Florindo, thanks for your thoughts… however, what you are proposing is a theory/opinion as you have not provided supporting scientific articles to back the concepts in your post. If you are going to construct such arguments and present them as definitive statements, you should provide supporting scientific papers that prove such concepts are plausible/possible. Cheers.
Is there any brand of progesterone cream you would recommend or are they all much the same ?
I was wondering the same thing. When I search for Biovea progesterone cream I come up with Biovea’s site, which lists these two.
One for women: biovea.com/us/product_detail … O5Z_29QV8E
And one for men: biovea.com/us/product_detail … O5aAm9QV8E
They seem to have different ingredients, but I’m not sure what difference that makes. Like if one is more potent or something.
I am using a “standard” progesterone cream, maybe for women. Don´t know if there is a difference. But there are sources in the internet about progesterone - man produce it, too. That is something we should ask light at the end. He is the man. Hope he is not a fake. But I personally feel a huge difference, after using progesterone. I did buy it months ago - one of the first thing I wanted to try - but it didn´t use it because I wanted to try other things (dexa). But I have a noticable sleeping problem again - that is strange… I needed to concentrate a lot about strange phantasy things to fall asleep. Nowadays I lay down and think about work and life and past and future. But that is just normal, or isn´t it?
Can some one explain how progesterone can potentially help treat PFS? I’ve read so many different things on it that seem so contradictory to what we’re trying to accomplish. Some sites say it reduces T, some say it is a precursor to the production of T. Some sites say it treats prostate issues, similar to the way Fin works.
Also, if it does help, is it a lifetime treatment like TRT? Does using it synthetically shut down any natural production? Do our nads shrink if we use it? Just trying to make sense of things.
estrogen dominance… progesterone combat this.
Saying it short, the rationale behind this is that, since it is known that pfs sufferers have low allopregnanolone and THDOC primarly (there is a diagram somwhere showing this, tough consider it confirmed by second had info too), progesterone is a precursor to them. Also progesterone should “fight” estrogen dominance. It is possible that by increasing the important allopregnanolone, our nervous system can restart somehow, because allopregnanolone along with progesterone increases nerve health and neural plasticity, thought to be one cause, if not the primary cause of pfs. Then also allopregnanolone and progesterone play major roles in the nervous system that are being decifered in time. It is obviously a try because other neurosteroids apparently are lower than normal unfortunately. It shouldn’t harm in low doses.
PS-Testosterone is not really the only matter here. One should consider balancing the hormones during or after treatment with progesterone I think. And one should also consider taking an analysis for serum progesterone and 3A-diol-G before starting the treatment. IMHO obviously.
furthermore, the theory goes, and i believe this. There is a shift in the ratio of progesterone to estrogen in the brain…The body attempts to produce more progesterone to offset the perceived shortage or perhaps inability to synthesize it properly. Adrenal glands are over working producing too much cortisol…cortisol give us the thin arms and lower legs (pseudo cushings) while estrogen dominance…well dominates the body.
how to aply the progesterone cream? where
A blood test shows that I have a high-normal level of my own progesterone.
For me, the effects of exogenous progesterone are the lack of libido and inability to ejaculate.
Progesterone is used for chemical castration.
I do not think it can help me 
Probably giving low dose won’t hurt. But clearly, do you have a read for your 3A-Diol-G? maybe you have low 5AR2 or 3HSD activity. If it is in normal range then I don’t know. I wouldn’t take P without those reads. What drug did you took? None? 
they use progestin for chemical castration,very high doses of it…you re only using a small amount of a natural progesterone.
Life-flo Progesterone Cream contains Saw Palmetto its probably best to stay away from that brand.
any ideas how to measure 5mg of the stuff out??? it says on the biovea progesterone cream that one dose is 20mg,i assume thats one pump??? its not very clear…
Robbo, I had the same exact question.
At the moment I am assuming 1/4 of each pump which is kind of wasteful since I do not know how fast it deteriotes once pumped from the bottle.
Light or anyone else can you tell us how you determined your 5 mg and 2.5 mg dose?
hi guys,
Apologies for the lapse in responses…
Just to clear up dosing- i used half a pump- smeared over a large an area as possible.
(i tried to allow for any issues with absorption and deterioration- hence the rational for a half pump= approx 5-10mg)
YES THIS IS NOT AN EXACT MEASUREMENT lol
Once again stressing this took time- and i went through ups and downs before leveling out to be normal again- but it worked for me 
Biovea progesterone cream is the one i used.
And BTW all is well very on my part- with pretty much all aspects now well within what i consider to be normal- i’m getting alot more hair on my chest now lol ( late onset of puberty some say), i am also finding that i can sustain and build lean muscle mass FAR more easy now, which i’m assuming to be the increased/ normalised anabolic function of T/DHT.
A friend of mine suggested we get on a cycle of Anavar - which to those of you who don’t know is a DHT derivative, i pretty much backhanded him. NEVER AGAIN am i messing with my endocrine system
Interesting note that i’d thought i’d share just incase it mirrors anyone elses experience- i was out on the town the other night, (please don’t think i’m advocating this in ANY WAY AT ALL BTW), a mate conned me into having some MDMA- and holly crap… whilst i consider my libido to be relatively normal all things considered- it completely shot through the roof- like seriously- i honestly had to rush back to my girls house to settle myself. Personally- i think this was by far the most intense “urge” i’ve ever had- sensitivity and orgasm was also ridiculously enhanced. (pardon the graphic description)
Now once again NOT SUGGESTING ANYONE DO THIS to trial- however, assuming it actually was MDMA- all other things being equal- does this at all give any weighting to the neuro-steriod/neurotransmitter theory? Taking for granted of course MDMA’s target neurotransmitters- serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine- with serotonin thought to be the most potently affected… My understanding is that there is a scientific correlation between increased serotonin and higher levels of some neurosteriods?- (i do recall skimming a journal in psychopharmacology that outlined this)
Just thought it was worth mentioning.
All the best guys.
- Then again, there could have been ALOT of things that would’ve brought about that insane spike in libido- so upon reflection, perhaps that wasn’t the most insightful experience to post LOL
I wouldn’t recommend MDMA to anyone recovering from Fin. While it’s an awesome drug, it takes a heavy toll on your body and depletes your serotonin. Depending on the person, the comedown can be pretty harsh as well. You had a positive experience because you’re totally fine now. I don’t think it would work out quite the same for those still with serious hormonal issues, etc. You want your body to be in the best shape possible to recover as quickly as possible from this shit.
Thanks for updating, though. Glad to hear you’re still doing ok. Would you say you’re 100% pre-fin?
Like i said, completely agree its a bad idea- however, i’m curious if anyone had a similar experience who is still well within the confines of PFS- just as a relative point of interest.
I do recall back in my hoon days (pre-finasteride) doing that drug a couple of times, NEVER with that kind of response- quite the opposite from a libido perspective.
Regardless- any update/experience adds to the jigsaw puzzle
And i’d say as completely recovered as i’m going to get
Only complaint as i stated earlier is hairloss- and occasional sleep disturbances, though i honestly can’t rule out other factors that influence that.