what about yoga posture? i don’t know the names, maybe cobra position for stretching abdominal area …
musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?17459-Hard-Flaccid-Syndrome…/page15
Has this been posted in here?
Quite an active thread on the same topic over on Crisler’s forum
Not so good news. To make it short, in 15 days I was supposed to move across seas to be with my 2 year GF and just last week she decided that was not a good idea. I am actually handling it very well, but still as with any breakup have been having a decent amount of stress (periods of mini-depression, relief, anxiety, lostness, anger, regret, etc). All of this has caused my penis to revert back to “pre-exercise condition”. In fact, I do not think my penis has ever been this small, dead looking and feeling. I may take a Prazosin tomorrow and see if it relieves the issues at all.
Bitches they come they go (would just be easier if our penis worked)…Stay strong fellas 
I posted it on page 1. Some good info there and at hardflaccid.com
Interestingly, the guy who runs hardflaccid.com had all of his symptoms start with “stress and taking Saw Palmetto”, but he refuses to believe that SP had anything to do with it. For those who do not know it is a 5AR inhibitor.
Interesting thoughts man. Wish I had some more insight into this, but I dont. I’ll try the stretch out from the vid, I actually stopped stretching the hip flexors a few weeks in, which prolly wasnt a good idea.
I have prostate relate symptoms, can you please do a summary of the stretch exercises that can help improve?
Thank you very much!
just read this on another forum… i just got new insurance and i’m going to try to look into this and try to see if i can get some kind of physical therapy.
forum.hardflaccid.org/discussion/168/numbness/p2
HF refers to hard flaccid, it’s a condition people get from penis exercises where your penis is trapped with blood in it that decrease their libido, cause shrinkage, and cause penile numbness. very, VERY similar to PFS people with more extreme problems… at least in the penis area.
After only a couple of fairly invasive prostate massages with my pro-state massager, in addition to using the power plate in the gym to shake (loosen) things up a bit, my balls swelled up, round and full. They have been this way for 1 week now and I have been 100% recovered for 2 days now (yes vision, mental symptoms, libido, sensitivity, everything). I TOTALLY relate to that “kink” described above.
I’m not here to mess you guys around, this is serious and the truth. Note I am also not advocating vigourous prostate massage, as it could be dangerous. I could easily turn shit tomorrow, but at the moment I am 100% ‘me’. Just masterbated and it felt great. Thanks.
Will report back next week with an update (most likely i would have been swollowed up by the huge dark abyss that comes along once in a while to completely destroy and scare the shit out of me again, but we’ll see).
hey man, congratulations. that is freaking awesome! good for you! you deserve it!!! just don’t overdo the masturbation!! keep us updated.
did you actually goto a clinic to get this done or is this something you did at home?
at home
I found the best position was to stand, with one leg on a table (normal sized desk, so yes quite high). I used the drainage technique mostly, i.e. putting quite alot of pressure at the top of the prostate and slowly pulling the pro-state massager downwards. It seemed to be this technique that made my balls swell up later on in the day. It was not immediate. Then after about 3 days of the first time doing it, i did another massage and that messed things all up again. All the while i was using the power plate at the gym, plus doing a bit of stretching (nothing too heavy). I’m not sure this is where any of the benefits came from though, but maybe it helped to loosen things a bit. I decided to do another massage (maybe 10-15 mins) of some really precise massaging about a week ago. Balls swelled up later that night again. This time i decided to leave it. I’ve noticed things getting better ever since to be honest, but the last 2 days i’ve been as good as 100%. Woke up this morning and actually felt compelled to take care of business. Nice images in my head again of past sexual encounters - i love that!
That said, this condition has been cruel to me at times. It would not surprise me, if within a week I am worse than ever; with chest pains, shrunken nuts/cock and the rest of the shit that Merck has already tortured me with in the past 1 year. Arseholes.
Good stuff Chi!
It’s clear that this isn’t just a physical [EDIT: muscular] problem and no amount of physical work will bring back proper form, though physical work may bring some or temporary relief. Prior to finasteride my body did things naturally. Now the body doesn’t respond like it did prior to fin. The issue with finasteride is the body used to signal to do things on it’s own, post-fin the signals are no longer there or not operating effectively.
I worry about the lack of active signals in the body. With massage your body is being forced to do something, how do you get your body to actively relax the muscles without massage? I worry that the muscles will constrict more in response to being forced to relax.
I am a sceptic these days, so probably it will all drift away. I think others have had the same problem. Granted he’s a bit of a bellend and his story is a mess, but UK20 has the same issue. Proscarred is also documenting similar fluctuation. No doubt about it though, this massage restored some function to my balls. Their consistency is alot better too. It’s 3 days now and I’m going good, proof I’m not totally screwed. Of course alot longer is needed and I’m concious of the fact I have now logged 2 recoveries on this forum. I don’t want my credibility to be damaged, but when I’m saying I’m recovered at the moment it’s true!
95% of the body’s testosterone comes from the testes guys and we all exhibit symptoms of low testosterone… Finasteride wreaks havoc with the prostate and seminal vesicles etc… The prostate is the gatekeeper to blood flow to and from the testes… Frankly the answer stares us right in the face in my opinion. I’m not trying to discredit research elsewhere, but definitely definitely look into the prostate route. This gland is the emotional centre of a man, it’s like another brain (almost).
Do you still have varicocele?
I am glad that you have recovered for the moment. Do not over masturbate now though! Regardless, I would also expect to “crash” again.
Why exactly are you focusing on only the prostate and not the pelvic floor muscles? I have never heard of the prostate alone as the “gate keeper of bloodflow” to the genitals. Also, yes, these symptoms are of low testosterone, but keep in mind that TRT has not helped a single person here.
how is it so clear that this isn’t a physical problem? you nor I know the exact cause of PFS so that is impossible that you know the answer to that. the book headache in the pelvis says that most cases of prostatitis are actually pelvic floor muscle dysfunction, and yes these people out of wack hormones as well… and the book was written by doctors, look it up, they have a medical center somewhere in the USA where they treat people for this.
do you have a source that says somewhere that trigger point release therapy of pelvic floor muscles may result in conditions worse than the initial problem? from the headache in the pelvis book, to the obvious high recovery of Chi, to the hardflaccid forum post I’ve posted, this may be a way to get better.
Please read all, sorry it is not the nicest looking passage of text.
4 days now, complete normality. Of course I am very weary of another crash, in fact walking around yesterday i could almost feel my hormones on a knife edge at times. I think walking was aggrevating my prostate somehow causing some improper blood flow. My vision went a little hazy for a few moments, but that was the only side effect i felt come back and it was only for a few minutes. I drank alot of fresh spring water and i continue to do so at the moment to keep a fresh supply of nutrient rich water in my body. I think it’s helping to stabalise things.
@ moonman, I think i did focus on the pelvic floor muscles by using the power plant in the gym. See this link for the machine i am talking about: http://www.gymcompany.co.uk/powerplate/?gclid=CPGPltOimq0CFegmtAodmHgrlA. It is important to try and relax the prostate when you are treating it though, 95% of the time we (I) tense the prostate and pelvic floor it seems. It’s almost in constant tension, so you need to use your mind to the best of it’s ability to open it up, let the massaging seep in to the centre of the prostate. You’ll know when you hit the spot.
Regarding trying to not masterbate, I don’t think you realise how difficult this is when you are normal and extremely horny 
but I am serious about that, i’m not sure about some of you guys, but some days pre-fin i couldn’t sleep unless i had ejaculated, it just gave me this sense of relaxation. Well i lost that for 11 months post crashing, but now it is back, the same thing applies. I can’t just stop masterbating, I have a “need”. I went twice yesterday and now this morning, the urge is completely there. I’m not looking at visual stimuli either. A very good sign for me is that my balls are actually swelling up (enormous) post ejaculation. I haven’t had that for 11 months and I know this is what used to happen. Trust me I am being careful though, had it been pre-fin i would have done it alot more by now. The only other thing i think I should mention now is that in the past say 1 month or so of focusing on prostate region I have taken around 5 tablets of Male Response before 5 seperate gym sessions (including powerplate massage). I have also taken around 3 tablets of Prosta-Q ahead of 3 seperate gym sessions (including powerplate massage). I do not know what contribution these supplements have made but it’s important to mention, because they contain saw palmetto.
@ Bryce / MartinM, i brought both those books headache in the plevis and also heal pelvic pain, i’ve only looked at heal pelvic pain because the other one is yet to arrive, but my view is while both these books are good, once you bring your head around to how obvious this problem is you won’t need these books, because you’ll find the answer intuitively. However, i’ve realised there is a big mind aspect to overcoming this problem too, which i think is described in headache in a pelvis though not sure. By this i mean you need to get your brain to start sending signals down below, even if there is no response to start with. Our minds can and do play a big part in healing this condition (which is, in my view, 100% a physical pelvic floor and prostate problem). [Enter Mew to tell me that my side effects are all psychological in nature and he’s glad that I have overcome my mental problem ] I hope, Mew, that you will not take this comment the wrong way. As you will know from meeting me at Awor’s experiment, I am a genuine sufferer of PFS who had numb genitals and many many other problems.
The mind plays a big aspect because there is a signalling issue between brain and testes, but that is because of a blockage of sorts; when trying to unblock or “un-kink” the pipes, your brain needs to pro-actively send signals down to your prostate and testes. By this I mean it’s not currently happening naturally, so you do need to force your brain to do it while you are trying to “un-kink” the hoses, this will help massively but it takes time. Note it is the physical problem that needs to be resolved though, but understand the part your mind has to play in re-establishing mind-penis connection. I know it’s diffcult to realise this when you have cognitive problems, it is only something I have become very clear on now I have a totally clear thought process.
OK, I hope this wraps things up. I am aware that “Oki” had a similar revelation as seen in Moonman’s posting earlier in this thread, which was later trashed when he crashed again or his problems came back (as seen here http://www.pelvicpain.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41&highlight=oki). So it is possible that I will also relapse, crash or whatever. However, I now know what this problem is about and I believe it is the same for all of us. The reason we have such varying degrees of symptoms is because there are many many different pipes and vessels down there where all sorts of signals flow; different pipes will likely mean different things to different people. It is also possible that some peoples pipes are more kinked/damaged than others. Maybe I am one of the lucky ones who just has a problem with one major pipe that appears to be accessible. I don’t know. What I do know is where to focus my efforts if my problems come back.
I will be honest and say to you I think i do still have some very very minor PFS related problem, but it is so small as to be negligible - my left knee & right shoulder clicks more than before still and my ball sack has very occassionally pulled up again once or twice for a few minutes during the past 4 days. However, none of this affects my life and I am certain they will dissipate should I carry on this way during the coming weeks.
Regarding the TRT not working comment, I cannot explain this for you.
There is going to be a recovery posted by Chi, proscarred or myself in the next few months. It has GOT to happen soon.
Chi, what was the dosage of Saw Palmetto in your prostate supplement?
The 2 supplements are Male Response & Prosta-Q - research them. However, I took so few it is hard to say they contributed, who knows though. What I do know is i found it easier to relax my pelvic floor + prostate after taking these supplements. I can’t post a recovery soon because it needs to be MUCH longer. To be honest, Mew is probably laughing at me right now because I sent him a message only about 6 weeks back in pure desperation trying to remove myself from this forum. I was in a bad state and impotent for about a week, my problems spiralled out of control. Now I’m claiming a full recovery and that our problems are 100% pelvic floor/prostate related. I guess time will tell and I will be eating a serious amount of humble pie if I come back with bad news. It is of course possible and maybe I have been naive to report these things. However, it is very fresh now and the best time to do it, with my PFS head I cannot write so eloquently about experiences.
You guys probably think i’m a nutter, but as you can imagine feeling “normal” brings with it alot of enthusiasm that has been absent for a while.
one time i felt also near a complete recovery, i wanted to tell to everybody but i was told towait at least six months for claim anything. we have to stop the enthusiasm unfortunately