He uses Biovea. I linked to it on page 7, I think. Just make sure you get the one for women and not the one for men. The one for men uses saw pawmeletto or whatever.
Thank you very much for the update late!
I don’t know much about how the human body works so maybe the following is way out of track, but when I see you talking about feedback loops and the HPTA axis I remember a site I found about a year ago.
cure-erectile-dysfunction.org/
It has a lot of texts written by a “Dr. Richards” who says he knows how to cure erectile dysfunction if it’s caused by “sexual exhaustion”. He also answers some questions about finasteride (there are links to propeciahelp).
I have no idea if this dr is telling the truth or just wants to promote the supplements he is selling from the site, but it is an interesting site with a lot of information that seems legit to me. I thought about trying his supplements some time ago but he never answered my mail with questions so I didn’t order.
I have however read about people on other forums trying dr. Richards approach (not buying the stuff from him) who says it is working.
What do you think about his theories and recommendations? I’m still thinking about trying it if progesterone and iodine don’t work.
His ideas seem pretty solid mate. However i can’t help but be critical of anyone who tells a story- makes deductive points then- trys to promote/sell something.
Nether the less- it makes good sense.
I think the hardcore science and study will ultimate come down to the work AWOR/PFS foundation is doing ATM- if anyone is going to hit the nail on the head, its them.
I’m guessing that my experience with progesterone was likely an indirect approach to the problem, which happened to eventually alleviate it. Whereas the findings of those specific studies being conducted will hopefully end the speculation war on this forum.
Until then- if your VERY confident a particular regime or treatment will help you recover without being it detrimental- i’d say go for it 
What made you stick with the cream after it caused mini crashes? I’d be (and was) scared shitless.
Mate after months and months and months of being scared shitless above the prospect of this being INDEFINITE, i researched my life away- learned from others people’s failures and successs- decided on a regime based on what i’d learned and promised myself i’d see it through.
Like i said- the first mini crash was quickly followed by a mini improvement- brain fog and anxiety were the first to drastically disappear. I figured i was on to something- so i kept going- and i kept getting better.
Glad i did
How essential do you think the deprenyl is to the regime? I have prog cream still, but never picked up the former. I read in your original post it revitalizes something associated with libido? I tried reading about it and it seems to mainly treat depression, of course I’m sure there’s plenty of literature I’m missing.
On a side note, thanks for sticking around and talking with us, man. If everyone who has recovered would do that I think people would have a lot more hope. I’m sure there would be quite a few posts in the recovery section. Although I guess I can’t blame people for wanting to put all this behind them if they dodge the bullet.
Thanks cap,
I think I asked that question already my brain is gone to shit.
I feel you, man. I was feeling pretty derpy today.
yo LATE, you rule. just sayin’ 
thanks for good posts! i might look into this in the future. EDIT oh yeah! did i understood right that you guys pr much use a whole 15$ tube/pump in two days?
and hey Finatruth: if you plan on doing that testing/progesterone further, could you please keep us up to date about it time to time? so we know if you eg crash with this or you keep seeing success or whatever, anything. no need for daily updates obv tho, that’d be a chore for you and us. 
Hey guys,
My Progesterone Cream arrived in the mail this week and I am sort of preparing myself to give this regimen a try. However, I thought it would be a good idea to talk to my doctor (endo) first and ask for his opinion on it before going ahead with it.
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I was baffled by his reaction to progesterone cream. He was extremely surprised that there were ‘people on the internet’ using progesterone cream to deal with libido issues and was pretty adamant when he told me NOT to go for it. In his own words: ’ this stuff will kill your libido. We use progesterone cream for sexual assault convicts in order to keep their libido down’.
On Deprenyl: He doesn’t even know what that is. Has no idea, never heard of it. WTF? [/b]
Some background on the doctor: I’m in Toronto Canada and he works at Mount Sinai Hospital, which is pretty much one of North America’s best-known/equiped urological/endocrinology departments. His name is doctor Adam Millard (I wonder if anyone here has had any previous experiences with him before?) Fairly young doctor who has been pretty much useless in helping me dealing with any PFS symptoms up until now since in his own words ‘there is nothing to be treated for’ since my hormonal profiles are all within range, yada, yada… BUT, he is a doctor nonetheless and I am pretty wary about going against his advice at this point.
So I need to ask before I go ahead and test the progesterone cream…
Has anyone had bad (or really bad) experiences with it before in terms of libido and erection?
Any thoughts on this doctor’s opinion?
Thanks a lot, looking forward to hear from you all!
Not sure what exactly you all do up there in Canada… but I was just meeting with a doc at a top endo unit and we discussed progesterone use, among other things. Her basic assessment was that if I am seeing some desired results, keep using it. Said that progesterone treatment is something that we are only starting to understand. Anyway, get a second opinion, rather than some guy’s best knee jerk reaction to something that he probably doesn’t understand anyway.
Also, I’ve been using progesterone for a few weeks now, rubbing in one location or another, nightly before bed. Mental sides cleared up immediately after first dose, came back (to a lesser degree) when I took a week off, and went away upon restarting. possible slight decrease in libido, hard to say. Could all be a placebo effect too, though I guess at the end of the day that is irrelevant.
Hey Tico,
I’m from t-dot too. I havent found a doctor who has been helpful with our unique issues.
Your experience with this doc mirrors my own with some of the best specialists here.
Re the progesterone, I didnt work for me as it did for others.
Initially it added some “warmth” down there, but ultimately I regressed.
Just start slow and monitor yourself… you should have no problems.
ive been using the progesterone cream for 9 days now and i must say im feeling much better for it,so far anxiety and depression have almost dissapeared,energy seems to be returning to my body,this last week going for a run has been making me feel on top of the world afterwards,instead of it feeling like a chore i feel like i dont want to stop running etc,i feel like i could go forever,fingers crossed this lasts or gets even better,no sexual progress to report as yet,things still the same in that department…
Could it be that the reason why progesterone cream is helping some if us may actually be because it is an anti androgen?
It has been speculated that in our new PFS state raising androgens can have little or even negative effect, while some people have felt better from taking 5 ar inhibitors like dut or milder ones like zinc or vitamin d3 (usually presumed to help because they ‘boost testosterone’). A few people, myself included, seem to get a benefit the next day from drinking alcohol despite it being known to reduce testosterone.
Thanks for your replies guys.
Well I figured I would give Progesterone a try anyways and see how things pan out so I’ve started my first dose this morning and will report back to you guys.
Here is some background on my case: I have never had the most severe mental side effects reported by many of us, meaning I never had mental fog while on finasteride or after discontinuing it. My depression/anxiety is relatively mild comparing to others here and since I quit fin, it comes and goes more as consequence of the ups and downs on my sexual side effects. Since quitting, I’ve mostly been dealing with low libido, ED and social withdrawal/disconnect from people. My hormonal profiles were never out of range. I’m 27 years old, was on fin for 7 years, quit 13 months ago and am generally fit/healthy.
So as I mentioned I’ve started using Progesterone today and will report back on anything relevant. I’m initiating this cycle of progesterone after having weened myself off of a cycle of Vit.D, Gotu Kola, Tribulus and Ginseng with relatively good results. I have dropped the Gotu Kola and the Tribulus, reduced the Ginseng and kept the Vit. D. Any suggestions/questions are greatly appreciated.
Hey Lightattheend, are you still taking progesterone? or did you stop taking/reduce it at a certain point?
Read through his posts in the first three pages of this thread. He started taking it around July, doing two weeks on, four days off, then reduced it to every other day sometime in the fall. He stated he stopped taking it for good in December and believes he is fully recovered. His total time taking progesterone ran about five to six months.
In a follow-up conversation with the endocrinologist I recently saw I asked her about the progesterone cream and sex offenders, etc. She mentioned that that such a treatment would involve very high doses, not the dabs that I and most of us have been using. I reflected that giving propecia to sex offenders might be more effective than progesterone, not to give Merck and new marketing ideas.
More to the point, however:
I had my blood work redone after two weeks dabbing progesterone, then taking a week off. At the end of the off week I scored an increase in testosterone from 243/240 to 290. Lh increased from 1.1/1.3 to 1.7 and FSH from 0.9/1.1 to 1.3. Not huge gains, and they could be natural increases, but the tests do offer some evidence to corroborate why I’ve been feeling a little more normal since I started with the progesterone.
On another note, I realized that it really doesn’t take much to feel the benefit, at least with respect to the cognitive symptoms. I am using only really, really, small dabs.
Hey Light at the End.
Thanks for sharing. I too have something to add which i’m not sure if it helped or was just a co-incidence. I have been suffering for almost 1 year off the drug and have mainly sexual sides. I saw a health coach and he did a test on me which pointed out that my brain was oxygen starved, i had no melotonin or serotonin either…probably why i’m emotionally numb.
Anyway before seeing this forum i had a rebound experience a month ago…i hit the gym and did a weight lifting session (legs/chest/back)…30 mins that was it…because i read that if you excersise intensely for about 30 mins it will drop your cortisol levels (i do not know if i have high cortisol atm but am seeing an endo in 3 weeks)…following this gym session i ate a curry for dinner which obviously contains spices and tumeric in particular…i’ve read that tumeric is a herb that increases the natural progesterone in your body…so i’m wondering if this had anything to do with my quick rebound (only lasted 3/4 days before going to back to SHIT!! …but it was the best i was able to feel my dick in a long time…i could actually move it and feel it again.)
I haven’t tried this since but have been having tumeric tea and adding tumeric in my meals…aswell as having vitamin b to let the hormone absorb…and i have felt a little different…although i have to try this with a gym session again.
Has anyone else had an experience like this? or has tried to increase their progesterone naturally without the cream?
Also LIGHT AT THE END…i was wondering when you applied the cream if you mostly applied it on the days that you went to the gym? and if so in the morning or at night?
Will keep you upto date,
Ta, Hugh
Turmeric has been found to be a pretty potent anti-inflammatory agent. I think that’s a better explanation to the improvement you experienced. But it aborbs poorly, so you might want to try something like this: thorne.com/products/musculos … ~sf775.jsp
I bought it, but haven’t introduced it to my regimen yet. (Trying not to change too many variables at once.)