Ok i reckon its about time i made one of these just to keep a tab on my own “progress”.
I’m going to break convention and do things in an abbreviated summary. Personally i find the other thing too hard to read…
- I’m 25 years old. Took fin due to hairloss. No other medical problems or medication of any kind.
- I took finasteride for 1 year (Jan 08-March 09). Finpecia sourced online.
- I had taken it for about 6 months (on and off) back in 06/07. I only got slight ball ache first time only.
- It took me a year to realise my libido was dipping.
- Since i went off it, things just got worse but no “crash” just a gradual decline
- My hairloss has been constant before during and after fin.
- I stopped COLD TURKEY on 17th March 2010. Almost a year off now.
Sides (all sexual):
- Low libido. Close to zero.
- Watery semen
- Penis pain (atrophy - loss of girth, mainly). Pain has abated but i think this is due to penis shrinkage (there now is enough androgens floating around to nourish my newly sized member!!)
- Weak erections (very weak at times)
Bloods (i’ve had 3 sets of bloods they’re all similar to this):
So clearly i have low cortisol (this is only one reading though, morning, but hadnt eaten breakfast which might actually have left it alot lower than it otherwise may have bee… I also have low ACTH. my main issues seem to be estrogen (and SHBG, maybe). I think my FSH is low due to the pituitary being suppressed due to excessive estrogen levels. Anyway, interpret as you will but my interpretation is that my cortisol production might have been downregulated and there is potential adrendal deficiency. Not completely sure this is directly related to the estrogen inbalance or not, though. My sexual sides all come from this estrogenic dominance IMO.
WHAT I’VE DONE SO FAR:
Thus far ive had an MRI and an adrendal response test (synacthen…ACTH stimulation test). Both came back fine. I’ve dabbled with 10mg ED of cialis to some success but don’t want to become reliant on it.
I’ve tried all supplements really (Zinc, DIM, Vitamin D3, Trib, L-arginine, HGW etc etc). The only one of any real use to me is L-arginine and even that’s minimal so i pretty much gave them all up apart frmo a bit fo Vitamin E every now and again.
I’m going to be trying a short course of aromasin (small doses) to see how i respond to this. Weekly bloods. I intend to then taper off it very gentle whilst monitoring if my levels are staying in tact. Obviously this isnt an exact science but bloods and being reactive to my body will help my chance of some success. I’m very aware that having had sky high estrogen for over a year is not good for the body whaseover and i need to reactify this (Even if im doing to unnaturally). The hope here is that i bring my E2 into a healthy range which will allow other things to normalise - and hopefully break any negative feedback loop that has been decaying my endoctrine system for 2 years.
I’m also considering clomid in small doses. Also, i intend to start doing more weight lifting and stuff during and after treatment.
I’m also going to get more in-depth cortisol tests done. I’m waiting on a DHT and new ACTH reading to come through. The cortisol testing includes 4 saliva tests in one day. After that my endo is considering giving me an insulin resistence test. So this should give me a really good indication where we are in respect to all of this. That should mark almost all bases covered. We have discussed potential hydrocortisone therapy (very much hypothetical at this point).
I’m confident i can recover to a good level and hopefully live a normal life. So far its just left my sexual performance much lower than it should be but im not in a relationship. I do think i could “get by” even if i was in a relationship - with the assistance of cialis and maybe levitra!
I believe it’s a matter of working towards what works for you, personally. The power of postive thinking will help because it gives us an impetus to keep working on things.
My high testosterone levels certainly encourage me, as do lack of mental sides. I never crashed. I believe i am in a homonal negative feedback loop. I’m young and i feel my body can rectify this with a little push and the most important thing of all - TIME. I do think there is potentially something rather complicated that has originally caused all of this but we can’t simply conclude irreversable damage considering - in my case - i slowly got worse instead of any crash. Even with a crash though, I do believe the endoctine system in almost all cases can be repaired to appreciable levels.
Anyway, thanks for reading guys. I’ll try to keep this relatively up to date however I won’t be speaking much about my treatments until after ive made conclusions on their success. I think the reasons for this are clear.