JustQuitDut, I feel it’s important to comment here for a number of reasons…
- What you speak about has been known for a very long time, that PFS causes estrogen dominance and that 5ar damage is at the root of PFS.
- The treatment items you mention are not a ‘cure’ that you can lay claim to. Do they help? Of course they do. Should you take credit for a discovery? No.
- Coming across with claims of a “cure” only serves to discredit yourself unfortunately, and invite criticism, which explains your frustration in ‘trying to convince’ others. But your heart is in the right place.
- Anyone, not just you, using the words ‘Cure’ or ‘Recovered’ while they are STILL ON TRT/HRT, or handfuls of vitamins/supplements, or on CDNuts program with diet, exercise, tboosters or any other protocol is not exactly helping others to believe what you claim.
Let’s be clear, and I think most would agree, that a qualified ‘RECOVERY’ or being ‘CURED’ could only be validated IF:
- You have labs, before and after to compare.
- You have STOPPED taking all prescriptions, vitamins, supplements, treatment protocols and products mentioned as part of a recovery plan.
- You have a set of labs taken a few MONTHS after step #2, AND these labs come back as normal, AND you are not experiencing any more side effects.
Now this section is where I will validate what JUSTQUITDUT is talking about because HE IS NOT WRONG, just maybe a little disorganized and unaware that others have good results on TRT/HRT like his.
All this is based on my own experience, spanning 2.5 years, and what I’ve learned from Dr. Irwin Goldstein and years of my own research and trials. I cannot claim that ALL men require these things to recover. Age, Hormonal Profile, Lifestyle and Attitude are all variables in this equation. (Another way of saying everyone is different)
After having failed at initial TRT plan, I tried the natural route with CDNuts protocol, and watched my T and DHT plummet back down to low levels, I was convinced this plan was not enough for MY situation but I cannot deny the other numerous benefits obtained. So I went back to Dr. Goldstein and started TRT again, at lower doses, and it’s working. Note: I have EIGHT sets of labs over 2.5yrs, all charted and graphed.
[Size=4]This is what is working for me, and why:[/size]
Testosterone- injections at .40ml weekly(target is 600 to 700 for my T level)
-Lower dose works best because PFS causes androgen resistance. (Dr. Goldstein tried higher doses on me initially and it failed to raise DHT at the same rate as T, so he changed his treatment to include DHT and T at lower doses, with AI and HCG)
DHT- whether it’s topical (Andractim) DHTCream, Oral (Proviron), Injectable (Masterdon), or Prohormones (AlphaHard) are necessary if your DHT is low, AND/OR your T to DHT ratio is not optimal. DHT promotes the generation of more 5ar.
Note that ALL of these are viable options. Just pick one. I have cycled AlphaHard but currently on low doses of Andractim daily.
[b]Aromatase Inhibitor-/b is necessary to get Estrogen under control and to counter the effects of exogenous Testosterone which WILL convert to Estrogen. DHT will NOT convert to Estrogen by the way, so the primary reason it’s needed is 1) Using topical T or intramuscular T injections. Also, if you have a lot of body fat, this is where ESTRONE is stored which ultimately converts to Estradiol (Estrogen), another reason to use an AI. I take 1mg of Anastrazole once a week, and I also take DIM in between.
HCG-Is necessary to counter the effects of testicle ‘shutdown and shrinkage’ which will occur if you are on TRT. Ask any bodybuilder. HCG is also necessary to retain fertility. So if you plan to have kids in the future, don’t skip out on HCG. I inject .25ml twice a week.
All of the above is not just ‘my opinion’ and I do not lay claim to having found a so-called ‘cure’.
I can only say with emphasis that THIS WORKS VERY WELL and I’ve done this under the supervision of a very experienced Sex Med Doc with repeated lab tests.
TRT/HRT should be a CORE part of a recovery plan assuming you have really low T, low DHT and high Estrogen and body fat.
The remaining things to do involve your diet, fasting, cleansing, exercise and avoiding Gluten, Sugar and Alcohol until you get better.
It’s important to note: These ‘remaining things’ can have a dramatic effect on your body and will PREPARE your body to be more receptive to the TRT/HRT as well as improve the ability for your digestive system to ABSORB nutrients from foods, vit/supps MUCH better. Think of it as a ‘reboot’. In my opinion, DO THIS FIRST, then TRT/HRT.
The only area I have not pursued yet is Thyroid levels, but this is next on the list. My labs are low or at the lower end of the ranges for Thyroid function. I’m currently taking body temp readings over a period of days before meeting with a new Endo doc in November to discuss. And yes, I’ve experienced very low body temps.
I hope this helps clarify what JustQuitDut is trying to get across, and that he is right in many areas.
But please wait until you have a qualified and proven recovery as mentioned above BEFORE using words like ‘cure’ or ‘recovery’. All of this is a work in progress and takes time. And yes, you can see major improvements in a short period of time which is fine to share on PH, just try to restrain your exuberance and just enjoy the benefits. Posting claims of cures will turn people off or cause even more skepticism.
