"prostate symptoms" are really pelvic floor/perinium?

Symptoms Physical
#121

Thanks for the update Chi. Pretty jealous of your recovery this far. Can only hope it continues. Again, try your best to avoid stress, learn how to meditate if needed, take up yoga, etc. Also, be prepared to have to do the messages daily.

How exactly did you manage to massage your Pelvic Floor with that machine?

As far as the supplements you took…Male Response has many herbs in it. Many of which are known to be Sexual Boosters. Also conatins Yohimbe which is an alpha blocker. However, it seems that you took very few and not consistently, so perhaps this actually did nothing to assist in the recovery. The Prosta-Q is clinically proven to help though. Its main ingredient in Quercetin which improves the inflammation. I have not taken Prosta-Q but have taken Quecetin and did not notice anything. Perhaps I will try it again. Like you said though, both products contain Saw Palmetto. I would stay as far away as possible. SP is an alpha blocker just like Propecia and there are many cases of guys getting PFS from SP.

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I have noticed lately that (1) the left side of my perineum is much more tense than the right side, and (2) sometimes if I see a hot naked girl, I will get this impulse or rush of blood that I can feel go from the back of the Pelvic Floor and start to rush towards my penis, but suddenly disappears right before the penis, almost like their is a blockage there.

Someone earlier mentioned the possibility of electrical stimulation. I think it is very possible that a TENS unit would be beneficial.

Also, earlier I mentioned that the first two steps of this recovery should be (1) Stretching (2) Trigger Point Therapy. I retract that statement. Step 1 should be Trigger Point Therapy and Step 2 Stretching. I say this because stretching a muscle that has Trigger Point is not sensible.

#122

I’m on this track as well. I’m seeing 2 pelvic therapists as from January. Took me 2 months to track them down. Let’s hope they will be skilled enough to cure the problem.

@Chi, what is exactly the tool you used for your massages?

#123

hey chi,

that’s great man. that’s pretty awesome what happened to you. how many of those supplements did you take? based on the fact that you said it was few, i doubt it had a big impact on what happened… it’s possible though. hard to say though. i’m leaning towards no though.

and regarding the pelvic floor… if you goto the porn induced sexual dysfunction thread… some people posted (and scattered through the forum) that their problems started with a masturbation session that was a little too much… i remember reading from someone here they felt a shot of pain in their penis after a masturbation session then all their problems got worse… i can see how pelvic floor muscle dysfunction attributes to this.

as to why it happened to us with PFS… it could have something to do with the fact that the prostate shrank, then with the added masturbation, it just was too much for the system.

#124

i just want to say there are risks involved with this. keepup said he got worse from prostate massages as opposed to getting better over in the prostatitis thread… not sure what to think aobut that one.

#125

What were you going to post Chi?

#126

I do not understand why people come in this thread and focus only on the prostate. That is not what this thread is about!

#127

because Chi specifically said his improvements came from using a prostate massager on his prostate.

and yes, i do understand that most prostatitis may be from pelvic floor muscle dysfunction.

#128

@ ChrisC, I had wrote a whopping post about how i now know what PFS is all about, outlining all the reasons why etc. but for some reason it didn’t post properly and i lost it. It was so long, i don’t think i have time to write it again now, but i will shortly! In brief though, PFS is spasmism of the pelvic floor muscles. It’s the same for all of us. Spasmism is where the muscles and fibres down there are in constant spasm, this is wreaking havoc on blood flows and disrupting signals and nerves, causing ALL the symptoms we experience. Those with physical and mental symptoms is because of low T and low T alone, the T flows are disrutped. However, it is not unreasonable to suggest that this has knock on effects on other organs.

Remember 95% of T comes from Testes, the problem is so obvious it hurts! The crash and/or repeated crashes is because the muscles just won’t relax, when they release people feel better but they always retreat into spasm again, then worsening of symptoms. Do not underestimate the importance of what you are putting into your body because this will, innevitably pass through your pelvic region and will ultimately impact the spasm positively or negatively.

Those that suffer only sexual sides were lucky. The pathways where testosterone flows were relatively unaffected, but the spasm is impacting blood flow and also the prostate. However, the prostate is not necessary very damaged itself, but it is heavily impacted by the constant spasm. I think this is also why treating the prostate alone will not resolve peoples symptoms. I also believe this is why the Kos treatment was relatively ineffective for most. The area that needs focus is the pelvic floor muscles and fibres. For this you need to start using the powerplate at the gym. It’s madness i know, but this is the only thing that will really shake things up in the whole area once you centre the intense vibrations here. The other thing you may need to add is something to loosen/relax the muscles and fibres. I think Male Response & Prosta-Q may have done just this for me.

@ Bryce / moonman1, it was the prostate massage that seemed to make my balls swell up, but i think it’s the powerplate that released the pelvic floor muscles. This thing is very very powerful for what we are trying to achieve. Please try it, but i do also believe you will need something to relax the area, like Prosta-Q or Male Response. I’d suggest trying the powerplate alone first though, it will take a while to work out positions that work for you. Good luck !

Last thing i will say is, feel extremely relieved; because you don’t have brain damage, your adrenals are fine, your thyroid is fine, your eyes are fine, your muscles are fine, everything is fine. The only thing that isn’t fine is the supply of testosterone to your body and also your prostate. This is, in my opinion, the reason for ALL PFS symptoms, the cause is pelvic muscle spasmism. That “Oki” guy was on to something, maybe his were just so badly in spasm he could not sort them out though. Have hope if you have had temporary recoveries, it means the flows were correct for a period - the muscles have the potential to release, a very good sign. I think if you haven’t had temporary recoveries or periods of feeling much better, it’s going to need alot more work.

#129

Last notes:

I’ve read of some of the guys saying that they get benefits from smoking weed. This also ties in quite nicely, because this will relax the region. I think Tim even mentioned his sensitivity coming back. I’m not advocating the use of weed to relax the pelvic floor muscles, but it just another piece of puzzle that fits quite nicely and also backs up this theory.

I remember someone saying that Dr Crisler said we had lost some sort of natural reaction whereby our balls do not retract when touching a certain point on the inner thigh. It was somewhere on the forum. Anyway, the pelvic floor muscles are responsible for testicle “hang” up or down. The reason most of ours are either too “up” or too “down”, is because the pelvic floor muscles are dysfunctional.

I’m afraid i’ve taken a brief look and there’s not much science on this stuff… sorry.

#130

I would love to try out a power plate, unfortunately my gym doesn’t have one :frowning:

Seems you can hire them for about £20 a week here in the UK… Could be an option.

Cheers for your updates Chi, some great news coming from your camp!! :slight_smile:

#131

how about the penile shrinkage is that gone?

#132

Chi, at the moment, do you still feel 100% recovery? As of today, it would be over a week later.

I am having trouble putting an image to how you used the Power Plate. Did you just stand on it or did you sit on it in a certain position?

#133

and how to explain weak body hair growth and no more hair loss?? at least to me…
so the cure would be power plates?? well im buying one today

#134

I crashed last night after a dinner + desert that was way too big for me, my appetite was too much. I didn’t even realise it was still surpressed somewhat.

Am I worried? Not at all. I am EXTREMELY relieved that I am not permanently screwed! :smiley: I just got back from a powerplate session and feel miles better already - not 100% though no, but I could barely get the vibrations into the spasm it was just too tough. I didn’t take any prosta-q or other though.

So what have I learned? Well for starters don’t claim a full recovery unless it’s been 6 months! :blush: but I’ve also learned that PFS is, in my opinion, an EXTREME case of pelvic floor dysfunction, the area is in spasmism. I will do some experimenting over the coming weeks before posting anything significant. Ive also learned that the line between full recovery and badness is so fine, i.e. As fine as a hose or hoses being pinched!!

Interestingly, when I crashed I popped a prosta-q in desperation, unbelievably I was fully recovered 2 hrs later, but it only lasted about 2 hrs. I could even feel the tension and area going into spasmism again. Had I had access to a powerplate then I might have been able to flip things back over again.

So where to go from here? Well more of the same, looking for new and better positions to get the vibrations into the spasm. I am also going to research some better, more pure (i.e. without SP) supplements to relax the pelvic floor. I absolutely wholeheartedly believe this is the cause of PFS now.

What to do with the powerplate?

  • For starters you can sit on it, pressing perineum against the plate. You must use the mind to try and relax and open the muscles though.
  • Deep squat, like the images in this thread. Rock back and forth to find the spot.
  • Forward bend, try touch your toes. Keep your feet slightly forward and pigeon-toed, arse a bit back. This will enable the vibrations to run up the inside of your leg towards the pelvic floor. You can also bend your knees slightly trying to find the spot.

These are the main ones, but there’s a big mind aspect to open up the area.

Sorry the news is not positive but I’m not too fussed, I now know where to focus over the coming weeks and that feels good!

Chi

#135

Lack of T, lack of T to convert to DHT

#136

did you have penile shrinkage?

#137

Very very minor yes, sometimes it was alot thinnner, like a pencil, but length has generally been ok. Testicles on the otherhand is a different matter. This time yesterday, everything was normal.

#138

so your problem was…girth.
and that has resolved right?

#139

I might not agree with you 100% Chi, but I think you are on to something. There are similarities between bicylce-riding induced ED and PFS sufferers.

sandiegosexualmedicine.com/?page=male/sexual-health-problems/bicycle-riding

I also applaud you for your forward thinking and paradigm shifting ideas. The very limited success of TRT and HPTA restarts shows that we need some new, fresh ideas. Ideas that come from PFS sufferers.

#140

I have been loosely doing my own variations of the stretches in this [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQAG9DtKWho[/youtube] for the past few days and I have noticed a slight increase in penis size, texture and temp it definitely feels less tense/hard when flaccid.

I am nowhere near as flexible as the chick in the vid but like I say I have taken the basis of each move and done what I can with them. I am also trying to track down the use of a power plate.

Just thought id share, it’s a pleasant watch if nothing else :wink:. Go carful though, I felt like iv been on the verge of injury a couple of times… i.e. warm up, don’t try to copy her and over do it.