"prostate symptoms" are really pelvic floor/perinium?

[Chi]

@moonman1

Acetylcholine is known to have some implications on the sympathetic system (excitatory). But it also can have some implications on the
parasympathetic system (inhibitory). Under normal conditions it is mainly parasympathetic, but considering so many systems in our body are just out of whack, its hard to say what it leans towards with us. I have used Choline and ALCAR supplements together, which the ALCAR will lend its acetyl group to the choline, so in theory AC should be more available. I can say that it helped more than hindered, but it was not nearly enough of a change to where I would “recommend” it.

I literally just exploded. Brain couldn’t handle it

I think this forum needs an Acronym dictionary these days, I might have a hope of understanding some of this.

[bryce54]

@moonman1

@bryce54

Interesting. I actually made a post in the GHB thread about how the GABA could possibly be relaxing the muscles in the pelvic floor region bringing relief for people.

I thought acetylcholine was the neurotransmitter responsible for adrenaline (also sweat)? Okay, so I see what you are saying when you said that glutamate is excitatory and could be causing problems, but glutamate is the pre cursor to GABA in the body, so I don’t understand if it’s doing bad or if it’s doing good.

Regarding adrenaline, I know GABA inhibits acetycholine, which is what I thought the glutamine was good option if it indeed was turned into GABA. I have read reports of people having high adrenaline like symptoms. also, the lack of sweating people experience or changes in sweating people experience, I thought may have been caused by too much acetylcholine, which I was thinking would be helped by GABA.

What do you think?

Acetylcholine does not influence adrenaline a whole lot, at least not directly (ok it does but not in the sense we are talking). Adrenaline and Noradrenaline are catecholamines and actually get made from Dopamine, which gets made from DOPA, which gets made from the amino acid L- Tyrosine. It is actually very plausible that we all have low Dopamine levels, since it is THE most important chemical for libido. It is so tough to legitimately test for certain NTs though that its just speculation. There is a guy who is a medical consultant who states that many of the PFS patients he sees do have low Dopamine levels though. But again just speculation.

Acetylcholine is known to have some implications on the sympathetic system (excitatory). But it also can have some implications on the
parasympathetic system (inhibitory). Under normal conditions it is mainly parasympathetic, but considering so many systems in our body are just out of whack, its hard to say what it leans towards with us. I have used Choline and ALCAR supplements together, which the ALCAR will lend its acetyl group to the choline, so in theory AC should be more available. I can say that it helped more than hindered, but it was not nearly enough of a change to where I would “recommend” it.

so do you think glutamine -> gluatmate -> GABA happens? gluatamte is the precursor to GABA. do you think it’s bad or it’s good? i think it would be good, but your comment about gluatmate still confuses me if it’s bad or good, even though it gets turned into GABA.

[moonman1]

Go ahead and try it out. That is the best way to know for sure. I honestly do not think it will help at all.

[Second_Amendment]

Read what happened to this guy. Sounds like a pelvic floor injury and he has quite a few PFS symptoms. Thoughts?

steadyhealth.com/Penis_shrinking_soft_erections_and_lumpy_semen___t236173.html

[scaredtodeath]

interesting case - sound far too familiar including the ridiculous shrinkage during and right after any bowel movement

[MeStupid]

This makes a lot of sense for me.
I quitted fin 7 years ago “Cold Turkey”, but after one month I begun to see my urinary flow decrease, and I was going to piss more often (about 5 times in a day). The problem getted worse for about 1 year and after that It had been stebilized. I pee every 3-4 hours and I have a very low flow (10 ml/s peek), also low “power” of ejaculation.
One of the many exams I’ve done says that there is an uretral spasm that bloks urine flow.
This uretral spasm, makes urine go inside prostate making prostate inflammation. Inflamed prostate leads low libido, ED, testicular pain (low free T), etc… It’s a vicious circle…

One thing that I don’t understand is why the benzodiazepines I’ve taken to mitigate that problem, hasn’t worked at all.
I’ve also done some internal relaxation manipulations for trigger points releasing (sometyhing like the stanford protocol), but with no luck. Maybe only massages and stretching without GHB can’t really relax all the pelvic area…

PS: someone talked about leaky gut: my faeces has always mucus in it… maybe this is another gift from fin…

[bryce54]

@MeStupid

This makes a lot of sense for me.
I quitted fin 7 years ago “Cold Turkey”, but after one month I begun to see my urinary flow decrease, and I was going to piss more often (about 5 times in a day). The problem getted worse for about 1 year and after that It had been stebilized. I pee every 3-4 hours and I have a very low flow (10 ml/s peek), also low “power” of ejaculation.
One of the many exams I’ve done says that there is an uretral spasm that bloks urine flow.
This uretral spasm, makes urine go inside prostate making prostate inflammation. Inflamed prostate leads low libido, ED, testicular pain (low free T), etc… It’s a vicious circle…

One thing that I don’t understand is why the benzodiazepines I’ve taken to mitigate that problem, hasn’t worked at all.
I’ve also done some internal relaxation manipulations for trigger points releasing (sometyhing like the stanford protocol), but with no luck. Maybe only massages and stretching without GHB can’t really relax all the pelvic area…

PS: someone talked about leaky gut: my faeces has always mucus in it… maybe this is another gift from fin…

mucous in your feces shows you that your body is having digestion issues. get an IgG food anti body test to see your food allergies. it also could be crohns.

[Chi]

What we all need is GHB - I opened a thread here: http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6027&p=49359#p49359

I don’t think this needs to apply just to UK sufferers. If anyone has luck please PM me.

[bryce54]

@moonman1

Go ahead and try it out. That is the best way to know for sure. I honestly do not think it will help at all.

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006899301030153

We conclude that glutamine is the major source of GABA carbon in the rat neocortex produced acutely following GABA-T inhibition by gabaculine in vivo.

[bluejaysfan]

My prostatitis doctor recommended Relexin. Assures me it’s safe, nothing like saw palmetto.

I bought it today and popped my fist pill. Supposed to help the CPPS. I’ll let you guys know if it does anything, good or bad.

Here’s a link

feelgoodnatural.com/health-food/Provantex-Relexin-SALE-60Capsules/UB995/

[MeStupid]

@bryce54

@MeStupid

PS: someone talked about leaky gut: my faeces has always mucus in it… maybe this is another gift from fin…

mucous in your feces shows you that your body is having digestion issues. get an IgG food anti body test to see your food allergies. it also could be crohns.

I’ve done blood test for Celiac Disease and it was negative. I’ve also done a rectoscopy and they found nothing… (no crohns)
I have to make other allergy tests, but doctors seems confused about that argunmet.
Another thing I have very often is the “poo pellets” problem…

[ChrisC]

Are you still doing the stretching etc Moonman? Any improvements?

[marktwain]

So, I wanted to include what happened to me tonight. I have not had a full erection(about 50% at most) since Thanksgiving when I had my 2nd slow crash/decline after the 3 month period when I believed I was cured (because my course had followed Merck’s prediction that everything would return to normal after 5 weeks or so).

Anyway, i have been stretching my lower body for a few days and today I attempted masterbation and before doing so I relaxed my pelvic region and made sure I did not flex my penis during masturbation(which I always do). What happened was a total shock. But for the first time in months I acheieved a full erection. And usually after orgasm my penis immediately loses all blood. BUt this time that did not happen and a lot of blood stayed for at least 5 minutes after.

NO idea if this is related but it seems like too much of a coincidence to not be.

[prop]

guys, one question.
in ur cases, abstaining from masturbation relieve the pelvic tension?
iin my case yes

[bryce54]

@prop

guys, one question.
in ur cases, abstaining from masturbation relieve the pelvic tension?
iin my case yes

can you please elaborate on this?

[prop]

i noticed when i stop masturbating at least for 10 days, pelvic tension fading away.

when i start again i’m back to beginning

i just want to see if this is a normal pattern for all of us,
or if abstaining masturbate give no pelvic tension relief in all of us

[MeStupid]

And with pelvic tension fading away which benefits do you feel?
I have never tried abstaining for up to 5 days because urologists said me that’s better to eiaculate at least every 4 days to decongest the prostate (and my prostate is always inflamed).
I have to try.

[martinM]

@prop

i noticed when i stop masturbating at least for 10 days, pelvic tension fading away.

when i start again i’m back to beginning

i just want to see if this is a normal pattern for all of us,
or if abstaining masturbate give no pelvic tension relief in all of us

This can probably be tied into a larger topic about the PFS orgasm’s effect on the body and muscle tightness/stiffness. While the pelvic tension surely effects the genetalia and erections, I doubt muscle tension is generally local to the pelvic region, though considering it’s the core it may be some of the most apparent…

[Chi]

@martinM

@prop

i noticed when i stop masturbating at least for 10 days, pelvic tension fading away.

when i start again i’m back to beginning

i just want to see if this is a normal pattern for all of us,
or if abstaining masturbate give no pelvic tension relief in all of us

This can probably be tied into a larger topic about the PFS orgasm’s effect on the body and muscle tightness/stiffness. While the pelvic tension surely effects the genetalia and erections, I doubt muscle tension is generally local to the pelvic region, though considering it’s the core it may be some of the most apparent…

Agreed. I notice all my muscles are more tight than before. When I have gone through recovery periods the difference is very noticeable. At this minute my whole body just feels tense, it’s hard to relax.

[martinM]

@Chi

Agreed. I notice all my muscles are more tight than before. When I have gone through recovery periods the difference is very noticeable. At this minute my whole body just feels tense, it’s hard to relax.

Is it worse after ejaculation/sexual release?