I am very rarely visiting the forum but want to add something. When I talked to him months ago, he said his T level went up but he was still more concerned with his hair and was again using something for his hair I think minxodil or something like that caliming to replace DHT in his head. I told him not to do that but he was determined to his hair. I will try to find his email if not deleted.
I know that hair loss can be very depressing but after this shit, how can you possibly contemplate messing around again. People are more convinced by side effects of Minox on the hair loss forums, although purely cosmetic ones.
I have about 3 forum member on my facebook, and I swear to god not one of them is really losing their hair. I am 19, and almost bald. I shave it to the bone every 3 days.
This guy had the right idea but that is a horrible PCT. You NEED an AI in there alongside a SERM and hCG like that. In the absence of same on would have ridiculous estrogen levels which would pretty much ensure no recovery.
I see he was against AI’s as he was worried about using another enzyme inhibitor. Arimidex is very different to finasteride in just about every way, i don’t think those concerns were warranted. Using anything to artificially tweak your hormones isn’t going to be ideal but in certain instances AI’s will prove very important to one’s protocol.
Sorry it was several months ago I stumbled accross something of his on meso saying something along the lines of running it again but slightly differently.
If I come accross it again in my incessant searching for the answer I surely will post it!
False. I was on clomid-only, my T was in the 800s (50% higher than my pre-fin T), and my estrogen was as low as 26. My sex hormones all looked great, but I was suffering sexual and mental sides anyway.
Guys is there any progress??
Try sellery ı have some good results from it but no 100%
If i stop I lose the effect but still it works
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The reason why many of you guys failed to restart your HPTA’s were due to using the wrong drug. I promised myself to leave this forum for a good time because i finally found a promising protocol. But some problems came up and i stayed here to gather some additional information before i go. There is really a lot to say.
But only thing i can say now is that the best bet for HPTA recovery is Enclomiphene. You can buy the brand name Enclofert by India. Clomid won’t work for HPTA, because:
Clomid is a combination of two isomers. Zuclomiphene and Enclomiphene. We need Enclomiphene, it is an Estrogen Antogonist. Zuclomiphene is an Estrogen Agonist! That’s why many bodybuilders or low T sufferers feel good on Clomid only for a short period of time and then crash due to elevated Estrogen or Estrogenic side effects. Whereas, Enclomiphene antogonizes ER’s on Pituitary Gland. Well, other SERM’s do this too but as i said, they are very estrogenic on other tissues. Unfortunately, there is a limited knowledge on Enclomiphene’s tissue spesific effects. But from what i have read, it seems it doesn’t have that Estrogenic effect as other SERM’s.
I was also searching Tamoxifen, it is tolerated very well in contrary to Clomid but it is also has both anti-estrogenic and estrogenic effects. Also it has some bad effects on bone growth. A mixed bag, but still a good choice. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18348701
If we minimalize everything to one conclusion: Best thing to try for low T symptoms is Enclomiphene Citrate. If you don’t have the acsess to it, the second best thing is Tamoxifen Citrate. Rest is a big no-no. You might want to supplement yourself with MK-677 prior to a SERM PCT because it also decreases IGF-1 levels due its Estrogenic affects on the liver. (IGF-1 is produced in the liver.)
No one in this forum has ever used the correct substance on correct dosages. It is insane that people here used Clomid 40mg every day and claimed it is not working. Of course it won’t work. The substance is wrong, the dosages are wrong, the duration is wrong! You need to use it 12.5mg every other day. (Search every bodybuilding forum and articles, all of my words are based.) Im considering that increasing androgens can heal us when i propose this hypothesis. I know that many of us felt bad or didn’t notice much when we increase the T levels, but still i think many people missing a chance here.
Low is better with SERMS, so you should start with 10mg every other day. At least for 6 weeks. This is the safest and most efficient protocol you can find when it comes to SERM’s. Don’t use Clomid. Use Enclomiphene.