I did not pct, couldn’t get my hands on pct drugs. The symptoms correlate too much imo, something must have caused a reaction. How are you doing as of today?
Why don’t you test your hormone levels? Then we can start from somewhere. Sorry to hear your experience, welcome here.
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I have man. I had a totalt test 280 ng/dl at my lowest, highest was at 480 after a round of clomid only. I did a bloodtest recently after using hcg for 4 weeks and it came back at 1070ng/dl but I didn’t notice any improvement in symptoms, testicles are still atrophied aswell. Thanks man.
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I definitely agree that messing with DHT while you’re otherwise perfectly healthy is like playing with fire. However, you MAY end up needing a little hair of the dog to recover from this. It may take a cycle (or few) of something mostly androgenic like Mast or Proviron to get things back to normal.
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What is the theory behind that? Masteron is weaker than testosterone in androgenic rating? I believe if anything I would benefit from a test cycle to normalize things. I did try that and my body did not respond to replacement doses of testosterone (140mg/week).
A guy who also ran a bad cycle could fix his problems,
Check this thread: I was browsing and stumbled upon this...has anyone tried this
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Well I think it’s the similarity to actual DHT (rather than other androgens) that Mast and Proviron have. I don’t have any experience with Mast (yet), but this is what one guy (Robthomas) told me in another forum:
I did just finish a high-dose cycle of Proviron and it has helped a lot. Whereas TRT did jack for me. PFS definitely messes up our body’s ability to use testosterone like it’s supposed to.
Primobolan and Masteron are both DHT derivatives. For me running primobolan, which is similiar to masteron, messed me up. So I think maybe I should run test at a higher dose then taper down and do pct? For someone who used finasteride I could see why they would use mast as they did the opposite of what I did, I increased my DHT and crashed my testosterone.
17beta-Hydroxy-1-methyl-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one
This is the chemical structure, any insight on this?
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I don’t have a background in chemistry, but perhaps running a test cycle like you mentioned (or what was referenced above) seems like the most logical approach. There’s some guys here who did that (+Proviron) and felt great…at least temporarily.
Have you looked into a condition known as “Deca-Dick”?
There are quite a few stories of guys developing persistent ED, loss of libido, genital numbness, lack of energy, emotional bluntness, and other PFS-like symptoms, after using deca durobolin, another non-aromatizable, highly anabolic and weakly androgenic DHT analogue.
Just FYI, this isn’t a place to seek treatment recommendations. We remove such comments because there is no recognized or reliably replicable treatment for any of the persistent conditions discussed on this site and because there have been treatments that led to drastic and persistent worsening for some members. However; if someone wants to share with you anecdotal claims of what they believe helped them, that is fine.
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I know about deca dick etc. Deca is not a DHT derivative and it does in fact aromatize but at a slower rate than testosterone. I’ve used testosterone never experienced penile pain, anhedonia etc. Just sharing my story trying to show that PFS can be triggered by AAS use aswell, especially by running solo DHT derivative cycles.
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You are correct about nandrolone not being derived from DHT. It is not even considered an anologue of DHT, but a functional and structural anaologue of T. My knowledge of this stuff is admittedly getting rusty.
Not to start an argument about bro science, but there appears to be conflicting info stated in scientific journals about whether deca is “appreciably” aromatizable and I remember reading on BB forums speculations about deca-dick resulting from either non-aromatization, or inability to be acted upon by 5-ar:
Multiple studies cited in wikipedia:
Nandrolone also undergoes aromatization into estradiol similarly to testosterone, though at a rate of only about 20% of that of testosterone or possibly even less; one study found virtually no aromatization of nandrolone in men.
I have also seen info stating that deca doesn’t undergo 5-alpha-reduction and contradictory info stating that it is metabolized by 5-ar, but into a relatively inactive androgen.
Perhaps there are misconceptions born from nandrolone and nandrolone deconate being described interchangeably?
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It is appreciated and you are more than welcome to post a more detailed member story.
In regards to your drug of choice, if you thoroughly search on this site, there are a few stories of other members developing “PFS” from both anabolic steroids, and aromatase inhibitors, alone.
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I have been lurking on this forum for the last year or two, but after reading this post I thought I should finally chime in.
I too developed persistent PFS-like symptoms following a cycle of anabolic steroids. I used Sustanon when I was 30 years old (a steroid that I had used several previous times in my life with no problems), and immediately afterwards developed a near-total loss of sexual function. I am now 38. My condition has deteriorated significantly over the years. In addition to a complete loss of libido, my penis has shriveled up, I have not had a morning erection in 8 years, and I was recently diagnosed with a venous leak. I have a constant urge to pee, and I developed severe insomnia which has continued to worsen over the years.
I have had every hormone level imaginable tested, and have tried countless treatments, including hormones, peptides, supplements, shockwave therapy, platelet injections, and physical therapy. I am currently treating with a urologist who specializes in sexual dysfunction and works with PFS patients, as well as a pelvic floor therapist. While I have had a handful of very brief (i.e., less than one week) “recoveries” over the years in response to various treatments, nothing is significantly or permanently helping.
I will do my best to post a detailed member story sometime soon, but in light of the subject matter of this post, I thought this would be a good time to at least briefly share my story.
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I’m really sorry to hear about your situation. Would you say that you had any improvements in symptoms over the course of these eight years? That’s pretty strong of you to go 8+ years with this. I hope you find something that restores your function and puts this situation to and end. Thanks for jumping in on the thread.
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Thank you, and I’m sorry to hear about your situation as well. How soon after stopping the primobolan did your symptoms develop? I noticed odd sexual side effects a few weeks into my cycle of Sustanon, which were unlike anything I had experienced in the handful of previous times in my life that I had dabbled with anabolic steroids.
To answer your question, I unfortunately have had no permanent improvement over the past 8 years. In fact, my symptoms have worsened. I have had a near-total loss of libido and penile numbness since day one, but in the beginning my penis was still normal sized, and I could usually force myself to get an erection. Many times I wouldn’t ejaculate, because orgasms were basically numb, but I could nonetheless maintain an erection. As the years have passed, my penis has shrunken, and maintaining any type of erection has become exceedingly difficult. As I mentioned in my first post, I was recently diagnosed with a venous leak. Fortunately, the only cognitive effect that I developed was insomnia, although the insomnia has become rather severe in the last few years.
A handful of times when I have tried TRT over the years, I would notice an increase in libido and sensation at some point during the first few weeks of treatment, but on each occasion the benefits would only last a day or a few days. I started TRT again in January of this year, but have not noticed any improvements, so I will likely be stopping it soon. I have also had several very short recoveries from cycling high doses of tribulus (after reading a protocol on this forum), but I no longer feel any effects from tribulus, no matter how long I cycle off of it for. Most recently, my doctor put me on Armour Thyroid, even though my hormone levels were normal, just to see if it would have any effect. Soon after I started taking the Armour Thyroid, my libido returned, and felt normal for around a full week. I really thought that I might be on to something, because a full week was the longest recovery I have experienced from any drug or supplement. However, as usual, my libido disappeared soon after the end of that first week, and never came back.
I hope that your road to recovery will be much quicker than mine. As frustrating as these last 8 years have been, the fact that I have temporarily “recovered” on several occasions, even if it was only for a matter of days, is what has kept me from losing hope completely. I am still treating with my doctor, and there are a few more potential treatments that we are going to explore next. I’m not optimistic, but like I said, I haven’t given up just yet.
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I started noticing I didn’t have the urge to fap all of a sudden like I used to mid cycle. I took my last injection in october, but crashed hard january-february, same as you symptoms were just something completely else. You’ve been going 8 years, and I wonder how do you cope? Like I’m getting close to a year, my whole life has been affected. Work, social life, hobbies etc. I also tried TRT and it did nothing for me either. Just wondering, did you experience any symptoms besides sexual symptoms like heart palpations, digestive issues, burning hands and feet, tinittus, feeling of derealizasiton?
The only non-sexual symptom that I developed was severe insomnia, which I still have. I don’t have any of the other symptoms that you mentioned. I wish I had better advice for coping but I unfortunately don’t have much to offer. This condition has affected every aspect of my life too, so I know how you feel. It’s pretty much all I think about anymore. I have gone through bouts of deep depression and resorted to heavy drinking, but at the moment I at least have my drinking somewhat under control. I try and remind myself that there is more to life than whether or not my sex drive works, and some days are better than others, but overall it’s been a difficult 8 years.
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Damn bro sorry, it sucks so much but dht compounds should never be run alone, because you need the aromatisation from test in order to allow the estradiol to fullfil biological functions because dht shut you down.
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I know man, it was so stupid 
Hello, what therapies are you thinking about? have you heard about trestolone ment?
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