By the way, finasteride is proven to raise testosterone by lowering DHT. Testosterone is a secondary victim in this, some victimized others lab ranges indicated they were not
wouldn’t it be safer to test the saliva level of progesterone before starting this protocol? I’m going to take the test of ZRT labs
Who has high free testosterone? Most on here have normal to high total testosterone, but absymal free testosterone. Of the few with healthy free testosterone levels, their complaints are of the side-effects besides sexual dysfunction.
But thats besides the point, the study you posted demonstrated progesterone inhibits LH and FSH. Even if you don’t consider than an issue, why is it good? How is that of any benefit? Progesterone has a neuroprotective role, but that has nothing to do with libido or reactivating androgens.
I don’t want to argue, I just want to understand your logic. I’ve looked through your posts and I’ve seen no line of reasoning that theorizes how this could help people. I’m open to the possibility, I’m interested in trying it myself, and if people have claimed to recovered from its use then thats great. But aside from that I don’t see how anyone can be utterly convinced of it’s benefits.
It’s not necessary to understand how progesterone is curing people in order for it to work, either it works or it doesn’t… and it seems to be working for people who are following the protocol (so far). The people I see it not working for are the ones who took it for a few days and stopped or took it for two weeks and stopped and then didn’t get back on etc because they “felt bad” even though the person cured from this clearly stated that they felt so bad at times they were about to throw the towel in.
Respectfully to those who it didn’t work for- it’s not very scientific to perform a protocol incorrectly and then claim it makes you worse. It’s also not scientific to say it’s a cure when we have so few data points so I think everyone should just keep an open mind and let’s see how it pans out for people who are correctly following the protocol.
Well put Brainfogboy- also, I never said for sure it will help, I think our problem lies in the progesterone receptor itself. Btw- took 10 mg yesterday, actually slept 7.5 hours, lower sex drive, no bloating , penis marketedly larger all day today. Will continue. Everytime I have had a diminished sex drive, I bounce back higher
I’m waiting to find a reliable source of drepenyl (pm’ed light to find his source) so I can duplicate “lights” protocol and will start as soon as I get everything. Looking forward to reading everyone’s log and I’ll create one too and will be as detailed and honest as possible - don’t want to mislead anyone.
But would supplementing progesterone sensitize the receptor or desensitize it? You would normally assume the latter.
Look I’m not attacking you, but there was a tone in your post that suggested it was an obvious solution, when there is little logic to support that.
However despite this it’s clearly aided people and is worth discussion. I’ve started it myself last week simply because experimenting is better than doing nothing. Haven’t noticed anything positive or adverse so far.
BrongFogGuy,
Check out some of the research chemical sites, i’ve found it before quite easily, you might have to search for it’s generic name though.
Hi guys, this is an article that says that, if not applied correctly and the hormonal levels are monitored, progesterone cream may disrupt other hormones such as DHEA and Testosterone, due to accumulation in the fat tissue:
articles.mercola.com/sites/artic … tions.aspx
this is an interesting video on prog, it advises not to take it rectally:
youtube.com/watch?v=BkGomaRGAXs#t=262
It seems to me that this self-prescribed, self-diagnosed protocol must be taken with caution, I want to try progesterone cream too, but I think it’s better to have my level tested before using this.
Hi guys-
Wasn’t going to say anything- as you guys seem to be on a decent track with most of your bases covered.
elijah- I came across this too some time ago- i did consult my endo regarding this, and she advised me that (Not that you wouldn’t reach this conclusion by general logic) simply applying it areas of your body without large deposits of fat mitigates this substantially.
Absolutely wrapped this protocol and slight variations of it are helping some people guys.
And for those of you advocating sticking to the protocol and giving it a fair run despite the mini-crash effect- i commend you, as you owe it to yourself to give this a fair go before its dismissed as ineffective. The progesterone and progesterone receptor DOES play a crucial role here, though it continues to be one of speculation for the time being.
For those that are interested- I’m healthy as a horse, My son who was concieved after just after finasteride ceasation is incredibly healthy/happy and a true little bloke- hes manly as all hell already quite frankly. I appear putting on muscle/upping my strength quite easily given my sporadic gym sessions, and well on my way gunning my degree free any and all brain fog. (A sure sign the mental and physical damage of finasteride CAN be reversed). Light at the end in its most literal sense.
All the best guys- keep up the good fight
I agree it’s pretty scare to try out a hormone that has traditionally been reserved for women with PMS, trying to get pregnant or trying to ward off menopause symptoms. However it’s been horrendously under studied in men, looking at a lot of the prostate research it points to progesterone as one of the mitigating factors in BPH, urinary symptoms and erectial quality (I believe it was Wray on this site progesteronetherapy.com/man- … z2qtS8NK4k, who posted some interesting studies) and that’s what led me to finally take the fairly cheap plunge and give it a shot. I do think having an AI or other estrogen control product and some type of prolactin reducer / dopamine enhancer is the key to minimizing the femenizing side effects. I’ll give a quick mid-week update.
Friday afternoon I had tons of energy, went running outside for about 3 miles, and probably could have run more, wasn’t tired at all. That evening had one of the best erections and subsequent orgasms in a long time (could have been from the prami) then Saturday felt great all day, had a few drinks and didn’t experience the normal beer bladder I normally do. Today, felt good and motivated upon waking, but felt lethargic around 11-1, I’ve felt good the rest of the day (besides having to listen to Joe and Troy broadcast a game featuring Colin Kaepernick). I’m sure I’ll have some down days on this, but I’m going to stick it out at least 90 days and then make a decision to continue or not.
Hey Light, do you remember the specific areas you put the cream on?
The initial crash on Progesterone may be explained by an initial re-sensitization of the estrogen receptors. Some websites claim this is what happens, although I have to admit this is not truly information backed up by scientific research:
yourlifesource.com/estrogen-receptors.htm
progesteronetherapy.com/three-questions.html
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- Symptoms of Estrogen Dominance
For a week or two after first starting progesterone, some women report paradoxical estrogen dominance symptoms.In the initial application, it is common for those who have been deficient in progesterone for years to experience some headaches, water retention, and swollen breasts.
These symptoms of estrogen dominance are common because the estrogen receptors are being re-sensitized by the progesterone. This “coming alive” of progesterone is exhibited in the initial stages of progesterone application.
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honestly, i wish everyone the best of luck with this but personally I think my symptoms are characteristic of excessive rather than deficient progesterone now.
I’ve read that progesterone inhibits DHT…does anyone know how this plays into this?
could it explain why i have more hairloss after i got pfs, than before pfs? ( i used propecia only for 1.5 month)
Thought I would give an update on my use. 5-10 mg progesterone 5 nights now. I was actually doing well before the use, but gave it a shot. Took a huge step backwards a few days ago, lack of libido, penis numb, etc. in fact there was a point where I couldn’t really get an erection which was almost similar to the few months following my crash. I was ready to throw in the towel a few days ago…BUT…today has been unbelievable, sexual thoughts, strong erection, I even masturbated 4 times today. This syndrome is so weird. I feel like it’s trying to restart the receptors. I’m gonna absolutely continue with this treatment. One more thing to add, two things that were improving but seem to have gotten immensely better with progesterone in just a few days is digestive problems and bloating. In fact, the other day I had a bowel movement that actually was large and I had to push a little, that definitely has not happened in 1.5 years I can tell you that absolutely. Sorry to be graphic but I had had mostly loose stools for the last two years, this is significant. Finally, one other thing. I was in a room where my hands usually get cold in a certain temperature, and guess what? You got it, the didn’t get cold. Bloating, digestive issues, cold hands all seem to be symptoms of thyroid, which can be affective by unopposed estrogen. Perhaps it is reducing the estrogen, thus leading to an uptick in metabolism and thyroid function. The I interesting thing about thyroid function is that it can be supressed by estrogen dominance yet it won’t affect your thyroid numbers. Obviously this is just a guess of what could be going on. Can’t wait to apply some more tonight!
thanks for update. did you happen to monitor where you apply the cream in relation to how you feel? Maybe some areas absorb more/better than others which leads to feeling better? Just a thought.
Are you on any other supplements? Still waiting on my cream…
I know it shouldn’t be relevant anymore but … since I started with fishoil (4 months ago) my hairloss has decreased to 50% of what it was before … and since adding progesterone it has even further decreased to like 30%. My hair has also become thicker but so far I can only credit that to the fishoil. After dropping fin my hairloss had increased to a state even more severe than before fin.
how much fishoil do you take?