Moonman 1, can you please update us on what exercises you are doing and how your progress has been?
In the end then, was it because we lowered our DHT which affects the prostate that our prostates got very weak? We don’t exactly know how hormones work but maybe our hormones are out of whack because of the weekend prostate.
For the most part, I have had great improvements in the following from stretches/exercises and constant reminder to keep my pelvic floor “opened”…
-spider veins gone
-large dorsal vein improved/normal
-coldness/numbness gone
-improved color tone (looks less dead)
-urinary stream is stronger (it used to fork/split…now it is straight and strong)
-increased morning/nocturnal wood that wakes me up every night
-erections (when I get them) are stronger and last longer
-orgasms shoot further and stronger
I do notice these symptoms get worse if I take a day or 2 off of the stretches and I allow myself to be “stressed”.
Still not noticing any random daytime erections and libido is still zero.
I believe I have pretty much seen all the improvements I can with Step 1: Stretches…time to move to Step 2: Myofascial Trigger Point Therapy. Unfortunately I am moving across the pond in a few weeks and have no idea if I will find a legit PT dealing with this.
I have compiled a list of PTs in America who should be beneficial. I will post it later. My goal is to see Amy Stein in NYC.
I have no idea. Finasteride blocks 5AR. 5AR is needed for allopregnenelone. This works of GABA receptors. Which is known as “humans natural Valium”. It is possible that this caused the problem. I can’t say for sure though.
Did you have the “hollowed out” feeling in your pelvic floor/perinium? Does it feel back to normal now or no?
This whole syndrome is nerve related. It is not known though what is the main cause of Prostatitis/prostate swelling that causes nerve compression. The pelvic splanchic nerve passes over the prostate, and when the prostate is swollen, the nerve gets stretched and the signals through those erection nerves gets weaker. the signals have to pass through a poor conductor, the stretched erection nerves. The result is a weak erections or no erection, lack of sensation, and lack of libido. Erection starts from the brain which sends a signal that passes through the nerve and the nerve send neurotransmitters that causes increased blood flow. Note that common symptoms among people here is lack of penile sensitivity and feeling like the brain is disconnected from the penis. Note the TRT will never work if there is nerve dysfunction. The only option I can see is surgical intervention. This condition shouldn’t be irreversible, even if the nerve is really damaged, nerve graft will restore the nerve transmission.
i hope that pfs is inflamation related.
with a nerve damage there r no treatments
i’m looking for special nerve diagnostic strategy
if u come from france ther’s u ’ ll find the best pudendal nerve investigation text covered by sss
but fo strangers is a bit expensive
they didn’t see it was “damage” with the diagnosis in France.
It is is blocked…by inflammation oedema…
it suits perfecty the theory of this thread. Actually they sometime advice their patients to
follow such a protocol. the advantage of this diagnosis is that they can spot where your nerve is blocked.
I am still wondering if there also could be a connection with some fungus infection though, causing the persistant inflammation.
Anyway infection or not, you may free your erectil nerve by stretchings.
yes, i said only, IF the’rs a nerve damage, it’s hardly treatable
by the way i read somewhere about a special neurography tesla, i don’t know much about
yes i read about this also.
I don’t know what to think about this.
It is mainly in the US developed by a certain doc Aaron:
youtube.com/watch?v=Y6kAZr6BUc0
they have a licence on thei technique and it seems is only perform in the center which have the licence.
Apparently they are going to open a clinic in London:
neurography.com/corporate/news/140-just-announced-london-clinic-with-dr-aaron-g-filler-md-phd-december-11-13-
I really want to believe this theory that this is a blocked nerve, but then how do you explain the low libido and brain fog which are common symptons of PFS for everyone?
there’s no way this is nerve damage as the root cause… nerve damage is happening because something else is causing it, that’s pretty clear when people have spontaneous improvements.
@ fina 13: there seem to be a lot of different things going on with most people. I personally never suffered a crash and never had brainfog. my ed and several pains and feelings of numbness probably come from my pelvic floor and is exacerbated by stress. the stress leads to low libido which is why all my symptoms are fluctuating. i also suffer from mild Peyronie’s Disease which is a different case. and again others suffer from hormonal imbalances / a failure of their androgen receptor (or whatever you may call it) which probably effects libido and erectile function also.
just throwing that out there, that’s my opinion of what seems to happen to people. I’ve had a near to full recovery this morning and I’ve been stretching only for a couple of days. now the pain is back but i’m sure it’s all related and I can make a full recovery. Thanks moonman1 for a lot of really useful information, I’m going to try to combine the stretching and massaging with something close to a raw foot diet and a lot of rest, hope this will work
libido is not just about hormones…if you don’t have a good feedback from your penis you can’t have good libido. lets imagine you have a sexual thought and it doesn’t trigger any pleasure down there, then it becomes just a neutral image.
It is the nerve which triggers erections, and makes the sensitivity of the penis, hormones just enhance this signal. people who don’t have top
hormones can have erections, some of us have very good hormones and no erections…
for the brain fog i don’t know , but the E.D. part is clearly due to the nerve. what is affecting our nerve (chronic inflammation, or anything else) is locating in the perineum, an important center to balance the body hormones levels, it must affect a lot of things, and other chronic diseases can create brain fogs (like crohns disease)…
No.
You can have libido without having a prostate.
Next!
Reciprocal inhibition stretches may be a suitable substitute or replacement for Myofascial Trigger Point Therapy.
Reciprocal inhibition describes the relaxation of muscles on one side of a joint to accommodate contraction on the other side of that joint.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_inhibition
This video shows how you can make multiple movements to stretch a single muscle group, specifically the hip flexors.
youtube.com/watch?v=bTsS—dSB8&feature=player_embedded
This type of stretching is similar to compound exercises. It’s interesting that it’s specifically used to trick the nerves into firing and relaxing when they aren’t doing it on their own. Perhaps the nerve issues and numbness in the genitalia extend to the muscles in the pelvic region.
We don’t claim that prostate involution is the reason, but a blocked/compressed pelvic splanchic nerve is the reason. No you can not have libido without a nerve conduction! Please have a look at the function of penile nerves and their anatomy. It is the nerve that initiates erection. It is the nerve that triggers blood flow. You can have all the testosterone in the world, but It won’t be effective without nerve conduction. Libido is initiated in the brain, If the nerve signal can not be transmitted to the penis then how are you supposed to achieve an erection? I had better libido when I was 6 years old than I do now, and I bet my Testosterone level was negligible when I was 6 years old. I’m serious.
Lack of sensation, disconnection of brain and penis, periodic decrease of symptoms intensity, and temporary recoveries achieved by antibiotics are all supporting evidence of that theory. A muscle relaxant will help a little bit. A swollen prostate is another evidence.
The 1 million dollar question is why did the inflammation take place? What can be the reason of this damn inflammation? why did it happen after stopping Finasteride? I did not crash on Finasteride, I crashed 2 weeks AFTER stopping it. I was OK for 2 weeks after stopping Finasteride. It is a real mystery.
Im not sure what your saying here.
Getting an erection is different from having libido. I can get an erection with no libido. Quite a disturbing thing. There are also testimonials from men with no prostates but who still feel sexual desire. This proves that ‘libido’ is all about the brain. Not hormones, not the prostate/perinium or penis.
The same for me!
I have “only” uriniary problems (weak flow/frequncy), permanently inflammed prostate and low libido, but erections are ok (I have always night erections, but not morning woods).
Did you find anything that helps?
it is right that some patients having nerve damaged after prostatectomy can have libido.
But it seems common to have a libido issue
healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1669759
and i don’t think the surgeons missed their prostate for their brains by mistake…
don’t get me wrong libido is complex a lot of things can affect it, but if the part of the brain responsible for libido don’t sense
the penis it is not far-fetched to say it can affect it. as libido mechanism expects to send a nervous signal to your penis it necessarly has feedback from it.
Oscar the prostate and a nerve are two cometely different things.
Moonman, it would be really good to get an update on how you are doing with the stretches/massages etc? Still noticing improvements? I have to say, i have noticed benefits in nut size on the back of prostate massages.