Oneday's PCT to Recovery (Correcting HPTA with Nolvadex and hCG)

liquidfirex · May 25, 2018, 6:17am

I don’t get why OP was surprised that he felt off while on the nolva? This is a well know effect of the drug, but you should go back to normal afterwards. A lot of guys get very emotional and their libido will be depressed while on almost any SERM, but after your off you should feel better.

Although there are newers SERMS like toremifene which aren’t supposed to be as bad while you’re on them.

oneday · May 25, 2018, 6:17am

I did paravol/dermacrine/sustain alpha for 1 mth and stopped. I was getting some side effects such as facial breakouts, hair falling out(pct could’ve contributed), strange bumps on skin. I did see some difference in my ejeculate (more volume) but it wasn’t impressive for me to continue taking paravol.

How am I doing now… my penial shaft looks longer throughout the day (1 mth so far) and not like its usual condense mass. Penis sensitivity is steadily creeping up. Within this week, I get spontaneous erections in the morning around 7-11am as well as in the afternoons. I get about 2-3 day time erections at 85% hardness. If I don’t masterbate for three days then my ejaculate volume will flow over my cupped hand. All I’m on, is nioxin. My balls are full size, so I believe its continually generating ejaculate and testosterone.

Right now I have no desire to seek any other pct or change my regiment of nioxin. I’m comfortably waiting to see what kind of improvements there are.

Later all. Oneday

spstriken · May 25, 2018, 6:17am

All I can say you are definitely recovering. It will not take long before you enjoy your life again although I strongly feel this is all b/c of your PCT. I read
,don’t remember, Nolva’s good effects come later, maybe this is what you are having now.

good luck

sps

spstriken · May 25, 2018, 6:22am

Hi Oneday

could you let us know how u r doing these days.

sps

iwontgiveup · May 25, 2018, 6:28am

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2055&start=120

He ran a PCT and complained that it didnt work and then dissapeared…

some people on here claiming victory but then WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY STILL ON HERE

this dude straight dipped out doesnt give a fuck anymore so what happened to him?

Has anyone spoken to him? Maybe a PCT does work it just doesnt happen right away or something…

boston332 · May 25, 2018, 6:28am

Either got better or off’ed himself. I really hope he got better. But, I know if I ever recovered I’d be back here telling everyone how I did it.

oh_bloody_hell · May 25, 2018, 6:28am

I’m surprised this wasn’t shuffled away elsewhere when the recoveries section was locked, he didn’t recover and admitted it himself.

Mew · May 25, 2018, 6:29am

I don’t have time to locate that piece of info, but if you have it, please provide a link to it and his direct quote.

spstriken · May 25, 2018, 6:29am

I am very rarely visiting the forum but want to add something. When I talked to him months ago, he said his T level went up but he was still more concerned with his hair and was again using something for his hair I think minxodil or something like that caliming to replace DHT in his head. I told him not to do that but he was determined to his hair. I will try to find his email if not deleted.

sps

sanfran55 · May 25, 2018, 6:29am

Crazy.

I know that hair loss can be very depressing but after this shit, how can you possibly contemplate messing around again. People are more convinced by side effects of Minox on the hair loss forums, although purely cosmetic ones.

I have about 3 forum member on my facebook, and I swear to god not one of them is really losing their hair. I am 19, and almost bald. I shave it to the bone every 3 days.

Bradwaggoner · May 25, 2018, 6:29am

I hope that isn’t the case. I’d never eff with anything that screws up hormones again. Bald and healthy is way better than this.

Mens_Rea · May 25, 2018, 6:30am

oneday:

It has been 8 months trying bullshit remedies and natural supplements. I even flew out to Ohio to the tri state sleep clinic to get xyrem for my sleep disorder. I took xyrem for a week and sure it was euphoric but that is not I was after. I lost my nocturnal erections and had mild morning erections compared to preXyrem which was good nocturnal erections (60%) and great morning erections(80-85%). Xyrem made me tired and emotionally drained compared to happy and great energy prior to taking Xyrem.

Look, I read only 2 out of 4 people on this forum where xyrem has been successful. Now i’m 5th person and sure, i only took the stuff for a week, but i didn’t see the results. Even my midday erections were horrendous.

It has been too long and i’m creeping on my 2 yr mark with side effects, so i just want to get fucking cured. I thought about situation logically and weighed my symptoms against my lab results, as well as, try to hypothesis what could have gone wrong when I took propecia.

when i first took propecia, i had pain in my prostate as if it was shriveling up inside me and the very next day I no longer had any libido. There was this lesbian at work and she was dope. Tight fucking ass and great legs, so there were moments where my dick was throbbing just thinking about her, then i took propecia and all those thoughts went away. I told myself that this was natural and the side effects were documented that if i stopped things will return to normal (hind sight: that was bullshit and i should have stopped immediately)

Hypothesis (seems like everyone on this forum has a hypothesis and wanted to add my two cents)
At this point, i believe that propecia has inhibited the conversion of testosterone to dht. Hmmm, if there’s a lot of free testosterone floating in your blood then Aromatase (similar to 5ar but this enzyme converts testos into estrogen) will convert the free testosterone into estradiol. If you guys been studying stuff outside this forum… you’ll know that estradiol has 200x the suppress pressure than 1 molar basis of testosterone on the hypothalamus. My point is that estrogen is telling your brain not to produce Luteinizing hormone (LH is used to communicate to your testes to produce testosterone.) If you don’t get enough LH in your blood stream then your balls will atrophy overtime. Eventually, the leydig cells in your balls will shrink and now matter how much LH is in your blood, leydig cells will not respond to generate testosterone. It is pretty simple right! It is only anecdotal but it is may be why ppl are more emotional and they develop gyno do to high estradiol. You only develop gyno if you are genetically predisposed. Just like we are genetically predisposed to get permanent side effects from finasteride. Yes, i know, propecia sucks balls!

So if you stop propecia, there will be a gradual increase of DHT, but the aromatase in your body have become very active and efficient at converting testosterone into estradiol, also it also have the capability of converting DHT into estradiol too. Now your body is getting such a huge dose of estradiol (200x the suppress force) in your body and it shuts down your hypothalmus from producing GnRH which causes the pituitary NOT to produce LH. Without LH, your balls shut down, you become an an emotional wreak b/c of estradiol and the lack of testosterone.

After we stop FIN, 99% of us are emotional, lack libido, inability to maintain erections and it is due to high estrogen. Estrogen has a role in libido just as much as testosterone, but too much estrogen could be blocking the same libido receptors that are used by testosterone.

too much of a rant and i’m going back to why i started with this pct.

If your balls have atrophied, then you have to wake them back up, so I thought about steroid users and their shrunken balls. I can honestly say that i have never thought about another guys balls, but this is the only exception.

This is why i went to steroids.com to research drugs and various Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) protocol. I found Mike Scally and Anthony Roberts PCT articles on meso, so who is right b/c both guys seem to provide great information about the Hypothalmus-Pituitary-Testicular- Axis (HPTA). PCT is used to restore the HPTA back to what it was prior to taking steroids and i figured that one of these programs will work for me.

From my lab work, i’m producing enough LH but I have noticed that i have grape size balls and need to resurrect the atrophy testes. It takes about 2-3 weeks on 250iu to 500 iu HCG, but taking too much will fuck up your balls and screw your pct for months (read meso to find out.) Hcg will create a lot of estrogen and testosterone from your testes, so u need nolvadex to stimulate your brain to produce LH and FSH, resensitize your pituitary to GnRH(makes your brain require less GnRH to produce LH), and block the estrogen receptors (prevents gyno). Using nolva will get your brain use to producing LH and with your balls running at full steam after hcg treatment, so when u taper down on nolva your HPTA should be self sufficient and produce testosterone naturally. With the nolvadex, this is done for 6-16 weeks and i’m on the 8 week program. If the pct fails me than i will seek a longer protocol. Tapering off this drug is the most important part of the pct to avoid estrogen shock and give your body time to adjust to estradiol levels. Users on meso claimed that their libido were affect while on nolvadex, but exponentially increased during the tapering off phase.

I only work 3 days and have 4 days to fuck around, so I have been learning and reading hundreds of web pages about this shit. I’ve looked on this forum for similar protocols, but there isn’t any. Some tried HCG, CLOMID, and NOLVADEX, but have failed. It doesn’t deter me tho because they don’t tell us the combination, dosage, and duration, so i can’t trust their postings. My goal is to document as much as i can and become a resource to people if this ends up working. I’m tired of fin sides and want things back to normal.

Remember, i’m not a doctor so here’s a disclaimer: use this information at your own risk.

Great hypothesis

Unfortunately however, all these hypothesis’ only seem to apply to some people

I for instance have decent LH but poor FSH. I have shinkage to the penis but my balls seem okay.

Excess estrogen though.

monty · May 25, 2018, 6:32am

I have low LH low test and pretty low fsh. Waiting for another blood test to find out about all of those again and E2.

Minimal ED but definately testicular shrinkage.

Funny thing is the longer I withdraw from masterbation the less libido I have and the more shrinkage!

Could this be increase in testosterone causing further aromatisation and less LH production?

Mens_Rea · May 25, 2018, 6:36am

This guy had the right idea but that is a horrible PCT. You NEED an AI in there alongside a SERM and hCG like that. In the absence of same on would have ridiculous estrogen levels which would pretty much ensure no recovery.

I see he was against AI’s as he was worried about using another enzyme inhibitor. Arimidex is very different to finasteride in just about every way, i don’t think those concerns were warranted. Using anything to artificially tweak your hormones isn’t going to be ideal but in certain instances AI’s will prove very important to one’s protocol.

monty · May 25, 2018, 6:37am

It didn’t work for him either. I’ve seen him on meso and he’s still dabbling!

Y-C · May 25, 2018, 6:37am

I think we need to delete Oneday and ScaredinMD recoveries…until we end by deleting all the recoveries section

Mew · May 25, 2018, 6:37am

Can you post a link to where he states he is not recovered, as he has not updated this thread to do so?

monty · May 25, 2018, 6:37am

Sorry it was several months ago I stumbled accross something of his on meso saying something along the lines of running it again but slightly differently.

If I come accross it again in my incessant searching for the answer I surely will post it!

m_81 · May 25, 2018, 6:37am

False. I was on clomid-only, my T was in the 800s (50% higher than my pre-fin T), and my estrogen was as low as 26. My sex hormones all looked great, but I was suffering sexual and mental sides anyway.

Mens_Rea · May 25, 2018, 6:37am

m_81:

Colin297:

This guy had the right idea but that is a horrible PCT. You NEED an AI in there alongside a SERM and hCG like that. In the absence of same on would have ridiculous estrogen levels which would pretty much ensure no recovery.

I see he was against AI’s as he was worried about using another enzyme inhibitor. Arimidex is very different to finasteride in just about every way, i don’t think those concerns were warranted. Using anything to artificially tweak your hormones isn’t going to be ideal but in certain instances AI’s will prove very important to one’s protocol.

False. I was on clomid-only, my T was in the 800s (50% higher than my pre-fin T), and my estrogen was as low as 26. My sex hormones all looked great, but I was suffering sexual and mental sides anyway.

Interesting.

Clearly you went straight past your T/E ratio. Everyone has a sweetspot. Around 240:1 (pmol/L) ratio is a good benchmark from what i gather.