Prostatitis treatment as a novel insight into Finasteride related problems

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#61

Gents,

This is silly. Let’s return to the main focus of this thread – prostatitis and infections thereof.

I have Candida; it has been confirmed – the end. I’m treating it, and I’m feeling better – the end. It continues to lower every month upon rechecking the levels, which in turn I improve more and more every month – the end.

Do you have it? I don’t care if you do or don’t. Maybe that’s something you can investigate.
Did finasteride cause it? – I don’t care if it did, or didn’t. Maybe that’s something you can investigate.

I can tell you that I have made significant progress since treating the infection – the end.

Can Candida influence hormones? Some say yes, some say no - thyroid-info.com/articles/candidayeast.htm

There is tons on information out there. Yes, there is also phony marketing, but being on this board with this disease has trained us well, if anything, in overlooking phony marketing.

I have worked with leading docs, who now agree upon the dark field microscopy that Candida is a huge issue in my case. As one nationally recognized doc who is held in high esteem on this board said, “Well, the microscope doesn’t lie. You have an extreme yeast issue.”

#62

Can’t believe how dismissive Mew and even Awor are about this whole thing.

Guys stop being so desperate to perfect a theory at the expense of overlooking things are working for people.

I’m actively trying to get a dark field microscopy blood test done myself. I’ve did a LOT of research on it and i believe its something many of us should look it. It can mess up the endoctrine system.

Let’s be honest. Noone knows WTF is going on. I’ve read all sorts of crazy theories. The “leaky gut” theory isn’t that far left field, really.

Who knows what might transpire in the next 10 years. We could find out that 5ARII inhibitors are strongly linked with some sort of special prostatitus/candida.

The fact that “curing” these conditions is helping people is good enough for me.

Here’s a good website about how to do ao full “detox” by the way…

mesupport.co.uk/index.php?page=candida-m-e

#63

I wasn’t being dismissive, I even said that I can understand why antibiotics can work and believe that people have benefited from them. I just said that I don’t believe that our problems have anything to do with an infection and proposed an alternative explanation for antibiotic effects. But at the end of the day, if everyone can get better on antibiotics, who cares what the underlying theory is? Then we can close down this forum an all happily go home :laughing:

#64

Guys I’m not going to argue back and forth on this but suffice to say, I actually did have a trans-rectal ultrasound about 2 years ago and it turned up NOTHING aside from a shrunken prostate (ie, Finasteride did it’s job). I’ll look through the CD they gave me and see if I can post the photos and comments. I have also had urine samples for prostatits that came back completely clean.

For me, the problem is not bacterial or prostatitis. Both tests confirmed this. For solonjk, he has stated many times in the past across various threads, that he has used heavy doses of Quinone-based antibiotics and has suffered side effects as a result of their use. Perhaps this played into his condition.

As previously mentioned, I have already made my points regarding “candida” here viewtopic.php?p=36438#p36438 and that it logically does not make any sense regarding symptoms of this syndrome, which is first and foremost one of androgen deprivation and altered hormonal ratios. I have spoken to PFS docs about the problem, some have read this thread and do not agree that a bacterial infection is a cause. Dr. Jacobs himself blogged about the problem of persistent hypogonadism as possibly being at the androgen receptor level. Traish and Irwig have postulated the problem may involve receptors, nerves, enzymes or pathways involving DHT and neurosteroids as being a major part of the problem.

Anyway, people are free to believe and try what they want, but there is a reason why some people view this website as a place for hypochondriacs and quackery nonsense (note: I’m not suggesting the original poster is as such, I’m simply relaying how this site can be perceived by those not involved in it day-to-day).

If such professional medical opinions by those who are interested in/published about the problem (ie, Dr. Irwig, Traish, Jacobs) are not of interest to you and you’d rather believe in “candida”, “leaky gut”, “toxins” and “parasites” as the source of your issues, well, there’s not much else to be said other than to try and keep such discussions out of the public eye, especially considering the increasing medical and media awareness this site is getting on a daily basis.

I do wish everyone well who gets treated for their issues regardless.

#65

Solonjk, or anyone who knows, are these valid diagnostic tools for prostatitis? Is the cytosccopy comparable to the trans rectal ultrasound? I’m booked with one office that lists the following techniques, still looking around. Thanks.

urine culture, including triple-void urine specimen collection (Also called three-glass urine collection method.) - often used in collaboration with the prostate stripping procedure, the three-glass urine collection method involves collecting and evaluating the prostatic fluid and urine for the presence of white blood cells and bacteria.

digital rectal examination (DRE) - a procedure in which the physician inserts a gloved finger into the rectum to examine the rectum and the prostate gland for signs of cancer.

semen culture

prostate stripping (Also called massaging.) - a procedure in which prostate fluid is collected for examination. This procedure is usually performed during a digital rectal examination (DRE) and involves the physician “stripping” the prostate gland to drain fluid into the urethra. This fluid is then examined under a microscope to detect the presence of inflammation and/or infection.

cystoscopy (Also called cystourethroscopy.) - an examination in which a scope, a flexible tube and viewing device, is inserted through the urethra to examine the bladder and urinary tract for structural abnormalities or obstructions, such as tumors or stones.

#66

If you care to research candida or speak to prostatitus sufferers, you’d see that many of the symptoms aren’t that far away.

You have (well had anyway) a low WBC count like me. This can potentially imply infection. You should have tested for candida a long time ago.

We also know that none of these docs, sadly, have gotten close to root causes. As far as i know, these guys also don’t specialise on this other stuff so maybe they aren’t qualified to comment? Dr Crisler for instance admitted on his own forum just yesterday that he “needs to learn more about prostatitus”…

Mew, your opinion is massively skewed. I wish you could see this.

Yourself and Awor, are huge advocates of AR, yet this is an unprecedented condition. I.E. Partial, developed, AR. Not one person has even been diagnosed with this.

Yet we have guys actively improving on anti-candida diets and others who have been said to improve via this prostatitus guy.

Ihatepropecia for instance has been having his blood reassessed every month and the improvemments in symptoms are congruent with progress in his blood detoxification.

So frankly, I think t’s a little rich implying that it’s these discussions that should be done behind closed doors.

Why don’t you try do what i’m doing? Try and get a dark field microscopy live blood test? It’s funny how 3 or 4 members who have bothered to do it have tested positive. The trend could be more prominent than low 3-adiol-G for all we know.

Ultimately, I don’t think we are in a position to start being dismissive about things that are clearly helping some sufferers.

#67

So it sounds to me like the pair of you have been conned into believing you have a candida infection by the same naturopath then. What is the name of this ‘doctor’?

#68

I agree with Martinm earlier in the thread. Doing things to help yourself beat what ever disease you have (candida, prostatitis, etc.) will make you feel better regardless. However, this syndrome we have was not caused by prostatitis, candida etc. What ever caused this syndrome caused immediate, severe side effects. Within 2-4 weeks of stopping the drug I had every side effect on the chart, a bent penis, shunken testicles, prostate blew up, lost 10 lbs of muscle. I’m sorry, my dad has had prostatitis for years. He doesn’t have anything in the same hemisphere as what I have. Do I think those who have developed prostatitis or candida have a bigger challenge in recovering post fin? Yes. But thats it. Treating those issues is leading to your overall health and probably putting you where you may be in terms of a natural recovery but thats it. I will actually explore the prostatitis angle with my urologist as I definitely have issues down there. However, I don’t believe that this a ‘cure’.

There is a reason that a nuclear bomb went off in my body and its not candida.

#69

I would never had beleived that post fin issues could be linked to Candida, but I’m starting to find that “theory” could possibly make some sense in my case :

I already wrote about my extremely active, often unprotected sex life prior to fin, and recurrent fungal balanitis even since childhood. My father which is a doctor also used to put me on antiobi+prednisone at the slightest infection (didnt want to waste his time trying to diagnoze me), without probiotics after that, which I now read can cause candida overgrowth. But ive always had very good health besides that, prior to fin.

Since fin, like many here, my immune system have clearly been weakened, Im getting colds etc all the time… I currently live with my 67 yi mom and my 96yo grandma (unemplyed thanks to a PFS related depressive bout) and I get infections while they dont catch anything (and Im not depressed anymore).
I got an acute pneumopathy once last year that sent me to the ER. They first thought about a liver problem because my liver enzymes were very elevated… turned out to be a pneumopathy (that only childs should get), they gave me IV antibiotics and I got better. Dont remember about the PFS symptoms evolution after that unfortunately… I do remember that I felt weak and depressed for some time after though… Which could be a “die off” symptom?
About the liver thing I thought that maybe it was because of my high protein diet and the fact that I work out a lot (transaminases will be elevated after a weightlifting workout). I also had high liver enzymes 3 years ago (also post fin) when I got blood tests after experiencing very intense (non muscular) bouts of pain in my lower back combined with extreme lethargy (now Im thinking about my adrenals). Now I read that candida can release toxins that could also cause this… And the candida gurus also like to link candida to adrenal fatigue…
But more importantly, I am now reading that some pneumopathies can be caused by candida!!
And I digged this old thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1556

So Im soon going to do a detox protocol based on threelac, NOW candida clear, maybe some nystatin and fluconazole, and I will report back to you. I understand the doubts about candida (a lot of websites seem to push that everyone is affected and need their treatment, and the list of symptoms is so long that anybody can find his in there)

#70

for those of you contemplating the whole prostatitis/infection/candida angle…do you have a hemorrhoid(s)?

#71

The name of the doctor is Dr. K. Anne Didacon. Get it?!

#72

:unamused:

Suppose the improvements of ihatepropecia are all part of the scam too.

This guy went from impotent to doing it 3 times in one day. I’ll gladly be a part of this scam.

No, but i did have a penile rash just last week which I believe was fungal/yeast based.

#73

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#74

I look forward to see what results come of this. I am not convinced but if it works for more people then maybe then I’ll pay closer attention to it.

#75

I dont have hemroids but there has been blood in my stool for a months, but over the past couple weeks its been fine…

#76

Possibly you contracted something during these activities. Did you ever get tested?

This has NOTHING to do with Finasteride.

Just because you read something doesn’t mean you have it. And if you did, this would be before any Finasteride use.

Quacks like to link it to everything so they can sell you products and snake oil cures for something you probably do not even have.

quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html
quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/fad.html

Sure, according to its promoters, it causes everything under the sun.

Precisely. That should tell you something and raise red flags about this condition, especially in the context of trying to connect it to Finasteride use.

#77

That’s all pretty powerful advice imo. Thanks.

#78

That can indicate a host of things, including hemorrhoids. The bleeding only happens if I have bouts of diarrhea (like when I did the 10 day antibiotic cleanse) and irritate the area through chronic wiping.

I was diagnosed with it a long while back. I never used the applicator/medicine 'cause I wasn’t too fond of sticking things up the arse.

#79

Mew, our bodies are all one piece working together.

The significance of this cannot be downplayed. Liver, adrenals, thyroid, prostrate, gut, brain…everything.

Under stress the body sacracifies functions. I’m sure this is why sexual function goes quicker in some people than in others hence the myriad of experiences.

Androgen deprevation doesn’t explain how some guys had 50% penile size reduction overnight for instance. Central nervous system issues, more like. If you die right now your penis will retract just the same almost instantly apparently.

I think we need to remain open minded.

#80

I think we really need to get back on the subject at hand, and that is the prostate. Honestly, if that doctor has cured all those pfs guys then this can not go ignored… However, I need to hear it from him through phone or email before I can really believe it. Therefore, I am going to get in contact with him, but I can not argue with this being an ideal treatment… It kind of makes sense after all because, what does fin directly affect? THE PROSTATE!! I know it seems to be an easy fix and all but it has baring. I’ve been putting off going to a uro for sometime now, but I know that I have an infection, IE: yellow-semen (which I first noticed I had when I started taking the drug!), also when i orgasm it feels like I have to pee, and I’ve had an increasing occurrence of UTI feelings lately. They are becoming more and more frequent.

I mean, the side effects that solon listed, are not prostate related… not directly anyways… Yet, that doc that cured them of this through treating an infection, that NONE of them even knew existed… That to me sounds like absolute bullshit or he really is on to something. Either way, I’m going to get to the bottom of it by contacting him…

On a more random note, does anyone know how to call people on Skype in other countries? This is the only way I can call him I would guess.