Hi all, I may be getting banned from here, I don’t know, I want to thank you all, I found a lot of help here and I feel I made some friends. I will be taking a break from here and returning in a few months hopefully by then with a final protocol I can share and help you guys with. I’m on the other forum, that is more for guys like me who are trying hormonal protocols. I apologize to you all if my posts have been disrupting to this forum. Anyone who wants to reach me can find me on the solvepfs forum. Or contact me and I’ll give you my email.
I will come and check on posts from time to time assuming I’m not banned, stay strong, together we can defeat this. I will return and when I do, I will have a working protocol, that I promise, I am close.
Goodbye my friends.
I’ll come back to check private messages if my account is not banned and I can, thanks Mew for all you have done for the cause, and all of you.
Hi everyone, I don’t know how many here like me and hate me, but I get messages of support when I try to leave. I apologize for the way I have come across, this is my first forum and pfs has changed me a bit, so perhaps I have not been the best poster. I know that many of you appreciate my theories and experiments and input. I don’t want to be disliked, but I also don’t want to deprive this forum of my research and experiences and experiments.
I am willing to remain here and post less opinion and less frequently and stick to my protocols and experiences. Currently I have pfs under control with hormones (including dht), I have it in remission, I am waiting a month or 2 to post my protocol and conclusions.
Please post here if you would like me to stay or like me to leave. Again, I apologize for coming off as arrogant or whatever, my heart is in the right place. I just am coming from the view of trying to fix this and share what I figure out.
I am working with another user named Eden and he also has been experimenting for years though, please post your messages of support or desire for me to leave or perhaps advice on how to be a better poster.
Thanks
I vote to keep justquitdut on the forum.
Anyone else who feels they also benefit from his experiences please reply here to keep his membership active.
If anyone has a major issue with his posts all they need to do is not read them.
It’s like a tv show that you don’t like… Click and it’s off.
Also anyone here who is in favor of seeing him stay email mew and express support for seeing his membership stay active.
Considering the effects Propecia has on mental faculties, we ALL should show some understanding and compassion for each other and our styles of communication. I offer proof; just read my older posts to newer posts and decide for yourself if you notice a major difference/improvement over time. I sure have. No need to take anything personal or doubt yourself, it’s hard enough just making it to the next day.
Even so, it’s hard to understand why anyone in the same ‘suffer boat’ would choose to do battle over opinion or experiences when we ALL have the same freakin’ goal of restoration!!!
Thanks for your support towm8er, I enjoy coming here, it helps me a lot when there is no one else to talk to who has PFS, I feel I am really close to a protocol that can keep me at 90% or more consistently, that is what I am working on and will share it when I am certain after a couple months. I want to help you guys, I know you are afraid to use hormones, but I am not, and when I have my final protocol and it works consistently, you guys can make that choice.
Thanks for your support 5 alpha, I just read this long post from you talking about DHEA and asking where I buy Sorghum extract and I can’t find the post, I looked everywhere, can you link me to that post so I can re-read and respond to you?
By the way, I am almost onto the perfect protocol, getting into DHT was a great idea.
UPDATE: I am starting to have significant improvements from Proviron (DHT pill). It is too soon to say anything, but I wanted to post where I am for those following me. It seems that HCG, HGH(Sermorelin/GHRP2/GHRP6) AND DHT are all important together. I know can quickly and fully reverse PFS crashes and prevent them as well. The crashes caused by Testosterone seem to be estrogen dominance, rather than use an anti-estrogen, I am using DHT (which is a natural anti-estrogen). HGH regulates 5AR activity, and all reports of PFS users from HGH have been positive, but straight HGH will desensitize you, the Sermorelin/GHRP2/GHRP6 uses your own which is regulated by your autonomic system.
The key in all this is dosage, too much of anything and one could easily think none of this works, the common mistake PFS sufferers (I believe) have made is that they need more of everything. I do not believe this is androgen receptor desensitizing, as if that were true, higher doses of hormones would work and lower doses would not. Yet in me and in several other PFS sufferers I have read from and talked to, lower doses of hormones have a positive response. This is consistent with my theory that this problem is basically running out of 5AR enzymes, followed by a rise in estrogen as there aren’t enough 5AR enzymes to reduce the test to DHT.
While low DHT is a side effect of this syndrome, the root cause are the actions of the 5AR enzymes and their functions. It is difficult to test for this in blood tests as the problem with PFS is that the hormones fluctuate a lot, being that I am on HRT, I have a clearer picture of what is doing what, and what is causing what, and what is happening. When Estrogen dominance occurs, I not only can feel it, but I can see it, when the 5AR enzymes stop my oily skin stops, Estrogen rises, my face starts getting puffy from water retention, and my pumped up muscles (from testosterone) just get smaller.
I am extremely androgenic sensitive, I may be the only PFS sufferer who took Avodart to treat oily skin caused by overactive 5AR enzymes. I was on FInasteride for 13 years and stopped it when I started Avodart, PFS started the day I took Avodart, I just did not know it as I had a lot of DHT in my system left. It took a week for it to deplete and for me to crash.
I am still working on this protocol and waiting for my Andractim to come, I have read lots of positive stuff about Andractim and PFS sufferers. Till it arrives I must make due with what I have, but DHT definitely helps with PFS in my opinion, the question is the dose, and the other hormones must be present too. Too little Estrogen and you have PFS like symptoms, too little test, same thing, too little DHT etc… So I am developing a protocol that works on the idea of giving the body a dose of everything, and letting the body regulate over the course of the week (but I think HGH is essential for that regulation, which is what makes my case unique to others).
That is a theory, it may be that every day these hormones must be taken at a certain dose, this is a serious condition, a treatment maybe as tedious as a diabetes treatment. Right now I have PFS in remission, but I live like a diabetic (with constant injections and checking symptoms), but I have all the emotion, sexual, physical symptoms under control. I am still in experimental phases, remember that all this could crash, but I don’t think so, since I learned how to reverse a PFS crash, I haven’t crashed. No one has tried DHT, HGH, and HCG together but me, the HCG seems to have a significant role. I ran out of HCG and let it go not thinking it mattered, but it did very much so, and injecting it gave me a huge boost of everything.
Throughout my thread here, one thing is consistent, HCG always makes me feel better, I never should have listened to the people on this forum who said DHT didn’t work. They are the same people who said Testosterone doesn’t work, it all works, but it doesn’t work right, and that means the rules of the game have to be changed.
I also want to add that I am progressively gaining more muscle, and improving, I am not sure if that is due to my protocols becoming better and better, or the constant androgen stimulation. I definitely believe running androgens through the body is essential, Eden quit all his hormones to start with a new Endo who made him, when he stopped for a long time, things got worse for him and when he restarted they were not the same. I believe that hormones should be pumped through the body, like blood through an organ to keep it alive.
The one study done on PFS about Penile skin being different in PFS sufferers from non-PFS sufferers, the researchers theorized that the differences were due to androgen deprivation. Just check the study, and read it, if anyone has it, post it here. There haven’t been many PFS studies done, I will keep you guys up to date, but I am becoming more optimistic. People who constantly tell others not to go on hormones here are doing a great injustice to PFS sufferers in my opinion. Yes HRT can make you feel worse if you don’t know how to do it correctly with PFS, it took me 5 to 6 months to figure out how (and I am still working on it).
I can now go out at night with friends and feel normal and look normal, it may require injections and pills, but quite frankly, HRT did too, just not as much. I am working on an easier treatment, but all of this is still experimental. Don’t worry though, if I get this thing completely under control, I will make sure to come here and tell everyone (if I am still allowed to come here at that time).
UPDATE! I am starting to recover again from this protocol I am on, it includes high doses of HCG, HCG has a big role in this, I just have to figure out, how much and when and why. I think it is a combo of everything, I found lower doses of Proviron worked better, I am currently on a protocol that has me at 90%, rock hard erections, muscles hard and pumped etc… Emotional and sexual issues all gone, I will report back after a couple more weeks. It is the HGH, HCG and DHT and testosterone propionate together.
UPDATE: took 12.5mg of Proviron today (half a pill) as I noticed huge symptom improvements at 12 hour mark yesterday (which is the half life of Proviron). It told me I would have these results at half the dose, in deed I did, even body scent is starting to return. Also very strange side effect, I am having multiple orgasms, not like I used to have consecutive orgasms. I am having multiple female orgasms!!! What the fuck!? Orgasms coming in waves throughout my abdomen exactly like a girl, over and over then super strong then ejaculation, i am not complaining, but what the fuck!?
I have been testing out the hardware before I take it for a real run, all seems to be operating properly, I wonder how these female orgasms will work during sex, very interesting, makes my abs sore! The orgasm like starts in my abs, it is really weird, but great! Anyway, still experimenting with the protocol, will keep updating, so far tweaking the protocol.
Why are you using GHRP2 versus Ipamorelin? Ipamorelin is effective without any increase in Prolactin
GHRP6 will increase hunger which is great if you are trying to gain muscle but might be counterproductive if you are trying to decrease body fat. Decrease in body fat will health limit estrogen production.
Supplementation of testosterone will decrease your own natural production and HCG will attempt to counteract shut down but may over time desensitize the Leydig cells - also, remember, it is a female hormone.
I’m on an HGH combo too with a slight amount of DHT provided by prohormones. I’m on CJC DAC with Ipamorelim and I will switch out the CJC with Samorelin and then back again to CJC – cycling different compounds I feel will be best so I can keep the doses low. This is working fairly well so far. You are absolutely right about getting more 5-alpha-reductase enzymes. That is my number one goal at this point. It is the key to rebalancing the whole body.
I don t think anything that justquitdut does, does not work.
Hcg
Hgh
Test
Proviron
Alphahard
Progesterone
And the wild card - asparagus.
Logic should tell you that this hectic abuse of endocrine disruptors is probably not the best way to restore balance. Just my opinion.
I don t think this 5ar deficiency theory has much weight. Plenty of us, myself included have healthy levels of dht and 5adiolg. Have you even tested these levels to corroborate your theory or are you just blindly shooting up with anything you think may help?
Justquitdut, u stated in one of your posts that those recovering are on hrt. Please link the appropriate threads. From my reading I see the majority who improve do so with time and clean living.
I also showed normal DHT levels, but I know that they are not, not consistently, you may have some 5AR production, I do, it reduces some test to DHT, with DHT suppressed by 70% it was considered normal on my tests (when on Finasteride). The problem is the 5AR enzyme in my opinion, that is why when I inject testosterone I feel good at first as my skin gets oily (only 5AR triggers sebum production, and the more oily my skin gets coincides with the improvement of my symptoms.
I can feel my body reducing test to DHT, I get a tight look as my body produces high levels of DHT, then when I run out of 5AR enzymes, my body starts amortizing the testosterone. This aromatization creates high levels of estrogen (which have shown in all PFS member's tests). This high level of estrogen creates estrogen dominance,
Estrogen is not pleasant and there are sexual and muscular functions of the 5AR enzymes. When I run out I get muscle spasms in my legs because 5AR is responsible for a neurosteroid that is an anti-convulsant, That is the cause of the muscle twitches. My oily skin stops when I run out, I start retaining water from the excess estrogen, I get bloated, Estrogen causes anxiety and panic. Anti-estrogens always helped me feel better, but too little estrogen is bad too.
Lower doses of hormones work on PFS sufferers because we have a limited amount of 5AR enzymes to reduce the test to DHT, that reduction process provides functions to the body. Those enzymes have jobs, when those jobs do not happen, things go wrong. My theory is the only one that explains how and why we respond to hormones. Lower doses work and PFS sufferers have tried it with success, HGH works, because HGH regulates 5AR activity, and that helps it.
If it were receptor desensitivity then higher doses of hormones would do something, or do nothing, but lower doses of hormones would definitely do NOTHING. We took a drug that blocked these enzymes, perhaps our system believes we were producing too much and something triggered or damaged. It seems to me the ones who recovered did androgen cycling type stuff like CDNUTS for example.Oh I forgot to add I am on HRT for life, I was before PFS, I had low test (probably from fin), it wasn’t that it made me normal, it turned me into a stallion, that was greatest feeling. When I have my hormones working right, I feel great. PFS took that away from me, I learned to get it back to an extent with managing protocols, but I am trying to find a way to get my body to respond to test normally again.It’s not that you need large doses of test, you need frequent doses as they induce 5AR release when injected. The amount of 5AR that is released is just low, and lower every time, my skin gets oily and more oily depending on how many are released and all effects coincide.
I am ordering those 2 peptides today to give them a shot
“All pfs sufferers have high estrogen”
No they don’t.
Please post evidence that you have low 5ar activity. I.e tests of 5ar metabolites. Without this you are being completely unscientific in all of your assumptions and opinions.
Also please post the links that you mention of those who are or have recovered using hrt. Cdnuts did not use a single pharmaceutical during his recovery.
PS. Just remember that your own testosterone production will never recover on its own, that is a secondary problem, if you wish to live with low test for the rest of your life that is your choice. Just remember that androgen deprivation causes problems, but I don’t know if you even have low test, you never said anything. Testosterone prevents diabetes and a whole range of conditions.
I just want to add with my current hormone protocol I have PFS in remission and have a normal libido, normal sexual function, normal muscles, everything normal. Body scent even coming back (mildly), I am working on a reliable protocol that is the same every day or every week so that I can share it with others here. I do believe these protocols help speed up recovery as I have been getting better every month I feel. Maybe it isn’t a cure, but a treatment is better than nothing, at least I can be in a sexual relationship if I choose. I say this because I really really was suffering without this treatment, and while many of you may not want to do it, I am normal again. I seem to be improving by the day as well, so some of you may want to find a way to live normally while you recovery or while we wait for a cure or treatment that may never come (or may very well be the kind of thing I am doing). So I want to offer to you guys this option and perspective.
UPDATE: I administered another high dose of HCG (1000mcg), the following day (today) I had reversal of PFS symptoms and rock hard orgasms, super strong libido. I have not taken DHT today as I may try inducing my own again after using it for about a week. I am going to try to use Nolvadex to control estrogen, I had success with DHT, but I don’t see how using it will help get my own 5AR back up.
CDNUTS did cycles with a DHT pro hormone, so perhaps cycling DHT is partially responsible. One thing that I have always said and will say, HCG has a positive effect on PFS, but I still have yet to figure out in what dose and how. I also started higher doses of HGH precursors again which always reverses PFS. I have been managing PFS by countering the hormonal changes, but now I will try to induce my own again after this HCG result.
Update: I have developed a stable protocol to “treat” PFS, as previous PFS sufferers reported that Proviron does not work, it does not in the way one expects. However, after time, you will start to notice your libido increasing, also, the most important thing Proviron does is regulate our out of control estrogen. I also have been reading that Proviron stimulates LH and FSH production, so it has restorative properties, some argue that it can be used in low doses as part of a PCT (but that is a debate). The 2 other important qualities I notice from Proviron are a sense of peace. It seems to make me feel grounded, it is like taking an antidepressant or a xanax, and until you do, you may not realize what havoc out of control estrogen reeks on your body and mind.
Anti-estrogens are useless, they only lower or kill estrogen (all estrogen), and unless you are a bodybuilder on tons and tons of shit, you will have negative results from anti-estrogens. What we need is regulation, that is the purpose of the hormone DHT, I have not realized any side effects from Proviron, no acne, nor hair loss. This has made me start to believe that hair loss and acne are caused not by the final product DHT, but by the precursor enzymes 5 AR 1 and 2. I mean, how would researchers know anyway? All men produce DHT from 5AR, so it is easy to believe DHT is the cause of the sides, but it is not.
I have noticed aggression, I tend towards anger easily, increased libido, and water retention gone when I take Proviron, I await the arrival of Andractim gel as I am eager to try that instead as the dose can be controlled. While we may not respond to DHT like normal guys, the replacing of the hormone provides relief from PFS symptoms, most of the worst symptoms are from estrogen dominance, and then there are the symptoms of low test for you guys not on hormones. I have a new respect for you guys doing this without hormones, you are strong guys, I could never deal with PFS without hormones.
I believe one can lead a normal life with the protocol I am on, most PFS sufferers would not need lots of test injections, mine are mostly out of vanity, wanting to maintain my muscle. Lower amounts of testosterone are sufficient, if you guys do nothing, take nothing, I recommend you try taking Proviron once a day for a couple weeks and add testosterone as well (at least once a week). No, you will not respond to testosterone normally, but you will feel better, a lot better. There is also the possibility that all these androgens may trigger the system back into action.
Either way, there is a point at which one must go on and enjoy life to the best of one’s ability, with this protocol, I have been able to have multiple orgasms throughout the day, function normally, feel normal. I could have a normal romantic relationship, when do we stop trying to heal and start trying to live? I also want to warn you guys against taking natural supplements, I took a natural PCT cycle and had horrible effects from it. I am DONE with natural shit, it is unpredictable and not studied, some of it may also have saw palmetto in it.
PFS hormone replacement therapy requires different protocols, but it is manageable, I am still perfecting my protocol and want to wait for Andractim before I post one, but I am down to a more reasonable protocol now.
I forgot to add that all muscle spasms have stopped since I started proviron, I do not know if that is due to me recovering more, or the dht in my system.