I am trying to stay away from the forum as much, but it is hard because I feel we are all in this together, I do know I post too much because I type really fast and think fast. So if I post, I will prob confine them to this thread here. I am trying only to post rarely and important stuff, I wanted to add that I incorporated Nolvadex into my protocol. I have read so many positive things about it, I got Tomoxifen (liquid version of Nolvadex) off ar-r.com, it is a selective estrogen receptor modulator. I have read one PFS recovery from HCG and Nolvadex.
I have started to notice more positive changes with this addition to my protocol, the fact that I am able to consistently feel normal and function and feel testosterone is amazing. There have been a couple times I almost crashed and reversed the crash both times with my protocol. As a last line of defense I use testosterone propionate, it never fails to boost everything on (and itās really fast too, like within hours). I ordered Alpha Hard as I have heard so much about it on here, it is certainly worth incorporating into my protocol.
I will report back how it goes, I got the Sorghum extract in, it is a syrup, I have to research it more before I try incorporating it. However, if it increases 5AR activity as I have read (by 55% or something) then it would be interesting, I got 3 pounds of it for like ($20 including shipping). I have been gaining muscle weight every week.
As for your question, this was from a post Mew made a while back, this is definitely worth exploring, if all else fails and my protocols fail, I definitely would give this a try. It was invented for use for people with 5AR deficiencies, but I suppose the lack of demand for a drug that does that has left it in research. The good news is you can order it, here is the link.
abcam.com/srd5a2-peptide-2-13-ab45681.html
It seems to be a synthetic 5 alpha reductase enzyme, I canāt imagine why it would not work, but I am currently having success triggering my own 5AR enzymes and regulating them. Tonight I was out with this girl, we are going on a trip to Universal studies for halloween horror and going to have sex. 5 alpha, many here do not take me seriously, but in real life I am very well respected and people take what I say seriously. I was at dinner with a doctor tonight (an MD) and professor of a medical program here, we were discussing PFS. She said that I knew more than most doctors, and she agreed with my theories.
If you plan to try that synthetic 5AR enzyme, let me know, but I hope you follow my protocol as it really has given me my life back. I am surprised you havenāt tried Nolvadex, it is not something that would be tested for in a drug test I donāt think, it is a breast cancer medication. With your high natural testosterone levels (if they are still good) you should be doing all you can to trigger 5AR enzymes. The DHEA worked for you as I predicted, but you need to get your 5AR regulation going with the HGH protocol. As I previously mentioned though, I do believe part of this has to do with how Sermorelin/GHRP2/GHRP6 works vs straight synthetic HGH. Sermorelin/GHRP2/GHRP6 activates and reawakens the pituitary gland, that may be turning other stuff back on too. While the HGH helps, there may be something unknown going on as well. That is why I incorporated Nolvadex, it is supposed to help HPTA reset, I am not sure what it will do, but triggering these systems so far has only gotten me better, not worse.
Sorghum extrat is going to be my next move. I want to add it in with my DHEA and protodiscin. Iām still constantly coming up with the best methods to cycle and use DHEA and protodiscin in an attempt to increase 5ar activity. The sorghum extract sounds like a perfect add on.
Where did you get your sorghum extract from?
That synthetic 5Ar is very interestingā¦ Sense it seems so experimental ill try that after hgh. But all these options that are now on your thread are awesome.
I am Iām in my cycle period of being off dhea, trib and aspargous. Will be going back on all 3 soon but this time with a dhea topical cream than goes into the blood as DHEA and not its weaker form that are liver turns it into.
The dhea does something TRT or clomid never did for me, helps labido, causes acne and makes me a lil pissed off. I love it. Canāt wait until I try the twist 25 dhea cream. It does however make me feel kinda of ācrashedā when I use it in high doses. Thatās the reason why I am cycling it on and off for 2 weeks at a time to save my health T levels by letting them climb back up just in case the DHEA and protodiscion are crashing my T levels.
As far as your nolvadaxā¦ Well hmmm there is a lot of thoughts that come to my mind.
Starting with body builders have had luck with it while using it as pct on their bitch tits Aka gyno.
I have heard when compared to clomid itās known to have " estrogen blocking capabilities" in the Brest tissue that clomid does not seem to have.
As far as it helping with PFS? I canāt say it would from my experience manā¦
I took clomid which is still the doc recommended choice of reawaking the P gland.
I was on for a while and other than increase my T and estrogen it did nothing for my PFS induced limp dick,wattery Sperm and muscle loss.
I donāt think a serm can have any benefits with PFS. The only thing I can see it doing is restoring your ability to produce your own T again by reawaking the p gland to produce LH.
We know testosterone is not the answre produced naturally or not. But thatās just my opinion on the SERM use for PFS.
I like my routine, execpically with planning on adding that sorghum stuff. Im giving it a fair shot before I go to HGh and or that syntactic 5 ar stuff. But one way or other this is my new planā¦ Keeping adding in stronger shit until it fixes me or kills me, both results I am happy with.
The alpha hard? What are your thought on this as far as how it compares to the androhard?
Now that we are on this subject I may as well post this link:
forum.bodybuilding.com/showthrea ā¦ =135455731
This link Talks about the active ingredient in androhard being something called super R dhea. Because of this I have always wondered if all the old androhard product was (Iām sure you already know androhard is what cd nuts contributed a lot of his recovery towards) just high dose DHEA delivered through their advanced topical cream. If This is correct than my twist 25 dhea cream is essential the same as the old androhard productā¦
Another good source that talks about whatās in androhard
nutraplanet.com/product/prim ā¦ tgels.html
Getting to the bottom of the best androhard replacement would put an end to one of the biggest questions on this forum.
Maybe it is alpha hard
Update, so I got the Sorghum extract, 3 pounds for $20, it tastes really sweet it is like a syrup, I was expecting it to taste like shit, but it tastes kinda like a honey. So not a bad thing! I have to research it more, but if it increases 5AR activity I will continue with it and see what happens.
I am starting to believe that constant stimulation of the 5AR system is what helps a PFS sufferer recover, that may be why I am doing better than most so quickly. I have been hitting my body hard and constantly with new protocols to induce 5AR activity.
I also ordered Alpha Hard, it is here today, I plan to start that too, see what happens, so far I have induced myself into better states of recovery followed by crashes and then I am better than I was before. I believe I am on the right track, but the only thing that has consistently worked is the HGH precursors, it will reverse a crash by inducing HGH from the pituitary.
I am optimistic about Alpha Hard while I am on testosterone, I will keep you guys updated, I need to research Sorghum more, has anyone seen anything about it and 5 alpha reductase? I have not been able to find anything.
When did you first notice you had PFS?
I crashed in may at the end of the month, since then I have been constantly trying all sorts of hormones and things, every time something fails I move to the next. I have been progressively getting better because of constant stimulation of my 5AR enzymic system.
I am of the view that ānatural,ā wonāt do shit, this requires hormones and pro hormones in my view and experience. I was on Finasteride for 13 years, in retrospect I believe I may have had PFS dormant for a long time and Avodart triggered it. I took Avodart for 1 week to cut down my over active oily skin, it worked for that and I have been fucked up since.
I managed to regain my physique with hormones and HGH precursor therapy, I have figured out how to manage this condition so that I can be relatively normal. It is taxing and a lot of work, I am currently working on ways to get my body to recover so that I no longer have to manage my compromised 5AR activity.
How long were you off the drug before the PFS started? How long did you have PFS before you started TRT?
suppversity.blogspot.com/2012/01 ā¦ e.html?m=1
That link is all I can find about sorghum on the Internet. This is this only bit of info that I have been able to find that says sorghum can increase 5Ar activity. Itās also the same link that the user posted in your thread like four or five pages back.
5 pounds for $20? Not bad. If you donāt mind telling me where did u get it from, Iām trying to purchase it off the internet. It seems like a completely harmless herb that can do nothing other than help.
My bad, I thought I posted it, for the record, hours after I had a table spoon of it my libido sky rocketed and my skin got oily, had effects if increase 5AR activity. Too soon to know if it is that or my current protocols, but I can tell when things improve being on HRT, I definitely recommend in your situation that you gives this a go, you canāt go wrong with the price. Plus it is supposed to have all kinds of health benefits, here is where I got it,
morebeer.com/products/sorghum-ex ā¦ ounds.html
It is sold to be used to make beer, I know nothing about beer or how to make it, but the shit does taste good!
UPDATE: My Alpha Hard has come in, I plan to start using it and see what I notice, I know that I am on a lot of stuff constantly, but I do believe this constant stimulation of the 5AR enzymes is helping my recovery. I am particularly interested in the DHT precursor activity of alpha hard. I am a lot better today than I was 5 months ago. I want to warn you guys considering androgen deprivation, that seems to be what PFS is, shutting down your hormones is not going to make things better, remember that this all started from repressing male hormones. The key is to keep the blood flowing, keep the androgens pumping, till the system triggers back into action. It is consistent with how the human body works, every thing works better when you work it out, the brain, the muscles, this I am sure is the same thing.
Fucking awesome!
Just Quit Dut -
You seem to be VERY active in these forumsā¦would you help the cause by telling your story (anonymously or not) on the PFS Podcast?
This is a fantastic idea, Iād love to hear it. Iām still new to this Jorbie but in a few months Iād like to participate too. I canāt donate much and Iām pretty sure I canāt partake in the studies due to previous ssri usage but I can do that much.
Alternative names
3 oxo 5 alpha steroid 4 dehydrogenase 2
3-oxo-5-alpha-steroid 4-dehydrogenase 2
5 alpha SR2
see allFunctionConverts testosterone (T) into 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) and progesterone or corticosterone into their corresponding 5-alpha-3-oxosteroids. It plays a central role in sexual differentiation and androgen physiology.
Tissue specificity: expressed in high levels in the prostate and many other androgen-sensitive tissues.
Justquitdut, I copied that directly from the link about your synsatic 5ar link. That last sentence interests me a lot about how 5ar is expressed in high levels in the prostate. I wonder if the ED, weak orgasms, watery semen symptoms of PFS are caused because there is no 5AR activity coming directly from are prostates anymore.
Man I know I sound like Iām out of my mind but how about an Injection of this 5ar directly in the prostateā¦ Sounds deadly and at the same time like a good idea
Yes Jorbie, I sure will help anyway I can, I was a high profile person, too many people know who I am, so I will have to stay anonymous, but I will be happy to help. I attribute much of my getting better to sharing of knowledge, I have learned a lot.
P.s. I was just reading a body builderās forum where they were theorizing using dht (alpha hard actually) as an anti estrogen, instead of using an AI, that would be a novel approach for PFS. I know Eden uses dht as an anti estrogen, but also replacement dht. Iām talking just a boost with one of those prohormones instead of an AI
I donāt think Enden uses DHT as an anti estrogen exactly, he uses armidex to control estrogen and has used tiny amounts of andractim to get the dht where it needs to be locally.
He warned not to use an AI and said DHT is better at controlling estrogen, it is on the first page of his post you sent me I believe, makes sense too by the way. DHT regulates estrogen and when someone asked Eden why he stated that, he said ābecause AIās have too many unwanted side effects,ā which is true.
I stand corrected! Nice job JQD, I knew youād enjoy his work.
iād like to order alpha hard and it seems like it varies largely in cost. is it ok to purchase from one of the lesser expensive online retailers?
I don't know, I ordered it from forerunners, I also ordered the following PCT protocol which terrified saved me time from looking up, he told me about CDNUTS' RES100 alternative, I added 2 recommended to it.
Here is the PCT I ordered
Res100 Liquid
TocoCaps
TransSynergy DAA
I have decided that I am going to minting my HGH precursor therapy full force as it is the only thing that has consistently helped and HGH heals everything, given time perhaps it will reverse the damage. I had massive and significant results from 1 day using Alpha Hard, it is potent stuff, I just am not educated that much on DHT therapy, also, I have been relatively successful inducing my own. I plan to start using this protocol soon though, I just haven't figured out when I will do it.
I will add that when I used the Alpha Hard while I had extreme boosts in everything, my erection strength was reduced, and my muscle spasms in my legs increased. I believe I know why this happened, when I induce my own 5AR enzymes my erection strength is rock hard, muscle spasms disappear, but substituting it is different, it will give the positive effects but perhaps on some levels suppresses something.
I don't want to scare you guys, remember that I have managed to get myself up and running to an extent with hormones, I don't see the point in shutting down my DHT production if I have managed to get it pumping to an extent. On the other hand, if my protocols ever fail and I get desperate I will fucking eat those pills like candy, because from what I have seen they are potent and work. I just am not as crazy as some here think, I have methods to my madness. I am currently working on restoring my own 5AR enzymic activity, stimulating it, using synthetic DHT is my next route if my protocol ultimately fails or is inconsistent.
I do not want to scare you guys from trying this, I fully believe this is the route to go, it's just that many of you have no 5AR activity and have been unable to stimulate it. I find approaching it from 2 directions for myself to be self defeating, one or the other, but I am going to carry these alpha hard pills around for a while. When I have symptoms of high estrogen and low DHT I am going to pop one and see how that works out.
If I had been unable to stimulate my own 5AR activity at all or enough I would then start pounding these pills, I believe the hormone is aldosterone, I may just buy the actual hormone and inject it. I see no point in having to stress my liver to manufacture it when I can probably just buy it online. The induced DHT experience from alpha hard was different from my own, hard to describe, it worked, but differently, none of you should not use it because of what I am saying. I am not sure if I ever mentioned that I have had extremely high 5AR activity, that was why I wen ton Avodart, to blunt it so I would stop breaking out on testosterone.
It may be that I had such OVER ACTIVE 5AR enzymes that I am able to induce them, I don't know, but my skin is extremely sensitive to 5AR enzymes, if some are released my skin gets oily, even in the smallest amounts. This has helped me to monitor what is working and what is not and when DHT is released or not. I have a trip planned with a girl, not sure what to do, today I masturbated about 4 or 5 times, I was very horny from my new protocol (a mixture of testosterone enanthate and testosterone propionate plus the HGH protocol). I have been masturbating a lot more to see how things are working as I have developed a form of PTSD from PFS. I am afraid at failing during sex, it has happened a couple times.
I am not sure if I mentioned that I have been dating a girl and also a guy, luckily I can switch to being the passive partner and get the same satisfaction as being the dominant partner. I am the dominant partner with the guy and obviously the girl, I have been considering ditching the guy for another who will be the dominant partner. I have stated before that PFS has turned on my gay side a lot more, when my hormones are in check I tend to go after women, when they get out of whack like this I tend to go for guys.
Historically with guys I was always the passive partner, so being dominant was a first for me anyway, I am used to it with women, I know this is very strange to you guys, but there are a lot of lurkers so I post everything to perhaps help others in my same boat. I am an attractive guy and it is frustrating because I am getting all these dates but I am so fucked up from PFS I am not sure what I am doing or where I am going. I know you guys mostly don't have the option of being a passive partner with a sexual partner lol, don't get me wrong, I love banging chicks, I am just saying, I get the same satisfaction if not more, it is a lot easier when someone else has to perform lol.
Google "pfs made me gay," lots of guys turned gay from finasteride or whatever, it didn't turn me gay but activates my bisexual side for sure. That may be what has confused me so much, one minute I am after girls and the next I am after guys. I am so tired of it, it is all due to these fluctuations in hormones, bisexuality is already completely not understood, so who knows what this does. So I am taking a girl to Orlando for Halloween Horror, we are supposed to have sex, now I am afraid thanks to PFS. I want to add that constantly coming to the forum reading other people's stories can be discouraging and fuck up your recovery, you should limit how much you read and believe. The placebo effect is so powerful, I was recovering before I started reading lots of posts from guys about doom and gloom. My body is getting more built and nicer and muscles are bigger and sex drive is up, but the erection strength freaked me out.
Also let me state for the record that too much DHT can also shut you down, I did take a whole day's dose in half a day, so we will see how the next 2 weeks go with my current HRT protocol designed at inducing my own 5AR activity. The HGH precursor therapy seems to be essential, so for anyone following my protocol, this is what it is. 0.8cc of testosterone enanthate once a week, and 4 days after the enanthate injection 0.3cc of testosterone propionate. Then of course the HGH precursor therapy, I may have found a way to stabilize my condition, we shall see. Oh yea, The Sorghum extract I am eating as well, I noticed improvements from it, so why not, it tastes good anyway, I put it in my coffee today as sweetener lol.