It has been 8 months trying bullshit remedies and natural supplements. I even flew out to Ohio to the tri state sleep clinic to get xyrem for my sleep disorder. I took xyrem for a week and sure it was euphoric but that is not I was after. I lost my nocturnal erections and had mild morning erections compared to preXyrem which was good nocturnal erections (60%) and great morning erections(80-85%). Xyrem made me tired and emotionally drained compared to happy and great energy prior to taking Xyrem.
Look, I read only 2 out of 4 people on this forum where xyrem has been successful. Now i’m 5th person and sure, i only took the stuff for a week, but i didn’t see the results. Even my midday erections were horrendous.
It has been too long and i’m creeping on my 2 yr mark with side effects, so i just want to get fucking cured. I thought about situation logically and weighed my symptoms against my lab results, as well as, try to hypothesis what could have gone wrong when I took propecia.
when i first took propecia, i had pain in my prostate as if it was shriveling up inside me and the very next day I no longer had any libido. There was this lesbian at work and she was dope. Tight fucking ass and great legs, so there were moments where my dick was throbbing just thinking about her, then i took propecia and all those thoughts went away. I told myself that this was natural and the side effects were documented that if i stopped things will return to normal (hind sight: that was bullshit and i should have stopped immediately)
Hypothesis (seems like everyone on this forum has a hypothesis and wanted to add my two cents)
At this point, i believe that propecia has inhibited the conversion of testosterone to dht. Hmmm, if there’s a lot of free testosterone floating in your blood then Aromatase (similar to 5ar but this enzyme converts testos into estrogen) will convert the free testosterone into estradiol. If you guys been studying stuff outside this forum… you’ll know that estradiol has 200x the suppress pressure than 1 molar basis of testosterone on the hypothalamus. My point is that estrogen is telling your brain not to produce Luteinizing hormone (LH is used to communicate to your testes to produce testosterone.) If you don’t get enough LH in your blood stream then your balls will atrophy overtime. Eventually, the leydig cells in your balls will shrink and now matter how much LH is in your blood, leydig cells will not respond to generate testosterone. It is pretty simple right! It is only anecdotal but it is may be why ppl are more emotional and they develop gyno do to high estradiol. You only develop gyno if you are genetically predisposed. Just like we are genetically predisposed to get permanent side effects from finasteride. Yes, i know, propecia sucks balls!
So if you stop propecia, there will be a gradual increase of DHT, but the aromatase in your body have become very active and efficient at converting testosterone into estradiol, also it also have the capability of converting DHT into estradiol too. Now your body is getting such a huge dose of estradiol (200x the suppress force) in your body and it shuts down your hypothalmus from producing GnRH which causes the pituitary NOT to produce LH. Without LH, your balls shut down, you become an an emotional wreak b/c of estradiol and the lack of testosterone.
After we stop FIN, 99% of us are emotional, lack libido, inability to maintain erections and it is due to high estrogen. Estrogen has a role in libido just as much as testosterone, but too much estrogen could be blocking the same libido receptors that are used by testosterone.
too much of a rant and i’m going back to why i started with this pct.
If your balls have atrophied, then you have to wake them back up, so I thought about steroid users and their shrunken balls. I can honestly say that i have never thought about another guys balls, but this is the only exception.
This is why i went to steroids.com to research drugs and various Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) protocol. I found Mike Scally and Anthony Roberts PCT articles on meso, so who is right b/c both guys seem to provide great information about the Hypothalmus-Pituitary-Testicular- Axis (HPTA). PCT is used to restore the HPTA back to what it was prior to taking steroids and i figured that one of these programs will work for me.
From my lab work, i’m producing enough LH but I have noticed that i have grape size balls and need to resurrect the atrophy testes. It takes about 2-3 weeks on 250iu to 500 iu HCG, but taking too much will fuck up your balls and screw your pct for months (read meso to find out.) Hcg will create a lot of estrogen and testosterone from your testes, so u need nolvadex to stimulate your brain to produce LH and FSH, resensitize your pituitary to GnRH(makes your brain require less GnRH to produce LH), and block the estrogen receptors (prevents gyno). Using nolva will get your brain use to producing LH and with your balls running at full steam after hcg treatment, so when u taper down on nolva your HPTA should be self sufficient and produce testosterone naturally. With the nolvadex, this is done for 6-16 weeks and i’m on the 8 week program. If the pct fails me than i will seek a longer protocol. Tapering off this drug is the most important part of the pct to avoid estrogen shock and give your body time to adjust to estradiol levels. Users on meso claimed that their libido were affect while on nolvadex, but exponentially increased during the tapering off phase.
I only work 3 days and have 4 days to fuck around, so I have been learning and reading hundreds of web pages about this shit. I’ve looked on this forum for similar protocols, but there isn’t any. Some tried HCG, CLOMID, and NOLVADEX, but have failed. It doesn’t deter me tho because they don’t tell us the combination, dosage, and duration, so i can’t trust their postings. My goal is to document as much as i can and become a resource to people if this ends up working. I’m tired of fin sides and want things back to normal.
Remember, i’m not a doctor so here’s a disclaimer: use this information at your own risk.