I was doing some reading on progesterone cream and I read somewhere that it blocks or suppresses 5ar. So how would that make us better? If it works, it works, that’s cool. Just curious. What I read may be totally wrong as well.
Post the source.
I found it on a random page while researching upregulation of AR since I’m sad about my hair falling out faster after stopping Fin. I was on my phone so I don’t have the link, sorry. I can try to find it when I get home. 
Also, I had no idea Fin makes you hyper sensitive to androgens, causing you to lose hair hand over fist when you stop. I never would have touched it if I knew that, what would be the point? I hope that normalizes over time. My hair was veerrryyyyyy gradually falling out before I took fin. I would have enjoyed many more years of a pretty full head of hair had I never taken that. And yeah, I know, nobody cares about hair here and it’s the least of my issues right now, but it still makes me depressed and full of regret.
update on my progesterone use,in my last post on this thread i had been on the cream for 9 days and felt great for it,unfortunately on day 10 i woke with a bad bout of cold and flu so stopped taking the cream on day 12 and stayed off it due to feeling like shit etc,anyway,ive started allover again with the progesterone today,severe anxiety etc have returned since being off it for 16 days,hopefully this will soon dissapear like last time,ill let you know how i get on…
Hey Everybody/Light at the end.
I found a website called progesterone therapy. www.progesteronetherapy.com
Might be worth a look.
I’ve had a few emails back n forth to a guy or girl called Wray Whyte, in regards about the progesterone. He/she said that too little of the stuff will only makes things worse because it will stimulate more estrogen to be produced. ( I have a 5 to 1 ratio of estrogen to testosterone). He said that using 100mg or more per day would be more beneficial because that would create more progesterone production and lower the estrogen.
I have not tried this yet but will take it into consideration after i see an endo on thurs. So to any of you who have tried this and are getting worse…maybe because you didn’t use enough cream.
However this conflicts with light at the end as he said he only used 5mg?! Could we get some confirmation as to the exact amount of cream used…
I’ve been the best i’ve felt in 8 months - and haven’t started the progesterone yet. I’ve just been having tumeric tea everyday 2nd/3rd day and have been taking 2/3 melatonin tablets before bed every 2nd day or there abouts. 2/3 weeks taking these tablets, i’ve noticed morning erections are coming back more…not 100% but best i’ve had in 8 months.
Ta, Hugh - Hope everybody is doing well 
You have to think about the fact, that what is helping normal people is not helping us!
We are not longer normal we are different. And the fact that progesterone is stimulating estrogens is maybe the reason why it works…
I cannot really describe theories about what I think is the reason for progesterone helping, cause my english sucks and it is just something I heard from a former friend.
So using 100mg progesterone is not the real deal, cause it is 5 mg that was helping light at the end.
Maybe it is just that easy!
Any updates from those on month 2 or 3 of progesterone ?
Ok i think what light at the end means is he used 5ml of the prgesterone cream per day which in turn is 100mg of progesterone…this is according to the back of the eurovital progesterone cream bottle. It says 1ml dose contains 20mg. So this is exactly why the guy from the progesteone therapy website was saying. Talk soon.
I am pretty sure, that it 5 mg. My Progesteron contains 20 mg per dose approx. That means late would have used 5 pumps per day. I do Not think that this is True.
He may used half a dose of The cream…
Just to let people know i think the selegiline is important here as progesterone supplementation will increase prolactin levels which will decrease androgen production. Selegiline should prevent that from happening.
I have experimented with 5 days of 5-10mg progesterone and found it made me feel very sleepy and initially did negatively affect my sexual function. However, it also at times made me feel much more refreshed and erections have became more frequent and strong. Sensitivity has been variable but i’ve currently stopped as noticed i was starting to develop slightly puffy nipples which suggest to me too much prolactin and this is not a good idea as decreasing androgens in this way will not be beneficial.
I think progesterone from my usage of it could potentially be part of a solution but it needs balancing out i think. That is if indeed progesterone is the reason lightattheend improved.
I’m going to wait til symptoms of gyno settle as its not the lump variety and more puffiness which i think it will since i only took it for a few days and its not that bad. Then will consider trying it with something like selegiline.
I’ve done 2 rounds of progesterone. Each time I dipped low and each time I have bounced back stronger. I am having nighttime erections almost everynight and my libido is almost all the way back!! This is after 10 months since my crash
I feel like the selegiline is an important part but it’s tough to say as not very many people have tried prog + sel.
That is fantastic.
Are your nighttime erections and libido improvements keeping after stopping progesterone? If so how long of stretch has it been since your last round of progesterone?
Great!!
How long is each round and each pause?
Hi Guys-
Just thought i’d say how awesome it is that this is actually working for some of you!
*** please bare in mind- everything i say here is strictly IMO- the hard science behind all this will hopefully be unraveled by Awol- Mew etc - Kudos to them for spearheading and guiding this forum- without which i don’t think many of us would be armed with all the knowledge we now posess***
Now-like i’ve said before-(and many have well and truly noticed)- its the lows- and subsequent highs seem to be the trademark of progesterone useage-
Those of you that have endured the lows- which vary in duration seem to have came out stronger than before. I hope this remains clear to everyone that this is EXACTLY what happened to me- i was on some days, dying to throw in the towel and declare it was making me worse. Obviously- glad i didn’t
I would also like to like to advocate one other thing- that i noticed was put forward by wolverine:
“You have to think about the fact, that what is helping normal people is not helping us!”
This makes a whole lot of sense to me- for more reasons than one. Taking progesterone was by many standards an unorthodox move- especially given some people’s tested levels of progesterone was already high; and We clearly can only hypothesis about why this is helping. However, it stands to reason (whilst i can’t put forward a study to back it) that any given hormonal, neuro-transmitter etc alterating routines that were applied to an individual who has NOT taken finasteride, may not exhibit different effects than if it were applied to one of us.
Something to keep in mind i think when rationalising your approach.
Keep fighting the good fight gentlemen- hate to sound all corny and patriotic but THIS IS BEATABLE.
Ps: As a brief update. I feel very much well and normal - libido infused- quick witted- slightly emotionally charged (not depressed mind you), have a VERY healthy baby boy due in a weeks time , and losing my hair ahaha- but all things considered- who gives a #@$%.
All the best
Great to read this success.
I have one question I am about 3 weeks off quitting Finasteride (I was on it for just over 3 years)
I’m currently in the initial crash, do you think it would be best to wait to a period where I feel at least baseline?
I’m not sure what to do right now.
Thanks
Joe
Thanks for your update light at the end!
It would be great if you could write how long you’ve been off of your PFS-treatment in each update.
How long have you’ve been of it now?
I’ve used progesterone for two weeks and been off of it for 5 days and are seeing some improvements in erections. I also have quit taking large amounts of MSM recently as I read it lowers your nitric oxide, so I’m not sure what is helping me.
I think he stopped in November or December.
Thanks