Progesterone treatment?

Therapeutic Efforts Pharmaceutical
#561

Week 13 Update - Here are my results from a 7 day off period of all supplements / vitamins and progesterone / prami. Friday (2nd day off) I felt like I got hit by a mack truck the entire this, this was probably a combination of drinking way to much Thursday night and being off progesterone. Urinary symptoms did come back a little, but I didn’t have the “OMG I’m going to pee my pants” feeling, just let go of a lot of fluids the past week. As of Monday I’ve had 4 or 5 pimples on my face and a few small ones on my chest, and one on the back of my right leg. I’m not sure what the leg one is about, this does confirm my theory that this protocol does a great job of balancing estrogen. The worst side effect I experienced happened yesterday (Wednesday), my wife and I were doing some early morning bedroom exercises and after about five minutes, I could no longer hold an erection. I haven’t experienced this is probably 6 months. I’ve had trouble getting erections but never a problem with maintaining them. This was disappointing, but we moved onto other business and then went for a double header last night and everything was alright.

Overall this has been the best “off period” I’ve had so far which gives me hope that someday I’ll be able to stop and the good effects will stay. I’m going to modify the protocol a little bit by dropping the DIM and reducing prami use to every other day (EOD). It’s also (as I look outside and see snow and ice) the start of cycling season so I will be doing more cardio obviously, but also adding in weight lifting 2 times per week. I’m also only going to check this forum once a week, I’ve found not visiting (even though it’s a great place to go for knowledge and support) while on a protocol allows me to think about and accomplish other things. I’ll still respond to PMs but otherwise I’ll just be around on Thursdays.

Glad to see others are seeing some relief and success as well. Who would have thought a PMS / menopause symptom reducer would help us too…

#562

Anyone felt improvements in depression and insomnia with this?

#563

If this holds I will report back, since my massive induced progesterone crash, I have full sensitivity, am and morning erections, even some nights I can’t sleep unless I masturbate, I’m that horny. My penis is larger, ejaculations are almost normal, skin and face much less dry and red, full conectivity to flirting and sexual aspects. Keep stimulating the estrogen receptors!!

#564

Finatruth, that’s great news, thanks for the update.

What were your symptoms? Did you have full ED?

#565

I just wanted to add my experience with progesterone. I have been on this protocol for nearly one month I am now on my second 4 day off period. In the beginning I was all over the place with moods, mini crashes some days felt like quitting but I have stuck with it and my moods although not great have seemed to level out. I have been having morning erections not rock hard but before I had none, I even had a study done at the hospital where they tested my nocturnal and they were like non existent. My pubic hair has grown back thicker and less grey. The really noticeable thing is I had these protruding veins on my scrotum that would sometimes bleed profusely, started with one when I first started to take fin then I had about 5 really red, since progesterone they have almost disappeared just slight marks now, to me that is showing something positive is going on.
My penis and scrotum feels like it has it’s old texture back. Hair is starting to itch, roll on DHT…yes. Sleep improved, dreaming again, sensitivity, libido and erections getting slightly better but a ways to go on those, brain fog has lifted and come back but better each time.
Overall I will stick with this for as long as it takes, I think it may take longer for me I was on the drug for nine years, now 5 years with PFS, so I prob did allot of damage plus I’m older. This is the only thing that I can say gives me hope, and I have tried everything going. If your going to try this just stick with it, sometimes you feel rough as fuck but I pushed through it and I can now see a light. I am so glad that Light posted this and it works, I don’t know why or care I just want to be normal again, and I will be, I feel it.

#566

Definite improvement in depression and insomnia. In fact I think those are the two symptoms that have improved the most on prog. Just not too much in the way of nocturnal and morning wood, and while dreams have been pretty lucid and sometimes bizarre, no erotic dreams…Its like they’ve just been deleted.

#567

Finatruth I don’t understand very well how many cycles of 5 days taking progesterone cream did you do? Just one or two?

What do you feel while on it that makes you think that it is increasing the estrogen activity?
The numbness on your penis or do you have more things to tell us? Like growing fat, man boobs, prostate increasing, bladder problems like dificult to urinate etc.

If you feel the increase of estrogen why don’t you take DIM like Elb did each week.

Other thing I don’t understand in your posts is that you also drank too much alcohol do you think the alcohol or the progesterone made you feel better? I mean which one.

I’m thinking about using it too. I’ve tried almost everything I don’t think using selegline is good to recover but I do think using vitamins can be good also DIM or maybe a very little dosage of arimidex. I hope this can help me.

#568

youtube.com/watch?feature=p … ooQ#t=1139

I’ve read this mans book and watched (listened) to this audio, very informative. Here’s a link to at 19 minutes he explains how having too much estrogen down -egulates the estrogen receptors, and progesterone resolves this over time. This Dr. speaking is as close to the father of progesterone as there could be.

#569

Week 14- The week off definitely did a lot of good. The first night I went back on I slept through the entire night and had very vivid (non sexual) dreams, i did wake up with an erection. This has remained constant the entire week, I haven’t had any sexual dreams, but rather very vivid dreams / simulations of what I’ve been doing during the day. I had one dream that was all about applying for a credit card, very odd. Physically I feel very good, I’ve noticed that my weight has started to increase even though I’m not eating much and am actually exercising more, not sure if this is a side effect of being off for a week, weather or what. I think taking the necessary off periods are the key to this protocol after my recent experience, while they definitely suck (for me at least) they help some how. Urinary symptoms have been under control all week, even Saturday night while consuming beer I was able to have about 4 before the urge set in.

Thanks to everyone for posting their experiences, good to have company.

#570

So I had my phone interview with Irwin Goldstein, and he was surprised about the progesterone protocol, and warned me that progesterone levels should be very low in men. Now I’m pretty nervous about having started this protocol. I’m going to schedule an appointment with him for sometime in the next month, but I think after that conversation I’m going to stop the protocol for now. Although my sexual sides haven’t changed, it seems like my cognitive/mood has improved quite a bit. I had high hopes for this protocol. Damn.

#571

I respect The Dr. but in a honesty doctors are the reason we are where we are. In an ideal state progesterone should be low because it adequately opposes estrogen. In our case I doubt that is happening. I’d suggest staying on the protocol unless you start seeing side effects, especially since your seeing results.

#572

HypoCyclist…I really appreciate your responses. Thanks a million. The protocol does seem to be helping in a very objective way (don’t think this is placebo effect), so I want to keep going. I’m in my second 4 day break. This protocol is the only thing that gives me hope.

#573

Tell dr Irwig that insane syndroms may need insane treatment approaches. Also, that the only thing that he should be surprised of is how on earth a single pill of fin can make your body function at a reduced rate permantly. Thats all he should be concerned of if he wants to help.

#574

how does it oppose estrogen? it acts competitively with androgens, if anything it amplifies estrogen.

#575

anyone keeping track of how many have recovered (or improved markedly) on progesterone, and how many have tried it on this thread?

#576

Light at the end: I sent you an email…

#577

Saw this on the Mercola Site. Summary: Put progesterone yo butt-hole

articles.mercola.com/sites/artic … tions.aspx

#578

I don’t remember which members it was exactly, but as I read through I counted about 5 or 6, which is pretty remarkable

#579

Hey guys,
I’m at the end of my second 4 day off period (so I’ve been on protocol for about a month). At first, I mainly saw benefits in cognition and motivation (with work, socially, and in general much more upbeat). I also began to sleep better, had better dreams, and last night even a sort of erotic dream w/ morning erection. These improvements alone have been incredible, because when this first all happened I wasn’t sure if I could go on (like many on this site have described). But after the mental side effects got better, I had hope for the first time that I could be normal again.

My main stumbling block recently has been lack of libido, good, solid erections, sensitivity, and it takes me a while to finally ejaculate. This may be all placebo, but I don’t know…today I had a really solid erection, and these have been improving over the last several weeks. Previously I would loose and gain an erection several times while masturbating, but it just seems to be maintaining itself now to the point where I feel like I could be having sex. And the ejaculations are very powerful (I realize how horrible the fin had made my orgasms).

The main issues still are sensitivity, and taking a long while to finally get the orgasm, although its now definitely worth it at the end.

So, although the progress is incredibly slow (grass growing), and it is a huge roller coaster (I didn’t fully understand what other people meant by that until now that I’m looking back on my last month), I thing things are definitely on the right direction toward improvement (both mental and sexual).

I hope to heaven this lasts, just wanted to let everyone know that despite Dr. G’s warnings (I’m still not sure if I should go see him or not), I really think this is working somehow or else I wouldn’t have written this post (by nature I’m kinda pessimistic). I’ll let you guys know if this lasts after the next cycle or next month.

Sorry for the long message!

#580

Great news, thanks for the update, I’m really pleased for you. (Although I never thought I’d be so happy to read about someone else’s erections and libido on an interim forum!) Please do keep us posted.