elb how long ate you oon this regime? did you stop it now?
how much do you think you recover from it?
After reading thoroughly this thread i noticed something that nobody mentioned. All people who tried progesterone report that they had a bounce back effect, they got initially worse before getting better.
It appears that progesterone has a negative impact on 5ar2 and it mostly converts to estrogen.
One thing that crosses my mind after reading these stories is that progesterone might not be the reason why they got better, in contrary the negative effects which shocked their system,resulting in a better function after rebound, is likely the case. It might be that if you force your system into a mini crash, resulting brain fog, lower libido,depression, like all these people mention, then it will get back stronger by triggering your system to fight back and make a step towards better homeostasis. Fron personal experience, every mini crash i had was less severe that the one before.
I also read about people who got really bad and developped new symptoms. It might be that they fail to attain better homeostasis as their bodies for whatever reason cannot adjust. I have been reading all the posts about progesterone in this forum, and i still cannot decide if i will give it a try or not. I have high levels of cortisol, above range progesterone and sky high 17-0H progesterone. Perhaps exogenous progesterone could slow down my adrenals and protect them from exhaustion, or it could have a negative impact as i already have high levels.
We will likely never know the true mechanisms so for me it’s pointless trying to work out the science. It’s all a lot more complicated than we’ll ever understand. The only true gauge is how YOU feel.
I have been on progesterone for about 5 weeks with continued ups and downs. I have moments of complete clarity which come and go. These moments of clarity result in complete return of emotions, no brain fog, penis returns to normal full size, perfect sleep etc etc basically EVERYTHING returns to normal. It will then fade away before coming back again which cdnuts states ‘is to be expected’.
I would highly recommend this protocol to everyone. During the past year I have seen NO improvements before progesterone. As soon as I started taking progesterone I saw drastic and REAL improvements within days. This shit really works unlike anything else I’ve tried and there has been a lot of things I’ve tried including GHB, raw food for months, strict exercise etc etc
What brand of progesterone cream are you using?
elb,how much per day are you using???,how are you applying it???,have you had any hair shedding from it???..when i first tried it at 5mg per day my mind became clear and sharp almost straight away and it lasted around two weeks before it fucked me up…
hi everyone, especially those who have tried this protocol or a modified version of it. I am myself about to give this a go, deprenyl, pregnenolone, progesterone and all. haven’t figured out yet whether i’ll begin cycling them all in at once or exactly how i’ll do it, but i’m going to begin as soon as my supplements all arrive, fingers crossed. i’ll keep you all updated.
btw - my main side effects are mental, but gradually over the last month i have noticed a lot more sexual side effects popping up which is very disappointing ie - low libido, loss of morning wood. ejaculate is slightly watery but mostly fine and i’ve tried to abstain from masturbating at all. but yeah, mostly moderate to severe range of mental side effects (brain fog, memory loss, EMOTIONAL BLUNTING which is probably the worst, etc).
Just putting this out there, but recently I did a 2ish week run of Progesterone cream. As the days went on I felt more and more depressed and anxious until I decided to give it a rest for a few days. A few days to a week later I experienced the greatest lift in brain fog and return of my personality since this whole shitstorm started. HOWEVER, I also stopped drinking soda a few days before that, so I dunno how much I can attribute to either thing. I’ve tried not drinking soda before and don’t recall such a dramatic change. I also tried prog earlier in the year and it gave me massive brain fog, which didn’t happen this time. I’ll keep messing around and see what happens. And before anyone asks, no change in sexual sides. If anything I think I lost what little libido I had recovered.
Stop ‘messing around’! What’s the point? It won’t get you anywhere.
Follow the protocol - 2 weeks on, 4 days off for up to 6 months.
Brain fog lifting and personality returning are the first things I noticed on progesterone.
It’s got nothing to do with soda.
Work out, eat clean and do the progesterone protocol for 4 - 6 months.
Stop wasting time !
Combine CDnuts protocol with this one and you should notice drastic improvements within a couple of months.
Yeah, I’m going to keep at it and see what happens. The moments of clarity I’ve had the past few days has been unreal. You really don’t fully grasp how fucked up you are until you have a lucid moment. I thought about adding pregnenolone as well like beekay but it turns into DHEA and mine is already astronomical since Fin.
Also, more info on why progesterone may be helping some people from its wiki entry:
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He’s exactly right. I’ve read many, many, many recovery stories and spoken to recovered people. Every single one mentions the up and down rollercoaster of bad days to good, or 2 steps forward and 1 step back as they say. Keep at it, dude.
I am not bashful, I am very smart, one of the smartest people you can ever meet. I am telling you this, I’m not sure if simple progesterone cream is the answer, but I have absolutely no doubt that progesteone / the progesterone receptor is the root of this whole mess. I also had a massive upswing using it. One day when people look back at my posts they Will say how the hell did this guy know this?
Check out this article, also many references to finasteride in it
i ordered pregnenolone and i will order progesterone, and i am going to try this protocol.
does anyone who tried this got more body hair and more scalp hairloss?
itis also good sign of good days.
great post man, everyone should read this
i got massive hair loss on my scalp and temples from progesterone,peviously hadnt really lost much hair atall since my crash 6 years ago…
How much progesterone?
5mg per day,which was a quarter of a ml if i remember correctly…
Dudes, just got my cream. Excited to see how it goes. Just wondering how and at what part of the day you applied it? Cheers
I am posting my blood results here as they appear before starting supplementing with progesterone. If anyone has any useful comment about them please comment.
testosterone: 4,17 (2,49-8,36)
free testosterone: 9.70 (4.76-24.40)
dhea-s: 202,90 (160-449)
Androstenedione D4 4,90 (0,3-3,4)
Aldosterone: 11,30 (4-31)
igf-1: 305,3 (114-492)
Tsh: 1,870 (0,270-4,900)
E2: 18.80 (<50)
LH: 3,6 (1,4-8,6)
Fsh: 1,4 (1,5-12,4)
DHT: 0,90 (0,25-0,99)
17-OH Progesterone: 38,20 (0,3-3,3)
homocysteine: 6,07 (<20)
Vitamin D 25-OH: 53,81 (30-100)
HGH: 0,10 (0,01-3,00)
3aDiolG: 5,30 (1,53-16)
D Dimer: 0,560 (0-0.5)
I know it mostly looks within range, nevertheless i am experiencing full blown pfs symptoms. My test and free test are very close to last year when i did not use fin. My LH might be induced by the tribulus i use. Generally, my results show that my problem is not hormonal. Every doctor i show these results they say that they are ok and i should not experience such side effects with these values. I also have high cortisol and acth. I am still waiting for the latest results of those thats why i did not post them. The fact that i have high 17OH prog, high acth, high androstenedione, high cortisol shows that my bodies response to all this was to stress the adrenals in some kind of defense reaction. I will start applying prog cream and maybe pregnanolone at 25mg a day, to see if my adrenals calm down.
Any updates from people who have had success with this?
My results are still hit and miss. Progesterone helps with sleep and I have had moments where life feels good again with more spontaneous and harder erections. However if I use it for longer than a week it so my mood starts to drop and fatigue sets in and sexually things worsen. Penis shrinks. That being said in the first week it looked better and seemed more normal.
I have been using 50mg clomid on a weekly basis as well which hasn’t done much of note.
Gonna keep trying one week on and one week off.