Before putting yourself through all that again how about getting a blood test for it?
Costs £79 from a UK lab. I won’t be going through any brutal diet like that until i know for sure i’m making inroads on recovery (i.e. that i actually have a yeast/fungal infection)
Well not starving to death but constantly hungry. It’s not until you’re on a strict diet that you realise how disciplined you have to be. Normally I get in from work and have a sandwich or a bowl of cereal or a banana, bit of cheese, anything really - all no-no’s. Everything has to be prepared and thought about. Breakfasts are the worst part.
Think I’ll save the money for medication.
Thick white coating on tongue.
Constant fatigue. Not tiredness - proper fatigue.
Dry cracked skin.
Flatulence.
Constipation and/or loose stools.
Mucus in stools.
It’s candida alright. My endo appt is in 3 weeks. I have a high TSH and want T3/RT3 testing. With me I think a lot of it is adrenal/thyroid related = autoimmune = high risk of candida.
I actually find it really easy to avoid sandwiches/ cheese. I eat eggs for breakfast, the only thing I have let myself down on is dairy in yogurts (pro biotic yogurts) and vodka.
3 letter word… its called EGG…
Update.
I’ve quit arimidex cold turkey in light of previous estrogen reading. I haven’t taken any in over a week now and honestly i feel no differently with or without it. Crazy, right? I’m getting another estrogen reading taken this week to see where i am wit that.
But that’s arimidex finished for now. I’m currently implementing a few new things:
Yep, that’s right. Preg. I’m currently experimenting with dosage. Preg is the one thing that has helped me before so im confident in it’s utility. Last time i used 1% stuff, this time i have strong stuff so i will be able to give myself more potent (but still low top-up dosages) dosages to guage how it is helping. I will consider incorporating T3 at some stage if i feel this is necessary. To merit this i will get a good set of bloods next month. Chilln reckons that preg can stop working when you use up all your thyroid hormones which are necessary for appropriate absorption of preg. We’ll see how that turns out for me; i remain open minded.
I’ve been thinking alot about this whole thing the past couple of days.
It’s the shrinkage / penile tissue change that has really messed with my head. ED is one thing but physical changes is another. It just feels more…permanent. My penis just isn’t the same, flaccid its much more narrow and impoverised than before and this girth loss is just as obvious when erect. The dead feeling just seems like it’s the new norm.
I’m throwing the kitchen sink at this whole thing but sometimes i think 100% recovery is impossible. I’d take 90% but even that seems far away. Something seems to have died inside me. I recall the sexual urges, sensation and throbbing erections i used to get and i just couldn’t be further away from all of that.
Sometimes i just look at my penis and wonder WTF is wrong with my body. The size flutuates but almost always it’s much smaller than pre-fin. I still get the odd penis pain which proves there is still something not right.
It’s the fluctations that encourage me. But i’ve never even came close to 100% since i stopped fin, unlike many others.
This whole thing is really starting to take its toll. It’s literally on my mind morning, noon and night.
Got my estrogen, FSH and LH levels taken today.
2 weeks off arimidex, will be interesting to see if my levels have recovered from <50 pmol/L (I.E. “no trace”). Either way i don’t care much about the T/E levels right now; It’s got pretty clear that it mattered little what T/E ratio i had, i didn’t feel much different. I’m more interested in the other hormones right now namely Reverse T3 etc.
Strangely the arimidex pushed my testosterone up for several weeks before it started affecting the estrogen. It was these initial few weeks that i felt some improvements. I find that interesting and for this reason i’ll keep clomid in mind. Maybe I might need very high levels of testosterone to feel normal now. I’ll maybe revisit this line of thought in a few months.
Still on the preg. No real changes yet, i just made up my own stuff there last night: Approximately 7.5% TD pregnenolone. I sucked it up into a syringe. Job well done. Going to apply approx 50g 3 times a day for a the next week or two and see how that feels.
I’m also thinking of throwing proviron into the mix as some point.
It was affecting your E2, but your body tried to keep the original E2 level (weird). Therefore, it increased T by the amount that was reduced by arimidex
Good stuff. Under your dr’s supervision, you may want to consider taking a higher dose, until you get spacey feelings (which would indicate too high pregnenolone). People are very different: some need a few 10s mg to get them, some a few 100s.
Latest oestradiol result
245 pmol/L (<156)
WTFFFFFF
Doctor wants to speak to me.
This is fucking ridiculous. With readings like that, I’m running out of answers.
Youre wasting your time with hormone modulation therapy…Its not getting you anywhere, and it hasnt gotten anyone anywhere yet…
What? There’s been “recoveries” from:
Arimidex (Italian case)
AIFM (An AI…“1750”)
Synthyroid (Fuckfin)
Hcg (Trickster)
Preg + T3 (JN)
and others on steroid boards and yahoo boards.
Not sure what you mean.
Yea its called luck, nearly everyone else has has zero success with them…
Sorry man, your attitude downright stinks.
Yes, luck, in the sense they hit the nail on the head with the right treatment. JN’s was after countless other efforts, for instance.
This is extremely difficult to do but as i said, JN is proof that it can be done. I wish to follow those footsteps, you can do nothing if you so wish.
My attitude is not great, nor is my mood, but why do you think guys like Shippen/jacobs have not cured a single person with hormone modulation therapy… that is a telling sign…Which just further makes me believe it is a prostate issue…which that should be your focus for right now imo.
Things are seriously out of kilter. I’m with Toadstool on this one.
Hope you get it all figured out.
Upon reflection it looks like pregnenolone isn’t working for me. I have varied the dosages and spoken to Chilln in in-depth detail about things.
The reason for this, appears to be a rather complicated one but here goes:
The pregnenolone is converting, primarily down the testosterone hormonal chain (pushing up my estrogen!) instead of the cortisol hormonal chain as mainly intended. This is the exception rather than the norm and attributes to highly upregulated 17α hydroxylase enzymes. This would explain my constantly high T/E/DHT and my early hairloss. I anticipate that my progesterone levels read as low but i STILL await confirmation of this.
See below:
By my interpretation, i’ve got a natural imbalance that fin has massively accentuated, in that not enough of my pregnenolone “the grand-mother of all hormones” converts down the progesterone path but instead down the DHEA pathway predominantly. You’ll notice other interesting derivatives there such a allopregnenolone… This all explains why my aldosterone is through the floor.
This means i need to supplement progesterone instead of preg. This becomes difficult; preg is safer than prog and easier to guage dosage. Prog, not so much. That said, when there’s a will there’s a way.
I’ve now did many hours of research on progesterone and it’s massively interesting. I’ve read that there is an absolutely critical balance between four key hormones:
T/DHT/E2/Progesterone. If i am high all the first three (all out of range high!!) but very low in prog (awaiting confirmation), then there’s huge imbalance pressuring my entire body.
Optimum progesterone levels will maintain healthy balance with E2 and DHT. It lowers both and should help libido markedly.
Here is an interesting thread on Dr Crisler’s forum about progesterone:
musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?15476-Safe-uses-of-Progesterone
Read if you’re interested. There are many good studies in it showing just how useful progesterone supplementation can be.
Just so people don’t think i’ve lost the plot. Dr Thierry Hertoghe, one of the top guys, who recognises PFS but takes fin himself, found he had soaring e2 levels courtesy of fin. To control this he takes (took?) 100mg oral micronized progesterone ED which works a charm. This is far from a blind alley.
Anyway, i won’t be acting on this atleast until i attain confirmation of my prog levels. I could be in for a surprise.
On a side note, for now, given my ridiculous e2 levels, i’ve felt the need to experiment with an interim measure which i feel is a good idea. I feared developing gyno or something. Small amounts of proviron (as opposed to going back on arimidex) daily…half a tablet (12.5mg). I’ve been doing this for 4 or 5 days now and have noticed subtle but definate improvement in all areas (semen more watery though but white…strange). I’m going to do this for 30 days and see where it takes me. Watching other people’s experiences with proviron it seems their positive effects were short lived, so i’ve tried a smaller dose to hopefully aid some sort of more sustainable improvement. We’ll see how that goes.
Lastly, i gave up the spinach diet. Had to be done. Almost 3 weeks of it without any improvements. Worth a try, though!
are you doing it in combo with t3 as he suggests?
Haven’t decided on that. I have T3 at my disposal. He suggests much higher doses of prog than i intend though, so given that and the fact i have decent levels of T3 and Free T3 i might begin without. Ideally i would have my Reverse T3 reading before making that decision, though. Not sure what my endo is playing at with it.
Just got my progesterone reading back
AT LONG LAST…
just had it read over the phone…
< 2.0 nmol/L
No range given. It was relayed to me through my endo that it’s “normal” and there is no real range for men. I’ve read up and the ranges i can find are:
< 3.18 nmol/L
and
0.7 - 4.3 nmo/L
seemingly im on the lower range of “normal”. That wouldn’t be an issue if for the fact that ive got rocket sky high DHT/E2 and T. I’m not sure how congruent this reading is with my theory. It definately fits to some extent, but particularly given the lack of exact reading, it’s not an exact science. But im quickly learning that this whole thing is anything but an exact science.
When i get my prog i’ll be starting low and going from there.
I’ve been reading alot about the prostrate. I believe the connection with it is massive.
Thing is, my “prostrate problems” were induced indirectly (i.e. via DHT inhibition) and they ultimately got worse gradually after going off finasteride. This is when my hormonal profile reads as a “perfect” environment for the prostrate to become inflammed. High E2 AND high DHT. Both out of range high. Progesterone will balance both. I could be on to a winner.
This is why i must try this before going to Greece or suchlike. Fixing the prostrate is one thing but if i continue to have (potentially) artificially elevated DHT and E2 there would be a high liklihood of these problems coming back again. It mightn’t fix the root problem. Solonjk will no doubt disagree, but my case may be different. Note: no crash, slow decline post-fin for me, continued to lose hair, clear high E2 and DHT.
I pray to God prog is the answer. I don’t doubt the difficultly of dosage but this could be the answer.