it’s like rubbing estrogen into yourself.
Actually, progesterone antagonizes estrogen.
I usually rub it on at night. I was getting ready to go to the gym this morning. I decided to see what happens if I rubbed some on in the morning. My day went downhill. Lost my pump to go to the gym and felt very depressed and tired. Will not continue using the progesterone.
Gonna limit my supplements to just basic vitamins, vitamin d, fish oil, creatine. Gonna quit the test booster also. Been feeling worse lately.
Interesting studies.
So the idea of progesterone treatment is that you feel better on them or once you stop the cycle?
Gents it has been a long time since I’ve been on this forum. A lot of positive shit has happened in my life since my recovery earlier this year / late last year.
To recap my recovery:
Just throw a whole stack of supplements which do good for your body like I did for 6 months with breaks in-between, lift weights and do cardio (don’t overdo it though) and eat healthy and stop stressing!
I used the following supplements per day: Vitamin D 5000iu, Calcium-Magnesium-Zinc at 1000mg, Triple Boron at 9mg, CoQ10 150mg, Omega3 Fish Oil 1200mg and a Multi-tude of Test Boosters which I’d cycle on and off and natural Estrogen blockers also cycled on-off (just google it you’ll figure it out or msg me for details).
I used the following medications / semi-meds: Clomid 25mg day, Tamoxifen 20mg day, Pregnenolone Cream (recommended dose from Biovea), Pregnenolone caps 50mg day, Progesterone Cream (recommended dose from Biovea).
Did this for 6 months with minimal breaks here and there, ate well and trained light but consistently and most importantly, got my stress under control which brought my cortisol down considerably (A MASSIVE FACTOR TO A SUCCESSFUL RECOVERY).
I can safely say I am %95 recovered, whatever that actually means. To me it means the ability to have sex or jerk off whenever I want 3-4 times a day with no performance anxiety and that’s exactly where I am. I am no longer any supplements or medication by the way, i’m talking cured %95.
Another important thing is DO NOT listen to all the naysayers and negative c***** out there. (to be frank none of us have any idea what this is so who gives a sh*t what they say anyway) i.e. do not be discouraged in deviating from your program from ANYONE either on here on in the real world.
Stay positive, keep fighting and much respect to the likes of guys like ‘light at the end’ who lead the way broadly.
Peace out!
Beekay 
one more thing… stop testing your sh*t out all the time! whilst on the protocol look for signs of random erections, consistent morning wood… whilst in a depressed and stressed high cortisol environment, regardless if you’ve got PFS or whatever we’re calling it, sexual function does not operate effectively anyway, let alone in a state left by PFS. Limit testing to twice maybe 3 times a week and don’t hang your head in shame if you fail once in a while to get it working. Slow and steady progress is key! Also focus on something else besides your issues… find something else whilst you are on your protocol. Believe it or not I am now a certified Java Programmer. I decided whilsts on my program to do something very positive and forward looking to keep my mind off this shit and keep myself grounded in something besides my libido, penis and nuts. So I decided to take up a lost art from my younger years in object oriented programming.
Life is too short man. They say you have never lived until you have died. Consider this the death of one chapter of your life and your recovery your rebirth into something stronger. That is the mindset I had during my recovery protocol, the idea of which came from Eckhart Tolle’s - The Power of Now.
Just my 2 cents…
Watch, listed and execute! watch this clip from the mighty Joe Rogan everyday, every morning… until cured! worked for me.
beekay…
thank you so much for your motivating post.
one question: what would you say was the most important component of your recovery? was it the progesterone cream?
i try progesterone cream since 2 weeks: 2 weeks on, 4 days off (now i’m my 3rd “off-day”, will start creaming on wednesday). the result at the moment is that my penis feels more numb then before. no libido, no erections possible. sometimes something like a nocturnal erection. thats all.
I have PFS since 2005.
No multi vit, no progest cream, no vit D etc, right?
how long have you been off of every thing? weeks or days?
Beekay
Good news, congrats. We all ask you to come back at least once a month over the next 3 months, and once a year after thereafter, take five minutes to write a quick update and i am sure you know how much we will appreciate.
Having said that, your personal thread has tons about your HCG experience and you seemed convinced it was helping. You did not mention that above…
numbduck: The HCG whilst I was on it was working… off it… not so much… I do not believe HCG contributed to my recovery… plus it is unsustainable over the long term in terms of cost, maintenance etc…
daddel: so hard to point at one thing… they all helped out in their own way. i’d say progesterone was definitely important as well as the pregnenolone. Tamox and Clomid definitely and Vitamin D no doubt that. The others like boron, cal-mag-zinc and test boosters also contributed. Very hard to point at one thing with so many things in my system at the same time.
spstriken: i’ve been off everything since mid-late february so approx 6 months now with nothing.
hope this helps gents.
Beekay
Progesterone leads to more allopregnanolone which in turn creates new neurons in substantia nigra journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/ … .00224/pdf
This can be the reason behind this ezperiment success for some
Gues ill try it again.
Some random thoughts. Please don’t attack me if you don’t agree, I leave the board for long spurts because of the stressful infighting…
Seems worth reposting: 2007-era progesterone, Edge Effect book, Adrenal Fatigue forum postings…
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maybe what disparate recoveries had in common were: rest/recuperation / stress avoidance / detox-purging of estrogens, toxins, etc. which restored body’s ability to produce GABA/neurosteroids, etc…and that’s why this thing can be attacked from multiple angles.
After finishing this thread, I’m surprised people are purchasing the progesterone formulations filled with gunk. Read the ingredients on your product – it’s not just the Saw Palmetto or Nettle root in the male progesterone cream formulations that could be counterproductive. Why not purchase progesterone oil (no need for emulsifier filler) like Progest-E (product name, google it)?
For those doing cdnuts’ protocol, the more one digs into his history, one sees that he did a LOT of cleansing (fasting, juicing) and took DIM/quercetin and had gains…BEFORE he tried DHT pro hormones and rebuilding and exercise.
Adrenal burnout (stress / hitting the cortisol button) being the overarching theme in this neurosteroid and hormone production line of thinking…I question the wisdom of excessive exercise and skipping breakfast (the carb backloading aspect of cdnuts’ recovery) until one has sufficient restful sleep and energy. I’m talking from experience here, in trying to institute best practices across the board, taking the best of IHP, Chi, cdnuts, LATE, etc…None of their tactics need to be viewed as being mutually exclusive. I made some sexual gains on nystatin, I took a step back while on cdnuts’ program…was it the androhard/androgens/HPTA suppression? The MCT oil? Overall too much exercise and adrenaline burning in the breakfast-less mornings? While not sleeping enough? all of the above?
This is most scattered than my old posts, quite frankly, I don’t care to stay on this board any longer than I have to, lol, but hopefully some of the ideas are helpful to those with open minds and proactive attitudes.
Another thing: cdnuts told me to do meditation…serious meditation. He used a product called Holosync. google it.
A lot of these ideas seem to come together (rest, sleep, purge, cleanse, relax, eat clean, target the right hormonal support such as natural T-booster rotation, natural anti-E).
Another random thought: aspirin, good old aspirin (preferably diluted) is touted as an anti-estrogen and antistress agent (thus reducing thyroid demands and acting as a sort of proxy for thyroid hormone). And vitamin A (liver or cod liver oil, try Blue Ice Fermented CLO as the only non-synthetic vitamin version w/ proper A:D ratio) combines with cholesterol under the direction of the thyroid to produce pregnanolone – the precursor to all these wonderful hormones. This is according to the gospel of Ray Peat. A quirky guy whose program I tried and failed on, but who nevertheless has some interesting things to say about estrogen, progesterone, etc.
Finally, in the spirit of progesterone/sleep — if you have sleep problems, try to get an OVERNIGHT sleep lab study done and rule out obstructive sleep apnea. Some % of you guys must have it. So tackling GABA and other stuff may only be half the problem. Fin is the ultimate stressor, just look at how many studies use it to destroy health, to induce oxidative stress, blast progesterone, etc, etc. But removing all resultant stressors and issues seems wise.
Again, sorry for the rambling and disorganization. Hope some of this resonates. I’m speaking from a lot of trial and error, and revisiting notes and variables from when things were better, when things tanked – don’t be dogmatic, address all areas, combine the best of all protocols. And share, and be positive!
I think an important fact regarding cdnuts and carb back-loading that has slipped through the cracks is that cdnuts was not doing carb back-loading while trying to recover.
While he does recommend it, like Xhorndog, I do have some doubts about whether it’s a wise idea for us.
Are u saying that when u watch porn u only get a light semi erection?? If u stood up would ure dick be sticking straight out??
Xhorndog- amazing post! I actually have been feeling the EXACT same way recently. All mostr everyone who has recovered had followed a similar mind belief and positivity. Read chi and cd nuts first posts, they felt they were going to recover, that alone take away a huge amount of stress. Everything from our condition suggests adrenal burnout, from the skinny legs, red or moon face, trouble sleeping, low body temp etc.
I have noticed that when I am relaxed and feel better, my gains are so much better. When I am stressed or working hard I revert back. I worked the past 4 days like animal, I was exhausted on my feet each day etc. it’s crazy but I had 4 really bad sexual functioning days, low libidio, lack of nightime erections etc, even my face and skin have been more dry than usual, or I should say more dry than the usual PFS dry skin.
Excellent excellent excellent post Xhorndog.
Yes I believe this too… if u put negative thoughts away and say u will recover and believe it u do get better over time… Which is good…and when u relieve stress ure symptoms do improve
I thought this thread was about people who are using progesterone.