My theory...what binds us all

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#37

Let him the hell say, what he wants to say! Why you musst attack here only the people!

You are realy just a troll and I dont know what you are doing here in this forum, just messing people up! He took time to write it and some things are not totaly wrong, but you belive you know everthing. Get lost!

To finatruth, thanks for sharing your thoughs about this, I think you took time, to think of this and you took time to write it. As I wrote before, my level of DHT has been very high before and my Testo was in the mid range. I think, we alls has been before Fin very sensitiv to androgens, the more we are, the faster we get the sides. Taking fin so long, without any Problems, shows, that something happens to the body, when DHT comes back and this happens in about 1 week to 2 weeks. Yes, and histamin also paly a part in this, but its like the other symptomes, like puer parasympaticus and smypaticus is also messed up. But, I will have a look a deeper look in histamins, before I shout this is all crap. because I dont know that much about histamins. But like i wrote they also play a big part in this.

#38

Thanks brainbug. Aside from high DHT, are you defined by what I believe to be someone with high histamine levels? Social? Outgoing? Politician like? OCD even mild? Life of the party? High energy/intensity? Need to satisfy libido? What range of the DHT scale were you? Very high? Is your personality type extrmeme, perhaps it’s not just high DHT but even higher Histamine for you (ratio) you seem very very intense lol Let me know your thoughts

#39

Brainbug- one more thing…how adversely affected where you? Did you experience /possibly muscle loss in your lower legs/lower arms, did your penis bend to the left, face flushed, sinus problems?

#40

Before Fin I was a real alpha male, horny as hell and I would say very social and good in holding speaches. You can see all my symptoms in my member storry. I lost everywhere muscels not only there and before… I get so easyly more now all gone, I´m weak. But my Libido is nealy like before fin and I get spontanus erektions again, I dont have ED with my GF but she is realy a bombshell!
See, when you belive your histamin levels are very low now, try to boost them somehow, or have a look, If there is a lab that can test it. A antihistamin cured me from my Panikattacks and realy relaxes me, no other drug was able to do this. Even not the strongest relaxing drugs.

#41

Brainbug- wait hold on…rewind…you are telling us that you were calmed down from an anti-histamine?? Thats it!! Your levels must be unbelieveably high for an antihistasmine to have this effect.

Im not saying my histamine is low, its still high…I beleive very high…the problem is my body’s NATURAL response to high histamine…the release of cortisol! Cortisol is not a bad thing, its only bad when it is excessive.

An endocronologist told me that extreme elevated cortisol levels are attributed to only 3 things…(1) excessive amounts of stress and or improper exercising, (2) tumors of the adrenal gland, hypothalamus etc, (3) in response to the vasodialating properties of histamine

#42

I had my cortisol level checked many many times…in the morning and after luch same day…its all normal

#43

Braziliandude- immediately after your crash? Prior to any sort of treatment?

#44

Brazilliandude - also did you suffer the most extreme symptoms? Thinning legs, prominent veins, penis curving etc.

#45

yes yes yes … i still suffer from hardflacid to this day…weird veins all over it…numb as wood…most of my side effects now are physical aside from libido…

#46

Hej Brainburg

Are you still taking antihistamine?

As you now I managed to resolve my sleep side effects and got better erections
whit antihistamine tablets.

#47

Yes, I´m still taking antihistamins. And yes this was the only thing that was able to remove my panik attacks totaly and calmed me down, since im taking it i feel much much better. But some symptomes have not improved by it.

@ sonder, yes im still taking it. my Sleep is great. I dream a lot, verys nice dreams and noctural erektions, even big morning boners.

Like i wrote, i was looking for a thing against my nausea in the moning and found that antihistamins are helping, so, a cool thing 2 Flys with one hit. Sleep and nausea.

#48

Do you think it is okay, taking antihistamine every day?

What about side effects in the long run?

I have som problems with my stomach , maybe because of antihistamine?

#49

It’s possible, there’s so many pathways to think down, the realistic approach would be that it would be due to lack of hormones having bad digestion/stress/ lack of digestive enzymes/ diet…

Who knows, all I know is my digestion was great before propecia. I know alot of guys have improvements using probiotics etc.

“Histamine is an organic nitrogen compound involved in local immune responses as well as regulating physiological function in the gut and acting as a neurotransmitter.[2] Histamine triggers the inflammatory response. As part of an immune response to foreign pathogens, histamine is produced by basophils and by mast cells found in nearby connective tissues. Histamine increases the permeability of the capillaries to white blood cells and some proteins, to allow them to engage pathogens in the infected tissues”

though if i’m correct if your hormones regulate histamines… Fairly sure they would naturally be reduced in correlation?

After reading into this more, I can’t see how propecia can cause a inflammatory response from it’s action. Though i’m open to further information.

#50

@ Braziliandude,
I thought you were almost recovered. You posted that somewhere in the forum.

@ all others,
I took Doxylamine, an antihistamine for my sleep disorder. It helped me. But I was feeling weary/drowsy in the morning. It lasted until midday when I felt normal again.

#51

Brainbug- a few questions. How did you decide to use a antihistamine? Did a doctor prescribe it? Was it elevated doses, basically more than the 10 mg a day, was it claritin or Claritin D, basically if it had the decongestant part that would make you drowsy.

#52

Yes i did…however some symptons are still present…mentally i feel rather fine.

#53

I got some bloodwork done, sure enough, cortisol was 592 [ref 200-620]!!
Testosterone was low at 220 [ref 180 - 600]

any thoughts on getting cortisol down?

#54

You can try 1000mg Vit. C every day, this can lower cortisol levels.

#55

So, I can’t stop thinking about why some of us take the pill 1 time and others of us take it 3,287.25 times (thats me every day for 9 years) until the effects are horrificaly evident. I also can’t stop thinking that the effects of the 1 pill taker and the 3,287.25 taker are nearly identical, except perhaps the severty and extent of the effects. The actual umbrella of PFS is identical. In other words, some people seem only to have brainfog and fatigue but have taken the drug 10 years and someone else may have all the sexual sides w/brainfog and fatigue after just 1 pill. Are we to assume that the longer someone has taken finasteride the worse the effects are? The answer I believe would be no. I can’t subscribe to the belief that overtime the cumulative effects eventually affect someone worse because…well there are just the cumulative effects. I was sharp as a tack (still am) for 9 years, quick thinking, humorous, highly motivated, energetic, extremely intelligent (actually think I got smarter on fin) up until the final moments of taking the pill. So when exactly when did my neurosteroidal degeneration or neurological damage occur? Did it just coincidentally happen to take place out of the blue 9 years later on the same day I quit the drug? Vice versa, are we to believe that one pill has depleted someone’s neurosteroids to the point of complete PFS meltdown? Perhaps it would be that powerful, but then why was I ok for so long? If I have identical symptoms 9 years later to the 1 pill taker than I probably should have had the 1 pill meltdown as well. Ok, so what am I getting at. Perhaps it is not what finasteride has done to us, but other levels/hormones in our body which did not properly adjust to the usage of finasteride. I find it fascinating that finasteride in clinical trials has proven to increase testosterone 10-15% by inhibiting the conversion of Test to DHT. Over the years, my libido and energy actually increased while I was taking finasteride as well. Just read an article on-line about Wayne Rooney and how well he is playing because perhaps finasteride has increased his testosterone levels. There are also anectodal reports on this site and others as well of people benefiting from the use of progesterone and other 5ar inhibitors. This would be counterintuitive to what most of us see as the problem. Also some anectodal reports of at least temporary benefits of taking finasteride again. Imagine this, progesterone is a precursor for testosterone and finasteride increases testosterone production, but at the same time finasteride might affect progesterone production or synthesis which could lead to diminshed testosterone levels (estrogen dominance) Did I survive so long because I may have had low progesterone but my initial spike of testosterone from taking finasteride (even though it may have been low) was at enough of a ratio that I didn’t feel the effects of diminished progesterone levels? In other words, did the inrease levels of finasteride induced testosterone production outweigh any effect that may have taken place with the inhibition of pregesterone/allopreganlone? Again I am assuming, that there is no cumulative effect of finasteride, and that what happens with one administered dose on me happens with one dose to the person affected by one pill. So, when I decided to quit finasteride or become lazy with the 1mg dosing etc, my testosterone drops to the same level as the person who has taken just one pill. So now what? I experience low testosterone from the drop in finasteride, and the neurosteroidal depleted affect (which presumably happened with the first pilll I every took but I never knew about) I have a friend who took finasteride for about 4 years and discontinued the usage about 3 years ago. He has been freaking out it since he has seen what has happened to me. He decided to get his testosterone checked and it was 200! He says he feels great though and doesn’t understand why he doesnt feel the effects of such low levels. Just food for thought

#56

or you can try relaxing.