Im currently trying to find “cheap” accomodation for a month in kos starting july 7th, and its a PITA as it is an EXTREMELY touristic place and its gonna be VERY HIGH season.
All the PFS people going to be there, we should join forces.
Pension Alexis is full (used to be the budget recommendation from lonely planet and others)
Bristol appartments are full
Cheapest i found is an “appartment” in Santa Marina Appartments (3beds, bathroom, kitchen, tv , yada yada) in the city of kos close to the city center (and close to Pavlos office) and near the beaches too (hey) for 3 ppl for 2006euros (for 30days) (which =22 euros per person per night) through booking.com
But there are only 2 of us so far that i know of, looking for an accomodation.
Anybody would like to share with us? gefinauser, poga, others???
There is only 1 appartment like this left today (on booking.com).
Or maybe there are other cheaper options, maybe solonjk could help???
This is a little off subject, but not really given the recent discussion of out-of-the-box / cutting edge / pioneering diagnostics and treatments vs. accepted medical treatment norms. This is why I detest the FDA, “conventional medicine”, big pharma, the food pyramid, and all the jackasses involved:
Don’t know if Dr. Georgiadis’ treatment is our cure, or my cure. Too early to ascertain. But compare how the regular medical establishment treated the doctor featured in this above documentary to how dismissive your urologist or doctor might be to the idea that you have CP.*
[Size=4]*(with the exception of Dr. Crisler who publicly posted and announced on the superhumanradio internet radio show that he’s open to the possibility).[/size]
The translation is tedious, choppy and obviously far from perfectly accurate…but I’m just about convinced, as I’m sitting here writhing in pain/discomfort down there and having clocked in at least 6 trips to the bathroom up to this moment, that nothing else I’ve read regarding my symptoms, a potential diagnostic method, explanation of origin, and treatment correlate as logically as what this doctor has said.
I don’t have the ability or luxury to jump on a trip right now, but for anyone else contemplating a visit there, August is a bit more realistic for me. If you’re in the early thinking about it/planning/scheduling stage, keep in touch and let me know.
Once again im forced to ask you what the hell are you talking about. Almost everyone on this forum myself included has complained of either or all of, testicle, head, shaft, groin, prostate pain. You seem to just write things to suit yourself (current theory). And wow oscar thinks its a nervous system problem whop dee doo.
If you guys mean in your legs, below your knees, then I know what you mean. Despite being fit, athletically active, etc., I feel my knees giving in sometimes as I’m getting out of a chair, and a lack of strength in the shins, or shooting pains in my shins. It’s a fleeting, random sensation, not always present. I thought that thigh pain was part of the prostatitis symptom list, though. Perhaps it’s similar, I don’t know. I haven’t analyzed or thought about this sensation enough (or remotely connected it to anything than perhaps wear and tear from participating in sports), perhaps it’s the whole leg that’s affected.
Hmmm…I’ve had some recurring ankle and foot injuries and soreness from basketball. I just chalk it off to the sport and wear and tear and age. The only thing I can think of is a nerve/circulatory degradation / radiating shooting pains. Might be a stretch, or perhaps there is a general association of trunk weakness with prostatitis. Again, don’t know. I’ve generally focused on my sexual function / energy / memory / genital condition with PFS, never blamed or associated other things with the condition at large, but within the context of prostatitis, who knows?
Also, i’m NOT going to write daily journals you goofs! I need to observe this calmly and in time to see if this is working or not, i don’t like the idea of updating this all the time (UPDATE1: JUST HAD A HARDON!!! UPDATE2: NEVERMIND IT WAS MY WALLET LOL).
But i’ll ask him questions in time alright. Personal disclaimer: some of the things are mayne not clear for me (non-native english, understanding medical terms and trying to follow etc etc) and i’ll mention it when it is. I might have forgot some answers too but i try my best recalling them. I try my best not to remember things falsely.
To answer prostrate size questions: for people as young as me (21), the volume of prostrate is 14 grams/cm and… i can’t really answer the question about say 30 years old normal prostrates as his answer was kinda unclear about that. He did say that he gets patients with normal and small prostrate sizes too all the time! Prostatis can be present with those sizes too, even as severe inflammation - especially on smaller prostrate sizes (to answer one of you guys questions), the patient’s problem is usually prostrate’s fibromyalgia that permits the prostatis enter into adenosis (sp?), meaning that the prostrate can’t enlarge despite the infection. These patients usually have worse problems such with urinating.
So it means that the volume of prostrate is not that important than the symptons. About 40-45% of his patients come for sexual dysfunction problems and about 40-45% come for severe infertility reasons. A lot of his patients didn’t even knew that they had prostatis as no doctors really don’t anything about it. You can throw normal sizes out of window. Due to this, over the globe especially in America, doctors and professors alike get confused as they get these mysterious patients and then comes the internet forums for all kinds of strange conditions while the real culprit could be something like untreated chronic prostatis. (I didn’t get a sense of smugness about this and i understood his point. If this heals me or helps me then i’ll know if there’s a seed of truth in this. And tbh there’s STILL not enough labratory or whatever examinations of eg. finasteride people). Prostatis is ALWAYS chronic, it just gets worse in time or with catalysators.
He really hasn’t had old patients who had PFS and who took finasteride for overgrowth of prostrate - ofc that might be him and his selection of patients… but he comments that if such old man would had chronic prostatis, it would be likely that the finasteride would have acted as an catalysator for him too. Otherwise if this is really so harmful as it is, the discontinuing of the drug would have returned everybody back as only symtons any old man or otherwise gets is just slightly lowered libido and that’s it. You all know that laboratory can prove this thought or not so let’s not get strangled on that one.
For some people, spicy food or alcohol was the catalysator, for some it was sweets (i think? i think he said this)… for some people it was something else like finasteride.
These were uh all the questions i could ask for today? There was several patients after me so i need to ask some of the questions in time.
That’s really friggin cheap for high season and in city centre. Look, if you get something as far as away from Hotel Leonidas, it’s not a long walk! I do it every day from Leonidas. There’ll propably be a lot of us in the city by July.
I send couple of pm’s and see if anyone else is interested to be in that 3-room apartment. Apartment might really be the most sensible option but that means several people in one room. Yikes, looks like there’s lot of interest in finding cheap hotels now!
This is correct. I have had shooting dull knify pains in my testicles and in penis up to this day. I have read several people saying this. I think i’ve seen you saying this somewhere Oscar but i don’t think there’s any merit in it.
Also my shins/lower legs/long bones and joints had hurt but i fixed with adding magnesium citrate to my zinc picolite, ergo basically ZMA. I recall Georgiadis asking whether i had pains in upper legs but i’m pretty sure that it doesn’t matter as much as we are all with a pretty messed up hormones and potentially bad bone upkeep. I’m pretty sure Blunted said that he had wear/damage in his ankles for no reason and i wouldn’t be suprised if some bones in me are damaged as well.
ChrisC, you really need to ask him about this from himself. Send him a message, i think it’s pavlos dot geo at gmail dot com. I don’t know the specifics for your case plus he doesn’t bite. He usually responds within couple of days.
Solonjk and gefinuser thanks for posting here. Whats the situation now solonjk, you took a break from treatment? When and for how long will you resume?
Gefinuser, what are the 4 antibiotics that you are taking? So you had no bacterial culture done? Is this a standard 4 antibiotics that the doctor uses for everyone?
I’ve read many times that for culturing bacteria from prostate you should be off antibiotics at least for 2 weeks, because prostate and urine will contain the antibiotic and the result might be a false negative. This doctor thinks differently?
Gee I wish someone would give us a straight answer on what a normal prostate size actually is…lol
So far we’ve got anything from microscopic to 30cc/cm/mL… who knows.
If there’s one question I’d like someone to find out, it’s what is a normal sized prostate via TRS for a 30 year old man. If I could find that out, I would sleep much better. Mine is 19cc via TRS.
Did you say you just got a hard on??!!?? J/k. On behalf of all the goofs here, thank you for the answers. I get that you don’t want to obsess over every sign or lack of sign of improvement, so just update on that subject when you feel like it. But any information you learn about prostatitis, or your account of the treatment (ex: “it gets less painful after a week”) are much appreciated. But don’t forget to snorkel and stuff, lol.
Don’t worry about it, nobody is remotely judging you for this.
This is fascinating, as I have a small prostate and urination issues.
None of this surprises me. Even in their examination of this matter, of “PFS”, how many docs perform comprehensive physical examination of a male’s anatomy with sophisticated testing? Quite often, they may look at your balls briefly, or not, and testosterone or hormones are dispensed. Despite having had fairly sophisticated testing performed (DICC, ultrasound, sensory perception testing w/ cold & heat), there was no mention of prostatitis in that clinic, no DRE. So there never has been one truly exhaustive, complete visit to a uro / endo that I can document. Similarly, what good will research efforts be if you don’t line up a bunch of PFSers and study them inside out. If you INSIST that the problem is hormonal, then your gonna issue tests to explore that area and as Solon mentions, you really are not gonna get a lot of useful data. The issue has been raised that it seems suspect that a prostatitis doc always diagnoses prostatitis–but isn’t an endocrinologist researcher guilty of bias if he focuses only on T and DHT and doesn’t study the anatomy of the subjects?
As I expressed earlier in the thread, I’ve wondered too why there isn’t a bigger stink raised by guys taking 5mg doses. One recent doctor I went to said that his older patients loved finasteride at first, it treated their BPH, but then they typically discontinued it after a year due to lowered libido/side effects, but they didn’t have prolonged side effects.
Who here didn’t eat spicy food, drink or take finasteride? lol
