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#41

I have tried 10 percent T cream 1 - 2 grams - No help.

Injectable testosterone at many doses - No major changes. Got much worse acne on my back. Sweaty face. No help with libido.

Tried with and without HCG.

With and without proviron.

My test levels went up and so did DHT levels but no improvement in libido.

The only thing that brought back my libido was arimidex 0.1mg E2D after a few days libido came back. But only lasted for a few days. Tried to repeat this experement but no luck in getting my libido back. I would really like to understand what caused the return of my libido and why I am unable to replicate it.

#42

I also tried proviron by itself - did not notice much.

Androhard by itself - nothing.

#43

How did you feel before starting?

ED, depression, low libido, no night/morning wood.

What did you take?

andractim

How long did you take it?

3 months

What did you feel while taking it?

acted like antidepressant, I felt great, all my depression was gone. increased libido.


How did it affect your symptoms?

antidepressant and increased libido.

Did you have any blood tests done before/during/after and if so, what were the results?

before
29/10/2011
testosterone 619 ng/dL (240 - 816)
free testosterone 503.8 pmol/L (131 - 640)
SHBG 29 nmol/L (12 - 75)
LH 4.6 UI/L ( < 9)
FSH 4.5 UI/L ( < 10)
estradiol 3.5 nd/dL (0.8 - 4.3)

after
06/02/2012
testosterone 747 ng/dL (240 - 816)
free testosterone 567.4 pmol/L (131 - 640)
SHBG 35 nmol/L (12 - 75)
LH 6.3 UI/L ( < 9)
FSH 8.3 UI/L ( < 10)
estradiol 2.5 nd/dL (0.8 - 4.3)


Would you take it again? yes

What is your conclusion?

we have a hormonal unbalance.

#44

if you are getting better then why did you stop. Please pm me as this is thread is not for discussion.

#45

I got an PM few weeks ago about Andractim. The user applied it on his forarms and claims huge improvements in libido. Actually he claims to have become man again. He used only for a week I don;t know why he stopped.

#46

wow your profile got better. you proved a lot of theories wrong here. there is agree conception that DHT is very suppressive to your LH and FSH but they improved. your total and free T increased as well. looks like you have resensitised your DHT receptors.
where did you apply your Andractim and how long after stopping Andractimd did you take blood tests. Looks like you are proving Anoymous’s theory correct.
I am very intersted. please tell us if all was going well why did you stop it.

#47

Can you give a link to Anoymous’ theory.

#48

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2262

Note: THIS thread (post your experience with androgen supplementation) is not meant for theoretical discussion. If you wish to discuss the above link, pls do so in that thread.

#49

I wish backfromhell could post more because he seems the only one have positive effects from TRT.
We don’t know how is feeling now.

#50

spstriken,

1/4 dose andractim have no suppressive effect of testosterone. even for months. applied in the thigh, chest and abdomen.

Currently my estradiol remains low (normal). I can only use for about five days, because it begins to show signs of low estradiol, such as pain from the knee joints.

for me, it’s amazing effect on mood. I want to make clear that my libido has not returned to normal pre fin. Only increased.

I found one thing that is helping me, I’ll post my story.

#51

My experience with TRT and hCG was this. I had no sexual symptoms whatsoever throughout three months on fin (mid-Jan through mid-April of 2012), and then four months OFF fin. I experienced my first sexual symptoms 3-4 days after starting TRT (late August), and my libido hasn’t returned since then. Mostly it sits at about 30% of what it used to be.

I was unaware of any other effect (+ or -) from TRT. After three months on it, my blood was drawn and my total T was essentially the same, or lower, than it had been when I started. I interpreted this as the exogenous T suppressing my own production (I had no idea finasteride could be related to any of this), and pushed my doc for hCG.

The first week on hCG was very promising – I felt better in many different ways. But the next week started to go downhill fast – testicular pain, which seemed to reach into the prostate (I hadn’t experienced any of this prior), and my libido went from 30% to nothing. After two days of this, I concluded the experiment was going very wrong and quit. I then entered one of the darkest depressions of my life, with an unusual preoccupation with suicide. Several days later, things were starting to return to a pre-hCG state.

An interesting thing about this is that my nocturnal erections had been low for a long time before TRT, maybe even pre-fin. Since I started TRT, they’ve been good. When I quit TRT, my T levels went up to 460 or so (from 320). I’m not on any TRT/hCG now, and nocturnal erections are still good. It’s almost like nocturnal erections have had a reciprocal relationship with my libido. Anxiety/depression have been pretty continuous.

I’m going to see a PFS doc in a couple weeks who believes hCG is the best treatment for PFS. He says he’s had successes. I intend to probe this very hard before I try hCG again, especially given what Awor posted above.

#52

How did you feel before starting?
A: Pretty blah. Was months after quitting Fin and some recovery had taken place. My recovery had plateaued: libido, energy, motivation were all low but not in crisis.

What did you take?
A: Androgel 5g daily.

How long did you take it?
A: Two months

What did you feel while taking it?
A: Slight improvement but not nearly as much as recovery as my blood tests seemed to indicate. Does this expose problems with the androgen receptors? I would say so.

How did it affect your symptoms?
For the first 1/2 months of treatment recovery, albeit moderate, was observed. Massive remission into full-blown PFS at 2 months into treatment.

1/2 months: Total sleep time increased, though REM sleep and dreams remained absent. Mild increase in libido. Increase in lean muscle and decrease of feminine fat
2 months: PFS returns with a vengeance. Chronic fatigue, insomnia. Impotence, penile fibrosis and loss of genital hair. Everything on this list: propeciahelp.com/symptoms. Worse experience than immediate post-fin era.

Did you have any blood tests done before/during/after and if so, what were the results?

Post fin/pre-TRT:

Total Test: 337 ng/dl
Free Test: 29.1 pmol/L (31 - 94)
Estradiol: 35 pg/mol

1/2 Months on Androgel:

Total Test: 651 ng/dl
Free Test: 69.5 pmol/L (31-94)
Estradiol: 29 pg/mol
*At this point, estrogenizing effects of androgel without AI become apparent and I am removed from TRT cold-turkey. Next several months saw a severe relapse into PFS hell.

Would you take it again?
A: I don’t see as how I really have a choice. I realize now that for someone like myself with a battered HPTA, TRT is going to have to be approached with competence and comprehensiveness. This means HCG, testosterone, and an aromitase inhibitor. You need the golden trifecta–testosterone as solo regimen is ineffective and possible ruinous.

What is your conclusion?
A: On the androgel my testosterone literally doubled. And, given that my mode of delivery (gel) was a fast-acting, short half-life medium, the remission of my symptoms ought to have been immediate and explicit. It was neither of those things. This disconnect between blood levels and subjective benefits exposes the role that malfunctioning receptors play in preventing you from fully realizing your TRT.

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#53

any update to this thread?

#54

Would this be an appropriate place to post about an anabolic steroid cycle done post finasteride issues?

I didn’t necessarily do TRT but I have done a couple cycles since the onset of my problems.

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#55

Beck7711 : Yes please do that. That would be very interesting. Include dose and what effects you felt. Thanks

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#56

Well let me start by saying i quit fin 4 years ago the day i noticed side effects and they haven’t gone away since. I got all the standard sexual sides, ed, ZERO libido, trouble maintaining erection… etc. Anyways, here is what i did:

1st cycle:
16 weeks
150mg test enanthate eod
150mg EQ twice a week
250iu HCG eod
.5mg Arimidex eod

PCT-
Nolvadex
week 1- 40 mg/day
week 2- 30 mg/day
week 3- 20 mg/day
week 4- 20 mg/day

Ok so first of all i did this cycle to gain size, not for the PFS. But i figured what the hell, couldn’t get any worse right? This cycle took a good 4-5 weeks to kick in but when it did I felt EXACTLY the way i did pre-fin. Everything was back to normal and i felt great, for the first time in awhile i got a taste of what it was like to actually want to have sex and be able to whenever i wanted. But, unfortunately just like everything else i have tried these effects wore off after about a month, and i was back where i started.

btw- i have tried Maca, tribullus, horney goat weed, broccoli, super foods powder, viagra… I had amazing results with maca and my sex drive but that lasted maybe 2 weeks, hasn’t worked again since. Viagra used to do a lot more than it does now, even with it it’s still a 50/50 chance i can get an erection. The super foods (ill have to check brand later) i found if i drink the hell out of it on a regular basis it helps a little.

Anyways, my second cycle was also 16 weeks, pretty much the same as first just used tren ace instead of EQ and test prop instead of enanthate with dosage slightly different. I never got the feeling on this cycle i got with the first one, remained sexually uninterested the entire time.

It’s extremely disheartening to find things that work (natural or not) only for them to lose effectiveness shortly there after. Sorry i cant offer more help but here is my experience

#58

Bump

#59

Bumpy bump

#60

Here is another one from a TRT group I am in on Facebook. And yes, the last advice is the best lol

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#61

TRT, after Tribulus, made my symptoms worse. I never recovered. I think there’s two kind of people:

. who have the syndrome, this people has an intollerance of Testosterone and androgens, and AR is broken

. who developed hypogonadism by Finasteride, this people has “just” an hormonal imbalance and TRT can fix it, because their AR still works and their bodies accept the testosterone.

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