Doubtful since ive supplemented zinc at varying different levels for various different periods without any real benefit. Seems unlikely i have high copper if i interpret that. Could be wrong but the trial and error element is inevitable.
Been on about 8mg of copper for the past three days and ive also been back on TD prog.
We’ll see how this pans out but ive felt a clear and immediate boost in my sexual performance. I was able to drink alcohol last night and my penis size remained as normal and my sex afterwards was fine (usually with drink these days i lose another 10-20% erection quality). Very early days but i think theres something in these and hoepfully they can drive me towards a slow recovery.
Will update in a few weeks.
great to hear sir. Keep us updated sir.
Aren’t you best doing one at a time? (ironic coming from me, i know)
Maybe but neither are exactly hugely evasive treatments. Plus, i think that alot of people who have recovered happened to find things that work together and progressively towards a better state that promotes a slow recovery.
We’ll see. I’m sure ill be trying various other things over the next six months.
Yeah but for all you know the copper could be doing nothing and the progesterone everything or vice versa. Once you stop you won’t know which to try again. Taking copper and taking progesterone are two completely different treatments and therefore if you making any improvements you won’t know whether it was the progesterone replacing hormones or the copper solving heavy metal imbalance.
Good luck anyway. You certainly have all bases covered; over masturbation, the marshall protocol, heavy metal imbalances, bioavailable hormones 
My recent body temperature readings are definately improved from a few months back.
My last few readings were - 36.6, 35.7 and 36.4. Not too long ago i was getting much lower readings - consistently. This is congruent with my general albeit relatively mild, improvements. I feel pretty good.
Take take copper - i mix it up. Some days i take little or none, others i take 6-8mg. Same with zinc. Im not sure if it’s a big helper either way but it might be a tiny piece of the jigsaw. Im still taking 3 pumps of progesterone each day and will continue this.
I feel quite good. Operating sexually at about 75-80% which is enough to get by and live a normal life. Lets hope that sustains and even continues to slowly improve.
I attribute my basic improvements primarily to time and improvements in life style. I still dont have the cleanest of diets or anything but ive cut down on the alcohol and now go two weeks in a row without any alcohol quite frequently. Previously i was on a consistent binge of atleast once per week. I think it was definately a compounding factor (not a root cause but something holding back my body’s natural ability to recover).
Will report back in another while.
Sorry i should correct myself. Being honest with myself im closer to 70% thatn 80% but obviously it’s difficult to quantify.
Ok guys just a quick update.
I’m currently taking nothing. I take a bit of copper or zinc here and there but for all intents and purposes ive been on nothing for a few months now. I seem to do just as well - without the hassle attached to complicated protocols.
Unlike many on here i dont have any wild fluctuations really. Things are very stable with my condition for the most part. I’m glad of that because it makes it easier for my to guage my position.
Anyway, I still believe im slowly recovering. Emphasis on the slowly though. I don’t think ill ever be 100% but i kind of gave up on that quite a while ago (realistically).
I pop the odd cialis which seems to give me a decent boost, too. For instance, at the weekend i was able to have very good sex multiple times with my girlfriend. I’ve definately lost size and rigidness but ive still enough to be relatively “normal”. My semen still isn’t 100% but it’s so much better than when i bottomed out a year ago (it looked like pre-cum).
Considering from March 2010 (when i stopped fin) to December 2010 i continued on a downward spiral whereby 9 months after cessation i was getting worse and worse (shooting pains in my penis, massive variation of my erect size [one point my penis was fully “erect” but was literally half the girth and just over half the length it should have been], severe ED, poor quality ejaculate etc etc) i really thought that if my body didn’t turn things around my life would be destroyed. Somehow it has - slowly, and i guess im grateful for small mercys.
Furthermore, I explained everything to my girlfriend and she has been amazing. She actually works for a local pharmaceutical complany so was very sympathetic and believes me 100%. She even look it upon herself to look it up and she found various articles and stuff (just the basis stuff that we already know). She said she thinks im a great lover and wouldn’t even have noticed. If only i had met her pre-fin, eh?! So i guess that’s something off my mind.
So what next? I plan on trying to encourage this slow natural recovery over the course of 2012. I might dabble with pregenenolone again to see if it gives me any helpful boosts. I believe in relatively small, therapeutic doses over a long duration to help baby the body back into normality. There has been few tangible recoveries from people trying evasive therapies so i think i will remain on my own path .
One last thing - ive definately cut my drinking down over the last 6/7 months. Ive no doubt whatsoever that this has helped de-stress my body and encourage a natural recovery.
Will update in another few months, hopefully with more good news.
I also told my girlfriend recently. The moment just feel right. I was amazed, because what seemed like a MASSIVE deal to me meant so little to her. She asked a few questions, I could see her weighing it up in her mind, then she basically went past it. It’s moments like this that make me realise that women truly are bloody awesome. Good one mate, definitely the way to go!
This is what my gf did:
- Said “I’m glad you told me, especially if it’s been bothering you”…“I care a lot”
- The next day she looked it up and found a few articles (e.g. the BBC article)
- Then came back to me, we spoke a bit more and she just said “any problem, we can sort together” etc but reiterated that i seemed fine to her but that she understood that it’s the type of thing where you know your own body.
- She then added if at any time things arent functioning the way they should i should just say - that it wouldn’t be a big deal, she loves me etc
So, although i didn’t like “legitimising” the problem by telling her, im glad I did. That said, i still reckon when things are bad I’d be affected just as much with or without support (that’s just the way i am, i guess).
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Well guys, the wheel keeps spinning.
No major changes. I’m generally sexually able when my girlfriend is around. Some days are decent while others are more subpar, but overall i can always achieve some sort of half decent erection (i think my standards really dipped after bottoming out over a year ago though!!)…
Anyway, im intrigued by IHP’s story - i had been following it all along and i believe there’s something in it. My high sugar and generally poor diet could definitely be a aggravating factor for PFS. I’m trying to reverse this into a high water, high protein and low sugar diet. Lent begins this week so hopefully that can kick start things.
I’ve just ordered magnesium and fake natural sugar (to help me kick the sugar addiction). Oh, i’ve stopped the preg for now btw. It can affect positively my penis flaccid size for some reason but overall im stable with or without it.
Well,
I’ve been off sugar all week. Doing it with relative ease so far. About time i cut the fizzy drinks, sweets, chocolate and sugar in my tea out tbh. I’ve replaced sugar with “xylitol” in terms of what i use for my tea - it’s just as nice, surprisingly!!
Anyway, early days yet - i think im in this one for the long haul (although i expect a few blips). After just 3/4 days i masturbated. Not much difference in erection, stimulation etc but my prostrate volume was exceptional and the quality was quite good. I’ve taken great heart from this.
Today however ive had dull prostate pains. Haven’t had this in a little while and certainly not for such a sustained length. This is almost surely due to my diet change. I came across this - prostate-massage-and-health.com/sugar.html - not sure if this applies or not but it’s certainly food for thought.
I suppose i’ll need to keep at it for a sustained period to draw any real conclusions.
In other news - my body temp has really improved over the past few months. I believe this alone is indicative of some substantial progress in my health generally (Post fin). My temp tonight read at 36.4oC. I checked my 13 year old brother’s and his was 36.3oC. I can conclude that I’m quite normal in this department right now (probably a little low if i followed it all day every day in comparison to someone else) and that ive recovered alot in this area.
Will keep ya’ll updated.
Still off the sugar. Going well, hasn’t been anywhere near as hard as i thought - as soon as i broke the mental barrier it’s all been plain sailing, really.
At the weekend my prostrate region was really playing up. By that i mean i had dull aches for hours on end. Weird. Maybe it was because i’ve been starving the infection/inflammation/bacteria/pathogens (who really knows?!) from sugar? Anyway, it’s all back to normal and i continue to see where this takes me.
Now received my magnesium caps:
I’m taking 800mg ED.
This is all I’m currently taking. Au natural.
Why am i taking magnesium? Two reasons: because it’s good as dietary supplement for anyone, particularly someone with PFS. But also because i had microcalcifications showing up from my testicle ultrasound and apparently magnesium, over time, is the only thing that can break these calcifications down. Interesting. Not to mention id bet i have some in and around the prostrate too, so if im able to help erode these over time then long term magnesium “therapy” is a smart and practical approach for my future health.
How do i feel? Fine. No crazy busts of libido or anything but i feel good enough not to have PFS on my mind. Able to masturbate or have sex whenever i want, decent noctural erections and the odd spontaneous one’s too. Long way to go but i believe I’m naturally improving and im perhaps expediting this process with my current strategy.
Finally, my temperatures have been excellent the past while - all around 36.4-36.6oC. Hope that continues. Given they were a full 1oC lower just 4 or 5 months ago really shows ive made some tangible improvements at least in this respect.
Back in a few weeks.
Have had a few “off” days. I’ve a long way to go yet, guys.
Right now im still off sugar - although no doubt i break this unintentionally here and there as sugar is in almost everything. I’m taking alot more fruit and veg. I’ll continue this healthly streak indefinately alongside:
Magnesium daily: 400-800mg
Zinc: 50mg every week day.
Vitamin D : 10,000ui’s E2D
I believe the key is progressive improvement so i intend on keeping this regime atleast until the end of this year.
Thanks for the updates.
Would you say that Progesterone had no benefits? and do you know a cheap source for transdermal stuff?
What temperature are you talking about? Basal temp, before getting out of bed, or during the day? Armpit, oral, anal? Thanks
I just came back to this thread to add that i forgot the most important detail. I’ve decided to stop masturbating for a prolonged period. I’ve tried this halfheartedly before but this time I’m serious. I don’t really care what half this board thinks of the whole sexual exhaustion thing because as far as i can see the next biggest group of guys with similar - identical sexual symptoms to us are those who complain of SE.
Essentially i wish to give my body a chance to slowly recover whilst putting the least stress on it as possible in tandem with building up my vital nutrient levels to a constantly healthy level (magnesium, zinc) etc. I believe this will help but i believe it will take time, just like how fin slowly fucked me over time.
No real tangible benefits mate, no.
I bought mine on biovea.com - some decent deals there.
Oral. Armpit also but this tends to be slightly lower.
Well ive read the temp is best taken in the middle of the day - im usually around 36.4oC in the middle of the day. Usually quite good at night too. A little low in the morning as expected.
You will be interested to read this thread and other similar ones mate. Basically hundreds of normal guy’s preaching the benefits of giving up masturbation. Some of them are literally saying that it has changed there lives. So maybe a good thing to approach even if it does not help with the PFS symptoms.
Cool, thanks i’ll have a read now.
If you read the SE forum you’ll quickly see that symptoms like eye floaters etc can be due to a deficiency in certain key area which excessive masturabtion can certainly be a cause. Now, I dont think we necessarily reached the symptoms the same way but that doesn’t necessarily mean we can’t benefit from treating them the say way (i.e. stressing the body less while it heals - basic science).
In that thread you posted its just normal guys feeling the benefits but guys like us can feel 10x the benefits. Not for everyone, of course.