Oneday's PCT to Recovery (Correcting HPTA with Nolvadex and hCG)

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#81

Hey quint,

No one showed me how to do this and just researched it on the internet. Remember when you were young and decided take your pecker for a joy ride; did anyone show you how to do this? I guess you just needed a little research material (porn) and afterwards, you went to town with your balls. haha. Basically that is what i did and hit the web to get my needles, hcg, and found articles about how to inject. The hCG is the hardest part of this protocol because you have to mix it correctly and inject it into your body. If u try this program, just make sure thereā€™s no huge air bubbles in your mixture prior to injecting the solution into your body. As a precaution, I would flick the syringe with my finger to knock any air bubbles lose until it floats to the top, then squirt out the solution until the air bubbles are gone. There will be some microscopic bubbles but these should be ok. Hereā€™s a visual, just picture yourself pouring a can of cola into a glass and carbonated bubbles accumulate on the glass - well, this type of bubbles will form on the syringeā€™s wall and u flick the syringe, the bubbles float up and settle at the top, then squirt until the gap of air at the top disappears. Then youā€™ll see some micro, MICRO-scopic bubbles, these should be alright. When I first, I felt a little scared because little bubbles remained after I flicked and squirted and I couldnā€™t get rid of it, but i guess the bubbles were small enough for my body to absorb. Iā€™m still alive and whatever I did must have been right. Anyways, this web post is just short of me holding your dick at the bathroom, but this should be all the info that you cocksuckers need. (no offense) :slight_smile:

I found some articles that may of help:

Mixing Instructions:

materials needed

alcohol pads

2500 IU hcg ampule (depends on your program, for me I needed 2 for a 2 week program)

suggestion: buy 3-5 1.5 inches long needles because you need to extract the hcg solution from the ampule to store it into the Presealed vial. Short little half inch needles wonā€™t reach to the bottom of the ampule to fully extract the solution. Picture yourself drinking a cup of water and to drink all of the liquid, you need to tilt the cup as you gulp down the remaining fluid. Well, if you use half inch needles then you have to tilt the ampule on itā€™s side to extract all of the hcg mixture and this is very cumbersome. I made the mistake of not getting some long needle and wished I had.
(link: http://www.gpzservices.com/items/products/syringe-with-needle/-br-5-cc-syringe-with-needle/5-cc-syringe-with-needle-20-g-x-1-5-5csn20-detail.htm)

  1. First figure out the calculation given the materials you have. I have a 2500IU ampule of hcg and I want to take 300IU of hcg subcutaneously. I want to add 5 ml of bateriostatic water which is an increase from 4 ml that i have been using. The reason I added 1 more milliliter is to allow the mixture to flow more freely throughout my body. There is no scientific evidence for this and it is what i just thought up on my own.

(how much I want to take/size of ampule) x bateriostatic water ml = number of cc to inject

( 300 IU / 2500 IU ) x 5 ml = 0.60 cc

remember 1 ml is equal to 1 cc

  • Iā€™ll be taking 0.60 cc of the mixture for a dosage of 300IU into my thigh every other night

  1. Wash your hands

  2. Wipe the hcg ampule vial with a fresh alcohol pad

  3. Wipe the Presealed sterile vile with a fresh alcohol pad (this is what youā€™ll store the remaining HCG)

  4. Clean the bateriostatic water bottle with a fresh alcohol pad

  5. Using a fresh sterile syringe draw 4 ml of bateriostatic water and place it into the Presealed sterile vile.

step by step breakdown:
a) using your insulin and draw in 100 IU of air then add this air to bateriostatic water to increase the air pressure.
b) once the air is added, then draw 100 IU of the bateriostatic water(if you didnā€™t add the air from step a) then youā€™ll have a hard time drawing down the plunger b/c of the negative air pressure)
c) pull out the needle and add it to the presealed sterile vile.
d) follow steps a), b), and c) for another 3 times, and this will leave 4 ml of bateriostatic water in the presealed sterile vial.

  1. Break open the glass ampule of hcg along the line.

  2. Using a fresh syringe, draw in 1cc of air and then add to bateriostatic water.

  3. Extract another 1cc (1ml) of bateriostatic water and place it into the ampule of hcg powder. You should see it dissolve instantly!

  4. Extract the mixture and put it into the presealed vial which will leave you with 5 ml of hcg solution.

  • you should buy some long needles b/c it can be hard to draw out the mixture from the long ampule vials

  1. Using a fresh needle draw in 0.60cc of air then add to the presealed vial and draw out 0.60 cc of the hcg mixture from the presealed vial. Then I choose an injection site and wipe the area with an alcohol pad and once the alcohol has dried, then i inject myself.
    NOTE: everytime you stick the needle into the presealed vial it will dull your needle.

  2. Put the presealed vile of hcg into the fridge

I heard that the hcg should last about 1 week to 30 days, but it will lose potency as time goes on. For me, Iā€™ll mix a new batch weekly.

#82

Hey boston,

that is a good suggestion and Iā€™ll wait 2 weeks before getting lab work done. I was just anxious to see if my LH levels were high because I know that is important for your balls to produce testosterone. But if my hypothalamus is not able to sustain the high levels of gonadtropins after 2 weeks then I am screwed, so lab work 2 weeks from now should provide a more accurate assessment of my HPTA.

ahhh, i donā€™t care about thread hijacks because iā€™ve done it before. Just check out (http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/help-me-please-finasteride-134248317.html) and one day I just posted my entire journal to madclownā€™s thread. (boy, i was an asshole, but who give a shit. homey wasnā€™t posting anything in nearly 3 years and someone had to take it over the reins) Getting more views to this thread is always good, so yea, feel free to post whatever you want.

oneday

#83

Tuesday March 10, 2009

This is the 71st day on PCT and after tonight it will be the first day being off the program. This is most likely when the recovery begins and Iā€™m excited because I will no longer be taking nolvadex. Even though 2.5 mg of nolvadex is such a minuscule amount compared to 20mg, but it still has an affect on penile sensation. I remember when I was watching some vintage porn from the 80ā€™s and that was really arousing. I donā€™t know why, I donā€™t think it is disgustingly hairy pussy that got me aroused, but it was the storyline. Most hardcore porn these days are just little scenes where they are on a bed, kitchen counter tops, or in the backyard somewhere fucking. But the vintage stuff, ppl actually acted and followed a storyline throughout the 120 mins which was interesting. Now, It is a dead art form and current porn is just Fast Food Porn, where ppl are just having sex then it jumps into the scene w/ a different girl. I donā€™t know how u ppl feel about this but digress. I havenā€™t felt the same enthusiasm towards this genre of porn prior to pct and feel that nolvadex has something to do with this. It has made things are a little dull and uninteresting, so by being off nolva that i may now enjoy past pleasures.

Last night, I had 4 awakenings from my sleep because the blanket made me incredible hot, however, each time I woke up I had a nocturnal erection (somewhat firm and soft). I havenā€™t been able to sense my erections lately because I have minimal awakenings and it doesnā€™t last long enough for me to become conscious to check my erections. But if I do wake up then I take every opportunity to check my erectile quality. I had several spontaneous erections today, even tho they are soft but they are stronger than it has been in prior daysā€™ past. I donā€™t know what to make of this and I was hoping for a Miracle on 34th street with PCT. I thought that recovery would be quick and I have to be realistic as to the progress that one will experience on this program. There isnā€™t a lot of post on this subject and all I read is that ppl try some sort of PCT, then one post 8 mths later stating, they are doing better, so it makes it really hard to gauge the recovery time. Hardasnails1973 (meso-rx) mentioned to me that it will take 4 months for my body to acclimate, so it would be exhausting to write journal entries for 4 more months. Also, I know that I would start doubting myself during the 4 months and start to tinker around with clomid and proviron if things are progressing slowly. Iā€™m going to try and stay as calm as much as possible for the next 1 month and a half to see how this program is working. So far, iā€™m making progress and it will just take a little bit longer to see if I get the results Iā€™m looking for.

Enough about hairy beavers and self doubt. Iā€™ll talk to u folks later. oneday

#84

ps: i wonder is there a way for me to tell how many words Iā€™ve typed in this thread because this is the most Iā€™ve ever written.

#85

here is a summary of the pct protocol:

ā€“ I take the following medication between 10pm-12am

Started on Friday, December 26,2008
Week 1-2 Nolvadex 20 mg and Hcg 250 IU (only on Mon, Wed, Fri)
Week 3-6 Nolvadex 20 mg
Week 7 Nolvadex 10 mg
Week 8 Nolvadex 5 mg
Week 9 Nolvadex 2.5 mg
Finished on Monday, March 10, 2009
Next 4 months - Analyze progress

Quote: Now, the saga continue Wu Tang, Wu Tang, mo fuckas!

#86

Hi Oneday

Thanks so much for this detailed journal. Very best of luck for the coming weeks: I really hope you get what youā€™re looking for.

I think your strategy is good: you should chill for the next couple of months and see how things go. Donā€™t throw any more meds into the mix, or you will confuse the matter.

Your diary is so detailed that I feel as though Iā€™ve maybe lost track of exactly how your symptoms are. So can you answer a few questions?

How are erections, on a scale of 1 to 10? Can you get hard enough to penetrate? Do erections last or are they constantly disappearing unless you stimulate them?

How is libido on scale on 1 to 10? Has PCT improved libido?

How is physical energy on a scale of 1 to 10? (Not sure if youā€™re ever had a problem with this). Has PCT improved this?

How is sleep on scale of 1 to 10? Has PCT improved this?

Thanks very much.

#87

Hi ScaredMale30,

thank you for your words of encouragement. I do get carried away with typing sometimes and put a lot of fluff in my journal that may or may not be pertinent to PCT recovery. Iā€™ve never written a journal before and felt that if i was going to, that this was the moment to do so. Here are the answers to your questions.

Q1) How are erections, on a scale of 1 to 10? Can you get hard enough to penetrate? Do erections last or are they constantly disappearing unless you stimulate them?

As of today, my erections are a 6.5 and have been disappointed with the result. It will get hard enough to 8.0 only if there is some sort of physical or visual stimulation which is good for penetration. I will lose it if there is not enough stimuli and it will fluctuate between 8.0-5.5 range. This is a result of nolvadex and for some reason, it causes weak erections and numbs my excitement.

For example: When I was on vacation, I was forgetting to take my nolvadex and had very strong erections 8.5-9.0, so I know nolvadex was messing around with my system. Also, in the first week or so, my erections were very strong and I suppose that the affects of nolvadex hadnā€™t fully taken affect yet. Once nolvadex has reached its optimal potency in your system, that it will dull your sexual sensations and make it harder to maintain erections.

Q2) How is libido on scale on 1 to 10? Has PCT improved libido?

Hmmm. tough question and here is why. I noticed that Iā€™m looking at girls more but does that mean that libido has increased, even tho thereā€™s no sexual intent. Or do u gauge it this way, when youā€™re at the theaters watching a movie then a sexual seen appears up on the screen, as in the case of the new movie ā€œWatchmenā€, do I get aroused??? Well I had a mild erection which I havenā€™t had in years. Watching soft core vs hard core is different for me after propecia. Only hard core gets me aroused but pct has partially restored my arousal for soft core stuff like in the case of the ā€œWatchmenā€. I was on 2.5mg of nolvadex when I watched the movie, but if I was on 20mg then soft core porn would not have been enough to induce an erection.

To put a numerical value on libido, I would say that PCT took me from 2 to 5 and thereā€™s still work to be done this department. I still have nolvadex affects so I canā€™t say if things will get better and weā€™ll just have to wait and see.

Q3) How is physical energy on a scale of 1 to 10? (Not sure if youā€™re ever had a problem with this). Has PCT improved this?

Ok, this is was the most apparent and pct has made a huge impact. Energy has improved greatly and Iā€™m gaining mass at the gym. I donā€™t know if u workout, but if youā€™re tired then you donā€™t want to push yourself at the gym. That was how I felt prior to pct and now Iā€™m challenging myself at the gym all the time. Youā€™ll noticed the burst of energy in the 1st 2 weeks of the program then tamper off a little and plateau to a new high. Your energy will be higher than prepct, but may not be as high as the first 2 weeks. In the 2nd month on PCT, that is when it will climb back up and youā€™ll will probably feel more aggression in the final weeks of the program.

On pct, energy went from 5 to 9.

Q4) How is sleep on scale of 1 to 10? Has PCT improved this?

This is another area where things have improved and my sleep quality went from a 5 to 10. Now keep this in mind, I have a comfortable situation here at home and thereā€™s no external factors such as stress, noisy neighbors, or a crazy night life that keeps me from sleeping right. If you are able to have a peaceful environment to sleep in and a good sleep schedule then on this program pct has helped greatly.

In conclusion, pct elevates testosterone but wreaks havoc on your emotions as well as impedes your ability to sustain erections. Remember, that nolvadex blocks estrogen from the receptors but you cannot discount itā€™s necessary role in erectile quality and sensation. Over the next couple of weeks, Iā€™ll pay close attention to my body as the nolvadex works itā€™s way out of my system and the estrogen levels dissipates. Hope this answers your questions. oneday

#88

Bump

#89

in reference to using an AI and the HTPA stall, what about using exemestane? I believe its an inactivator. Alot of people on af-board.com swear by it (or AIFM)

#90

Hi folks,

Iā€™m still alive and Iā€™ll be posting something this week maybe by Friday. Progress is slow but moving along. Iā€™ll be going in for blood work this week and will post the results in a couple of weeks. talk to u soon.

#91

It has been nearly one month being off of PCT and not posting to any forums. I still feel like Iā€™m still being affected by increased estrogen in my system. My eyes seems puffier due to water retention and my theory is that as the receptors clear from the nolvadex disuse, the increase estrogen in my body are influencing the receptors, therefore Iā€™m retaining water in my face. My sleep has gotten worse where Iā€™m waking up 3-5 times more per night compared to PCT. Now I can get 3 or more erections per day and have more spontaneous erections but it doesnā€™t occur everyday. Watching movies with a sexual scene will give a slight arousal and cause a mild erection which only started to happen after PCT. My ejaculate is more voluminous only if I get really excited otherwise it is watery. There have been times each week, where my erections are rock hard, but generally it hovers at 65-75%.

My emotions are generally good, but I get a little down when I look at my thinning hair. PCT has made my hair thinner and that is enough to bring down my mood. At these moments, it makes me think about what I should do about post PCT and whether or not to try to eliminate the extra estrogen in my system with Proviron or to try Xyrem. Hmmm, what do I do. Also, recently I noticed that my adrenal system isnā€™t functioning right after Propecia. My fight-flight response is all fucked up for example, generally I have to give presentations at work, so I use to get a little nervous and my heart would pound out of chest prior to the delivery of my material. Now that doesnā€™t happen anymore and thereā€™s something wrong with this picture. I know that when I use to get horny, my heart will pound out of my fucking check and I would get butterflies in my stomach if Iā€™m around a very attractive girl and that only happens if my adrenals were functioning correctly. Iā€™m continue to ponder what Iā€™m going to do about adrenals, extra estrogen in the system and thinning hair.

Summary:

  • More erections per day and some days it is rock hard
  • Still fighting some estrogen effects
  • More weight gain
  • Some water retention
  • Considering POST PCT action to reduce estrogen
#92

Thanks for the update.

Good luck, keep at it.

#93

Hardasnails1973 (moderator from meso-rx.com) told me that, ā€œYour hormones needs a good 4 months to feel the cellular changes to be permanent,ā€ but I have only been off of PCT for a month. I value his opinion and Iā€™m having a hard time waiting for the horniness to come back. haha. Doing PCT was the easy part but the hardness part is being patient to see the outcome. Whatever the outcome maybe, I have about 3 months left to see what the results are. Then I stumbled across 3pm Recovery thread (http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2265) and makes me wanna give GHB another chance. So far, thereā€™s like 5 people who has tried GHB and some were successful while others had to quit due to side effects. I was one of the quitters because it wasnā€™t giving me the results that was mentioned by ithappens (http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1286)and paulwaters2006 (http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=335) (what happen buddy, you never talk anymore?). Anyhow, the drug was hard to get because it is like a schedule I drug or something like that which you needed to prove that you had sleep issues before they gave you a prescription for it. So, I did a sleep study which validated that I had sleep issues, so they gave me the prescription. One week later, the drug arrived and I measured 5 ml then split it out between two bottles. You take one bottle when you sleep then 4 hours later you take the second bottle. A typical dose is 6 ml and maybe that is why GHB (Xyrem) was not successful for me. I noticed that I lost all nocturnal and morning erections which got me scared so I stopped after a week of treatment. Also it corresponded to the time when I started to think about PCT and wanted to start that immediately.

Fast forward to now, so I read 3pm Recovery thread and yesterday I decided that I would try Xyrem again while my body is recovering from PCT. GHB makes you sleep and release Human Growth Hormone (HGH) so it should help my body repair itself faster. Last night, I started with 2.75 ml for the first dose and 2.50 ml for the second dose. After a 20 min wait, I felt like the ground was shift underneath my feet and felt very gitty. Once I crawled into bed, my head was spinning and a lot of thoughts started to flash through my mind. As I stumbled from thought to thought in rapid succession, I came across a memory of a girl with fake tits that I met and she was total digging me. She has a kid which made me hesitant to pursue a relationship her, but in my euphoric state, I would totally bang her and didnā€™t care if she had a kid or not. While I was on that memory, I became aroused and got mildly erected which didnā€™t happen at all when I was first trying Xyrem back in December 2008. This afternoon, I got a spontaneous erection, but wasnā€™t as hard as it has been in the past few weeks. As for sleep quality, GHB knocks you out and woke up 1 time which was to take my second dose. I woke up this morning feeling the side effects until 12pm which consisted of a stuff head and felt mentally sleepy (slow to process information).

Iā€™ll be taking the same dose of Xyrem tonight. good night, oneday.

#94

As you know, GHB/Xyrem is not what significantly reduced/reversed my symptoms, but as Phenibut is a derivative of GABA which agonizes the GABA-B receptor, it acts similarly. Due to PBā€™s high tolerance I find GHB is the better option, while PB is a good way to notice improvements.

Unlikely that so many of us should have sleep issues without that being medically significant. I think more of you all should schedule sleep studies and explain how Xyrem can help you, as it has helped others.

Itā€™s interesting that everyone reacts differently to Xyrem. The recent experience you described sounds like a positive reaction. One question - how would you rate your sleep quality when youā€™ve used it?

Congrats on your recovery thus far oneday; I think itā€™s good you have tried substantial treatment methods. And good luck with Ms. fake boobs! lol :laughing:

#95

Tuesday, April 21, 2009

I have begun a course of Xyrem treatment, Iā€™ve been saving the Xyrem bottles that Iā€™ve gotten for the past few months. I didnā€™t take it originally because I was afraid that it was robbing my nocturnal erections. So my initial experience was horrible, but now, Iā€™m thoroughly surprised that my heart beat is returning. Usually when Iā€™m watching something exciting, like a basketball game or hockey game, I would get a slight rise in heartrate. After propecia, my heartrate was different, maybe some how my adrenals (adrenaline) was affected, thus it diminished my emotional response to exciting events. Yesterday, I was watching Celtics and Chicago Bulls play and my heat was up there, then I flipped over to watch the Bruins and that too caused an out of the ordinary rise in heartrate. This morning the same thing was happening when I was watching an episode of Star Gate SG1 and that sent my heartrate through the roof. I think my adrenal glands are functioning again. I had bad anxiety after coming off of propecia, then with months of better sleep I got rid of the anxiety, but with Xyrem I feel different and it is not something that I take lightly. When youā€™re on Propecia, you donā€™t feel that different, but once you quit it wreaks emotional havoc, I tried Reset A.D to correct the adrenals which didnā€™t help at all. With Xyrem, Iā€™m glad that my body can feel this type of emotion again and oneday, I hope that when Iā€™m around a hot girl that I get butterflies and my heart is pounding through my fucking chest. Iā€™m tired of living life with a emotional shield and I want to feel the full range of emotions again.

I hate that 6-7 months of propecia has left me searching for a cure for 2 years now. I find myself asking God, if he could throw me a lifeline and save me from the mess that I put myself in, then I wonder why cure me? My benevolent self always says, ā€œWhy am I special that I get should get a miraculous cure vs someone who has cancer, blind, missing limbs, or whatever.ā€ Society ask us to walk in other peopleā€™s shoes, then why do I feel like, I donā€™t want to walk in these pair of shoes anymore. I think what is God trying to teach me, that if he answered my request and cured me, what would have I learned from all this??? That God exist and he could cure all if I just asked. Or if his lesson was to let me learn and value the life that I was given, that tempering with my body could have grave consequence, which Iā€™m learning that first hand, right now. If Iā€™m cured, then shit, Iā€™ll always wear sun screen to protect my skin, I wonā€™t drink other than that healthy glass of red wine, I wonā€™t be messing around with steroids or hormones. My life is important and changing things internally have tremendous, if not potentially disastrous effects. Some random reader could be reading this and think that Iā€™m blaming everything on Propecia, from loss of libido, sleep issues, emotional, and adrenal issues, so guess what, I do! My personality, libido, and sleep quality is like, night and day from when I started to the day I stopped propecia. Why is it so far fetch to think that your body is regulated by checks and balances through the use of neurotransmitters and hormones. Taking a DHT inhibitor will cause Estrogen and testosterone to increase and you donā€™t think your body will try to change your neurotransmitters and hormones to balance things out??? Hey if you want to take Propecia, then thereā€™s a potential that youā€™ll be walking in my proverbial shoes and become propeciahelp.comā€™s user oneday2135. lol

Taking Xyrem is like drinking seawater and it is salty as shit. Youā€™ll need a glass of water beside your bed to chase it down for when you take your second dose. Iā€™ve gonna keep a Journal about Xyrem (yup, another fucking long journal by oneday), maybe not on this forum, I may keep a nonElEcTrOnIc journal. Weā€™ll see. I like writing, but you guys like summaries, which Iā€™m not good at because Iā€™m too verbose for you guys. So this is my fourth day on Xyrem, I took (2.75g dose 1, 2.75g dose 2) last night, I noticed that I had a nocturnal erection and a slight morning erection which is weaker from my typical erections. Iā€™m too doped up to notice if I have more erections throughout the night because Xyrem knocks you out(TKO style, like Mike Tysonā€™s Punch Out ). My sleep quality is the greatest with the first dose, but with the second dose I have issues, I will periodically wake up starting at 5am but my body wants to sleep more, a lot more! I ended up waking at 7am but it feels like I have sleep breath which is a shallow breath and my chest feels heavy. You could die from this stuff because it could make you forget to breathe when youā€™re asleep, so you must take the right dose.

bye, oneday.

#96

Where is oneday at??Havenā€™t heard from him forever!

#97

sorry anonnn1,

I havenā€™t been posting because I at a point where I donā€™t know what to do. After I stopped PCT, my sleep quality went from shit to great and my skin has become increasingly oilly (maybe a strong indication that DHT is active), and a great increase in scalp itch, as far as libido it is ok, and erections are not impressive. So, where do I go from hair. haha (play on words) PCT has devastated my hair and it is 100x thinner than it was prior to PCT. Hmmmā€¦do I get depressed over losing hair or having poor erections (65%-85% erectile quality to date), or both. The hair thang, Iā€™m hoping that it is temporary because it could take 4-6 months for hair to recover from nolvadex usage. I was telling solonjk that the only time I had great erections on a daily basis was when I was on Big Softies stack, which pretty much consisted of Sustain Alpha(main ingredient is resveratrol), toco 8(vitamin E complex), endo amp, and ZMK. For now, I want to meet girls and be able to get a hard erection naturally, so Iā€™m gonna try Softieā€™s protocol again.

If i had to do PCT over again, I would try Hcg without the nolvadex and only do 150 ui of hcg. Then, Iā€™ll take GHB right after to lock in itā€™s affects because I think sleep is a major component to BODY RESET. Here was my observation: After pct, my sleep quality was drastically better, then 1-2 weeks later I noticed that I was starting to get more awakenings and I decided to take GHB for 9 days. After 9 days, i was back to having great sleep again and I believe that the sleep allowed my body to reset itself back to the condition that it was in 2 weeks ago. Back in Nov 08, I tried xyrem (GHB) and it never improved my sleep quality so that means that PCT was instrumental in giving me restful sleep.

I donā€™t want to lose anymore hair and I want some libido, so Iā€™m gonna try Softieā€™s stack (http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6405#6405) for the time being. Last time I tried this, it took me 3 months before I notice rock erections (100% erectile quality) and 80% libido (aka sexual desire). Why did I stop Softieā€™s stack??? I stopped originally because sustain alpha was giving me a rash and giving me body hair, also ZMK delayed my speech because youā€™ll have a hard time searching for thoughts on that supplement. After trying pct, iā€™m gonna return to what I know works.

New Approach but using old methods:

  1. Try Big Softieā€™s stack for 3 months or more.

Sustain Alpha

Toco 8

  • I donā€™t know if this contributed towards getting rock hard erections but it was apart of the original stack that I tried when I got great erections.

Endo Amp

  • I donā€™t know if this contributed towards getting rock hard erections but it was apart of the original stack that I tried when I got great erections.

ZMK

  • wonā€™t be taking this yet because it gives delays me mentally
  1. After getting rock hard erections for several weeks, Iā€™m gonna take Xyrem to hopefully use sleep to LOCK in the results.

PS: How to wean yourself off Xyrem?

  1. on the last day of xyrem, take half a dose instead of the 2 dose at 11pm and the other at 3am. Just take the 1 dose at 11pm and you should sleep till 5 am, so wake up at this point so you will force your body to be tired during the day.

  2. at the end of the night, take 2 tabs of 300mcg of melatonin at 11pm-12am then go to bed. You wont have the best sleep but youā€™ll be able to sleep.

  3. next night, take 2 tabs of 300mcg of melatonin at the same time like the prior night and go to bed.

  4. continue this for 5 days and you should sleep normal afterwards.

#98

Missed ya manā€¦I feel like you are making the right movesā€¦

Pretty soon we can say victory to all of this!

I can smell it, you can smell itā€¦

-anonnn

P.S. been off propecia for 7 YEARS, 27 years oldā€¦but am confident on a recovery.

#99

Check out this link as well
nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ā€¦ 003508.htm

Vasoactive intestinal polypeptide (VIP) is a substance found throughout the body, but the highest levels normally occur in the nervous system and gut. VIP has many functions:

It helps control or send nerve signals
It helps relax certain muscles along the gastrointestinal tract
It increases the amount of water and electrolytes released from the pancreas and gut
It triggers the release of hormones from the pancreas, gut, and hypothalamus
It helps breakdown fat and glycogen
It stimulates bile flow
It blocks gastrin and gastric acid secretion

Relaxation of the penile tissue invovles Vasoactive intestinal polypeptide

Also read THISā€¦SO INFORMATIVEā€¦

books.google.com/books?id=r1jCtG ā€¦ erone+(DHT&source=bl&ots=v-vsWKO3uB&sig=2a5XB7lrnM4GjI5jDd9stRtt2oI&hl=en&ei=VGNZSofsD4KetweWp5DeCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10

Talks about enlarging the CNS with (Acetylcholine, Dopamine, Serotonin)Nuero-endocrine and cardiovascular functions are needed to get your junk goingā€¦ The Acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous functions produce sufficient Nitric Oxide in the parasympathetic nervous endings of penile arteries to signal sponaneous erection. The dopamine/nueroendocrine function mustproduce a burst of testosterone and conversin of testostorone to DHT to supercharge the penilenerves and to stimulate the penile itssues to expand. The cardiovascular function must induce high blood pressue in pelvic cavity where the cardiovascular function has to pump extra blood into the penis to inflate it.

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itā€™s incredible how in these days i was thinking exactly at what annonnn1 wrote:

the interest thing is that iā€™m feeling good,i have good sleep,good energy ,no more brian fog ,often night erections and feel horny,but i still have problems with my erections ,they are not so often like pre-fina and sometimes is like if my nerves have not the power to move the body in all my body and in penis too,my brain is less excitate than it used to be,so i was thinking that maybe,now that my hair is falling out again like prefinasteride times,the problem could be just neurological and the brain does not send the stong message as it should cause of a neuro damege and the nerves of my body doesnā€™t work as they should (iā€™ ve pain at my legs,my arms,and i donā€™t feel sensations on my body)ā€¦ so iā€™m thinking of using progesterone cause if you search well at low doses it doesnā€™t slow testo and it helps for a lot of things about neurological aspect,so what annonnn1 wrote, i think has a good ammount of sense . what do you think?