

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[Size=4]Chronic Prostatitis[/size]
Chronic prostatitis now has a new definition. Thanks to the persistence of scientists dedicated to urological research, [Size=4]this extremely common condition of adult men is now being increasingly recognized as nearly always bacterial in origin–even if bacteria can not be grown in culture.[/size]

The former diagnosis of chronic, non-bacterial prostatitis–the “dumping ground” for thousands of frustrated patients, has been greatly over-used in the past. This reflects primarily only our inability to demonstrate the causative bacteria, not their absence.

[Size=4]Most people with chronic prostatitis will respond to the proper use of antibiotics combined with diligent prostatic massage.[/size] But what about those who have no symptoms referable to the prostate gland but are still harboring infection?

Recent published results of prostate tissue examinations from routine autopsies reveal a sobering 75-80% incidence of chronic infection. Most of these men, dying from the usual triad of heart disease, cancer or stroke, had no symptoms referable to the prostate gland. One can infer from this largely irrefutable data that asymptomatic chronic prostatitis is not only frequent in our society, but rampant!

[Size=4]Again and again the Gardnerella vaginalis organisms keep appearing in bacteriologic analyses of prostatic secretions from chronic cases[/size][Size=4]naturally not as the only causative organism, but a very common one[/size]. This ubiquitous organism, so common in vaginitis patients, also appears to be a major player in chronic prostatitis. One can now say that Gardnerella–the scourge of the fastidious woman–may well also be a key player in PSA elevations.

[Size=4]Gardnerella Vaginitis[/size]
Vaginitis associated with Gardnerella organisms is one of the most common conditions seen by primary care physicians. Nearly 50 percent of women presenting with typical vaginitis symptoms will be diagnosed with a Gardnerella infection. This infection was formerly known as Hemophillus vaginitis, and more recently as non-specific vaginitis.

Its prevalence is vastly under-reported because of the reality that many women carrying this organism will have only minimal symptoms–or no symptoms at all. Most of these women are greatly surprised when informed that routine microscopic examination of their vaginal secretions has revealed "abnormal vaginal flora."

Some will be in their doctor’s office for evaluation of a mildly atypical Pap smear and will be quite relieved to learn that the presence of a subtle infection with Gardnerella may be the culprit. Others will complain only of abundant vaginal mucus for months and, in some cases, even years may have passed during which time such a discharge is accepted as normal.

Other women, during their yearly checkup, will complain only of a disagreeable fishy odor after intercourse. And many “carriers” of Gardnerella organisms will have no complaints at all. Usually the question of sexual transmission will come up early in the office discussion, especially when considering the advisability of treating sexual partners.

Frequently, the office atmosphere can become quite emotionally charged when a patient will almost immediately blame their partner. The fact of the matter however, is that although Gardnerella vaginitis is most definitely a sexually transmitted disease, Gardnerella organisms can frequently be found in many women–and even young girls having no prior sexual contact.

Thus Gardnerella seems to be a two-faced Janus–capable of both innocence and harm. Wearing its candid, innocent face, Gardnerella can exist in many females as part of their normal vaginal flora. Wearing its worldlier, sultry face, it is both acquired and transmitted by sexual contact.

Complicating the mystery of this Janus organism is its ability to change its face occasionally from innocent to harmful, through the recruitment of anaerobes–other members of the vaginal flora. Activated Gardnerella then emerge to lead their oxygen fearing “hit squads” in a combined attack on the vaginal mucosa creating irritation, inflammation and discharge.

The diagnosis of this common condition is especially easy if the patient mentions a fishy or ammonia-like smell immediately after intercourse. In cases of Gardnerella infection, ammonia is released by the alkaline nature of semen–a purely chemical reaction.

This is the basis of the well known “sniff test,” wherein a drop of potassium hydroxide is added to a drop of vaginal secretion on a slide and held to the nose. The other test is the microscopic examination of the vaginal smear. The “clue” cells: Shed vaginal epithelial cells, studded with Gardnerella organisms, are very characteristic. So to is the abundance of other frequently associated bacteria having pleomorphic coccobacillary shapes.

[Size=4]Spread of Gardnerella to sexual partners seems almost inevitable, if sexual contact occurs during the acute phase of infection. [/size]This simple fact prompts most physicians to treat both patients and their partners simultaneously, although some physicians will withhold treatment of the partners if the patient is only mildly symptomatic, or of carrier status–insisting first on a therapeutic trial of treatment just for the patient.

[Size=4]The end result of all this is the likely exposure of the male urogenital tract to Gardnerella organisms many times in his life; some based on rampant sexuality and others to simple chance. You might call it the “roll of the dice.” [/size]When considering these facts, the commonality of this organism in chronic prostatitis should come as no surprise.

Duane Graveline MD MPH
Former USAF Flight Surgeon
Former NASA Astronaut
Retired Family Doctor

Full Article: spacedoc.com/prostatitis.html

Dr. Graveline is the author of several books on Statin medications and their side effects.

Trying to find some kind of common ground between us? Perhaps we all do have some sort of infection within us prior, though it would be very minor…I know I’ve complained of UTI’s way before ever taking fin… Nothing major but they typically lasted for a few hours…

Yes, pre-existing bacteria may indeed be minor. I’m simply making the point that the current, prevalent medical community explanation for chronic prostatis (that it’s abacterial) may be WRONG. This article discusses ONE bacterial possibility, and we know that there are a multitude of bacteria out there. I think the question of what happens when you lower DHT or otherwise affect prostate tissue, inflammation, bacteria, etc. via administration of finasteride or a 5AR inhibitor is an interesting one and relevant one. It’s not one that researchers currently examining PFS seem to care to consider.

Amen. This thread is the Truth. Solonjk is our prophet. And good ol’ chubby Pavlos is our God.
OK, I’m just joking and I dont mean to offend the religious ones in here, but seriously, I bet 500$ to anybody that in less than 3 months even mew and spstriken will have to accept it. I feel kind of privileged to witness such a mini-revolution in the making. And proud to be one of the pionneers (among PFS sufferers from this website) getting treated by Dr G. I just dont see anything anymore than can contradict the validity of the prostatitis theory for pretty much anyone here. For me Its now just a matter of precisely proving how taking finasteride, then stopping it, triggers the chronic prostatitis to really settle in. Then we will have to find a way to convince Dr G to do everything thats possible to ensure that his method can be practiced successfully by other urologists (robotic arm? he can’t stay the only one), and lobby really hard so that it becomes the recognized, standard treatment worldwide for people suffering from chronic prostatitis (fin-induced or not). Once we have Merk judged for their crimes, this website will most probably become a platform to spread awareness about chronic prostatitis (it doesnt have to be prostate pains), how to get it diagnosed and then properly treated.
Ok, im posting this while a little drunk and I really hope that I wont have to eat crow when Im back from Greece…

you guys are not understanding my point. I am not denying prostatitis being present in PFS.It is present for sure. We all have bactaria in our body , prostate area is one which is rich in bacteria. 5 AR just make our tissues / immune system weaker and we picked up infection easily. Many are suffering internal injuries after the use of 5 AR inhibitors use. Kemangd got hernia, some got torn ligaments. I never had paper cut in my life (maybe because of thicker skin before SP use) but now I get it easily. A lot of us are having ulcers, (I have got ulcer, Kemangd got the same thing) some are having loose teeth etc etc.
Sorry men I disagree on prostatis.
Only biopsy can tell us some thing concrete.

I just got a reply from Dr Georgiadis and it seems to be the standard reply others are getting:
that I have the classic symptoms of chronic prostatitis, that 9/10 urologists don’t do scan properly and that I should visit him in Greece - seing as I have different symptoms should I be right in being a little suspicious?

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What are your symptoms?

Drinking is permitted while on the medication???